Kivaro wrote: » Out of curiosity, what is the source for this? There was a discussion recently about the self-declaration of Africans who claimed university degrees without verification e.g. it is very easy to state in an asylum application that you hold an undergraduate/graduate degree. Their high rates of unemployment in Ireland would not tend to corroborate it though. Obviously not talking about the highly educated Africans in Ireland whose education was verified e.g. doctors etc. I'm talking about the others, who represent the majority of them here.
Slowyourrole wrote: » If I showed you a load of videos of drunk Irish people in fights or would you consider those examples to be not representative of the majority of Irish people?
Yellow_Fern wrote: » Although Africans in Ireland are rather highly educated I suspect the quality is less than other groupings.
Deleted User wrote: » I don't, and I'm in my 40s. Unless you're going back into the 70s or 60s?
kildare lad wrote: » Well if that's the case, how come you don't see , Asian , polish or other eastern European, Chinese teenagers running amok all over Dublin , it's just blacks doing it . Can you answer me that?
Bobblehats wrote: » I remember there were no Irish gangs Modern black culture; or rap culture is the greatest rot our society will ever know. Sometimes it has become just so omnipresent that we don't even know
weldoninhio wrote: » Doesn't the coach have a duty of care to inform TUSLA??
Slowyourrole wrote: » But it's nothing to do with multiculturism. How is it importing gang culture when they are acting the same as the rest of the gangs In Ireland?
Sand wrote: » The best term I've heard to describe them is midwits. Just about enough intelligence (or at least education) to believe they're too smart and enlightened to accept common sense, but not intelligent enough to actually correctly interpret and understand concepts, ideas or events by themselves.
kildare lad wrote: » Probably studying or playing sport , parenting and culture has a lot to do with it .there's plenty of eastern Europeans on my son's team and they're constantly bringing their kids to training and matches every week . We've a black lad and I've never seen his dad in 4 years. We'd another black lad join the team when we were playing u9s. The coach used to pick him up and drop him home after the matches on a Sunday . After two or three weeks the coach noticed that the young lad had a key to the house and asked him where were his parents home . The kid replied that they go to one of these church groups and he does be left at home on his own . The child was only 8 . The coach stopped doing it then in case anything happened and young lad left the team .
Slowyourrole wrote: » That's because you apparently think you can prove a stereotype right simply by showing examples of a stereotype. Would you accept the stereotype that all Irish are violent drunks if I showed you a load of videos of drunk Irish people in fights or would you consider those examples to be not representative of the majority of Irish people? But it's nothing to do with multiculturism. How is it importing gang culture when they are acting the same as the rest of the gangs In Ireland?
dominatinMC wrote: » What I find most damning, whenever a link is posted here illustrating the behaviour of the "new irish", is the lack of commentary from the defence. They're very quick to dismiss other points of view on this thread with the usual buzzwords of "racist", "bigot", etc. but when actual tangible evidence is posted, they are nowhere to be found. The silence is deafening.
dominatinMC wrote: » Of course, people will be "upset" about the action of any gang, whether they are black, white, or yellow. But the whole basis for this thread is to debate the merits of multiculturalism, and when a symptom of multiculturalism is the importing of this kind of gang culture, it begs the question - why would anyone want it? Yes, we have our own problems, but why seek more by importing them from abroad?
Richard Hillman wrote: » Not that the London police have done much of a job on their gang problem but it would be worth the Gardaí picking their brains on what they think they should have done early doors when the Gang problem was just beginning. This London gang culture needs to be cracked down on now. Its the only shot we have at it. These people are already starting to have children, so if they get on it now, it won't have to be a generational problem.
weldoninhio wrote: » So where are the Asian teen gangs? The polish teen gangs?? Etc
TomTomTim wrote: » Everything is a far right conspiracy until it's affirmatively been proven to be true. It wouldn't bother me so much is there was a pattern of learning along they way, but there isn't. They keep going around in a loop of denial, being wrong again and again. What annoys me most is that they do it with all of the arrogance in the world. Arrogance is never a nice trait, but it's more understandable when just, these types though, have not earned one bit of their arrogance.
