murphthesmurf wrote: » After 2 weeks I'm still gobsmacked that you found Triggernometry to be "righting nut job grifters". It's kept me awake at night! They just interviewed a rape victim, it was nothing radical.
statesaver wrote: » You often hear KK blocking right wing nut job grifters from the chat.
Various Artists wrote: » Can someone explain to me how importing people from countries like Somalia and Afghanistan and planting them countries like Sweden is a good idea? How exactly are these migrants going to intergrate?
Arthur Daley wrote: » Spot on. It's all about the money to be made from it.
kildare lad wrote: » Good to see balbriggan embracing multiculturalism and it's great to see the African teenagers bring such a vibrancy to the town . I'm sure the locals are loving ithttps://www.facebook.com/518620081515968/posts/3697676820276929/
Clarence Boddiker wrote: » The papers must be lying about the stabbing and the video must be faked because according to some on here, there are no gangs in Balbriggan.
kildare lad wrote: » There's something seriously wrong with calibre of refugee we let into this country . It just goes to show you, if you let in a load of spongers/bums that's the end result . And the lefties think that these future doctors and engineers are gonna be paying our pensions in the future . Pull the other leg. They'll end up like a burden on the state like they're parents are now.
[Deleted User] wrote: » There is a secondary problem, apart from what you raised. Even when a migrant comes in, works hard, stays out of trouble, etc, there are generally problems with their children when they reach teenage years. There is the problem of being connected to two very different cultures. On the one hand, they've grown up in a very free environment in the west, with a good standard of education and lifestyle (even as a working class, their lifestyles would be better than most third world nations). However, they also have links to their original culture in the home, and perhaps also trips back to their parents home nation, visiting relatives. This tends to create a crisis in many migrant teens as the differences between the two cultures become more apparent. Due to the nature of western culture, there is a definite focus on the individual and there's a lot of pressure on the individual to find their own place in society. Now, that's difficult enough for western teens, who only have one culture to deal with, but the issues are compounded when there are two cultures to draw upon. Which is why we've seen a rise in conflict over the last few decades by the children of migrants who often turn to more extreme behavior that might be associated with their parents culture. (Islam, ISIS and terrorism, are all aspects of this, but there are others too). One of the other issues is that many third world countries have very different values than western nations, concerning a work ethic, or the perception of age and responsibility. Should the teen being drawing upon their ethnic culture, that can also come into conflict with western lifestyles, where typically, a more dedicated work ethic is needed for success. When we look at migration and the issues connected to it, we need to look beyond the migrants themselves and consider their offspring. Personally, I suspect there needs to be greater allocation of resources in education, and counselling to provide migrant children with the ability to firmly be integrated into our society. If they've come over here as children, then those resources will be needed more. If they were born/raised here, then likely they won't need more resources, but that entirely depends on how they were raised in the home, and the values of their parents. We really need to be researching and collating information about migrants and their children, so that we can fully understand what's going on. The EU does a reasonably good job of this but the Irish State really needs to do more, if we want to avoid the problems of other countries (irrespective of whether migration is lessened or controlled, we already have a sizable number of migrants here who won't be leaving... we need to be able to deal with their problems before it explodes into something worse)
kildare lad wrote: » I tend to think their kids are more influenced by American / British street gang culture rather than African culture. Theres something seriously wrong with either culture or parenting if you've gangs of them running amok with knives and bats . How many of their parents do you reckon own the houses that they live in , in balbriggan ?
Bobblehats wrote: » It’s quite surreal listening to most of the videos they make you’d think we were under siege from african english, yet they were born here does this not ring alarm bells?! ..it’s incredibly antagonistic people go on about where has it worked; etc. but the sheer incompatibility that is transpiring here is unparalleled I’d recommend a government initiative to swiftly terminate the possibility of any more immigration from these countries work with what we’ve got and maybe nip it in the bud before it spreads. Some form of damage control somehow stall the inevitable and work, with those that remain. Some sort of incentive to not replicate? ..to not reproduce, the glaring errors that have been made. This isn’t any old can being kicked down the road it’s an incredibly incendiary, explosive canister the damage from which; and frankly the fallout we will struggle to contain.