Clarence Boddiker wrote: » Just a couple of weeks ago the media were telling us that the idea of gangs causing trouble in Balbriggan was a 'far right conspiracy theory'
Deleted User wrote: » There is a secondary problem...
Deleted User wrote: » Well, if you look at...
weldoninhio wrote: » Castlemills Shopping Centre in Balbriggan got another dose of “diversity” the other night. Cars smashed up as the diverse had running battles with each other. Videos all over Facebook. I’ve no idea how to put a FB video up here.
Slowyourrole wrote: » I wasn't trying to be subtle. I'm pointing out your hypocrisy and bias.
Slowyourrole wrote: » So you agree racism exists? Thanks for proving my point. And that's why I find your position so insincere. If it really was a cost benefit thing, then you'd be equally, or at least almost equally, as against refugees. But you aren't. So it comes down to who you feel is more deserving. And that's perfectly fine. But don't go pretending it's about the benefit to the country unless you are going to be consistent about that. I wasn't trying to be subtle. I'm pointing out your hypocrisy and bias. Did someone argue there were no gangs in Balbriggan? I thought the main argument was that there are, and the gangs made up mostly of black people differ from other gangs in their skin colour only. So why are people so much more upset about them?
[Deleted User] wrote: » Well, if you look at African American culture in the US they've combined aspects of African culture (what they perceive as being African anyway), with western behaviors, ultimately creating a different culture from both. Sure, there's the influence of the hiphop fashions (I don't mean clothes) but there's more to it. The same can be seen with young migrants throughout Europe who draw upon their ethnic culture in parts creating a fusion alongside aspects of European cultures. The best example, for me, would be France, since you can easily see African migrants (not Algerians, but plenty others) who have adopted the common ways in which people express themselves. At the core, though, they've retained the values/perceptions of their ethnic group, or religion. In a globalised world, we're going to see more of that because the internet/social media is an enabler of this kind of exploration of cultures, especially once we factor in the revisionism that happens about history. As for the gangs, it's mostly issues with socio-economic concerns. England had problems with gangs long before migration became an issue, with the gangs usually coming from the extreme poor or poorly educated. The fact is that many migrant groups end up in the west as the poorest members of society, needing to work very long hours, and their children aren't monitored. The same happens with many working class families. TBH we're experiencing a crisis with parenting both due to lack of education (parents aren't taught to be good parents), but also due to the rising costs of society which mean that parents are often unavailable to be parents. Traditionally, the community or grandparents would step in to manage children, but community spirit has been dying for decades now, and in many cases, people are living far from the grandparents, so there's little support available. We, as a society, really need to look at the society that we are creating. Not for the migrants, but also for ourselves. Hard questions need to be asked, and a serious appraisal of the future consequences of these changes, whether they're happening intentionally, or "naturally". We need to be sure that this is the society we want to introduce migrants into, because, from my POV, we're setting ourselves up for a world of pain later.
iebamm2580 wrote: » Exactly proves my point that if you work hard you can get a job, skin colour is not a determining factor, glad we agree. Unless you can post facts that a person did not get a job because of skin colour, cso figures dont count as they merely say who is unemployed not why. BTW where did i say racism doesn't exist- please show me as some of ye woke people love putting words in peoples mouths to create the outrage in them crazy minds.
Wibbs wrote: » Pretty much. As I said earlier: Mostly the feel good factor, with a higher chance(when compared to illegal/quasi legal economic migrants) of extra skillsets that you would have with legal migration. So no, all things being equal they're not of great benefit overall, but are of more benefit and less risk of the usual multicultural nonsense than illegal economic migrants.
Deleted User wrote: » You're as subtle as a brick and incapable of understanding nuance. Which is why you take things out of context...
Clarence Boddiker wrote: » The papers must be lying about the stabbing and the video must be faked because according to some on here, there are no gangs in Balbriggan.
kildare lad wrote: » Good to see balbriggan embracing multiculturalism and it's great to see the African teenagers bring such a vibrancy to the town . I'm sure the locals are loving ithttps://www.facebook.com/518620081515968/posts/3697676820276929/
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