ExMachina1000 wrote: » Also a video doing the rounds of a small group of black teens kicking a white teen around the footpath then forcing him to take a photo with his attackers. Caption of the photo: Irish drilla crew
kildare lad wrote: » Imagine the outrage if it was a group of whites kicking a black teen around . Posters on here like tell me why , would be out marching and screaming about Ireland's full of racists .
kildare lad wrote: » There's something seriously wrong with calibre of refugee we let into this country
[Deleted User] wrote: » Well, if you look at African American culture in the US they've combined aspects of African culture (what they perceive as being African anyway), with western behaviors, ultimately creating a different culture from both. Sure, there's the influence of the hiphop fashions (I don't mean clothes) but there's more to it. The same can be seen with young migrants throughout Europe who draw upon their ethnic culture in parts creating a fusion alongside aspects of European cultures. The best example, for me, would be France, since you can easily see African migrants (not Algerians, but plenty others) who have adopted the common ways in which people express themselves. At the core, though, they've retained the values/perceptions of their ethnic group, or religion. In a globalised world, we're going to see more of that because the internet/social media is an enabler of this kind of exploration of cultures, especially once we factor in the revisionism that happens about history. As for the gangs, it's mostly issues with socio-economic concerns. England had problems with gangs long before migration became an issue, with the gangs usually coming from the extreme poor or poorly educated. The fact is that many migrant groups end up in the west as the poorest members of society, needing to work very long hours, and their children aren't monitored. The same happens with many working class families. TBH we're experiencing a crisis with parenting both due to lack of education (parents aren't taught to be good parents), but also due to the rising costs of society which mean that parents are often unavailable to be parents. Traditionally, the community or grandparents would step in to manage children, but community spirit has been dying for decades now, and in many cases, people are living far from the grandparents, so there's little support available. We, as a society, really need to look at the society that we are creating. Not for the migrants, but also for ourselves. Hard questions need to be asked, and a serious appraisal of the future consequences of these changes, whether they're happening intentionally, or "naturally". We need to be sure that this is the society we want to introduce migrants into, because, from my POV, we're setting ourselves up for a world of pain later.
ExMachina1000 wrote: » Young lads armed with baseball bats and knives running around attacking other similar groups on the street is 100% on their own shoulders. It's not societies fault. I wouldn't be giving such an easy out . Personal responsibility
iebamm2580 wrote: » Exactly proves my point that if you work hard you can get a job, skin colour is not a determining factor, glad we agree. Unless you can post facts that a person did not get a job because of skin colour, cso figures dont count as they merely say who is unemployed not why. BTW where did i say racism doesn't exist- please show me as some of ye woke people love putting words in peoples mouths to create the outrage in them crazy minds.
Wibbs wrote: » Pretty much. As I said earlier: Mostly the feel good factor, with a higher chance(when compared to illegal/quasi legal economic migrants) of extra skillsets that you would have with legal migration. So no, all things being equal they're not of great benefit overall, but are of more benefit and less risk of the usual multicultural nonsense than illegal economic migrants.
Deleted User wrote: » You're as subtle as a brick and incapable of understanding nuance. Which is why you take things out of context...
Slowyourrole wrote: » So you agree racism exists? Thanks for proving my point. And that's why I find your position so insincere. If it really was a cost benefit thing, then you'd be equally, or at least almost equally, as against refugees. But you aren't. So it comes down to who you feel is more deserving. And that's perfectly fine. But don't go pretending it's about the benefit to the country unless you are going to be consistent about that. I wasn't trying to be subtle. I'm pointing out your hypocrisy and bias. Did someone argue there were no gangs in Balbriggan? I thought the main argument was that there are, and the gangs made up mostly of black people differ from other gangs in their skin colour only. So why are people so much more upset about them?
Slowyourrole wrote: » I wasn't trying to be subtle. I'm pointing out your hypocrisy and bias.
weldoninhio wrote: » Castlemills Shopping Centre in Balbriggan got another dose of “diversity” the other night. Cars smashed up as the diverse had running battles with each other. Videos all over Facebook. I’ve no idea how to put a FB video up here.
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