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Sinn Fein Omerta

Pintman Paddy Losty

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-and-law/sinn-f%C3%A9in-witness-consulted-party-over-aaron-brady-case-before-speaking-to-garda%C3%AD-1.4332502

Very strange case here. A witness in a murder trial of a member of AGS refused to speak to police without first checking with the powers that be in Sinn Fein.

That's not normal behaviour for a political party. That's how criminal organisations like the Mafia operate.

Anyone else think this is disgraceful carry on?

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FrancieBrady

McMurphy wrote: »

I'll just leave this here.

https://www.newstalk.com/news/john-perry-high-court-sligo-leitrim-selection-convention-ballot-625043

Anyone remember Haughey's election agent...caught redhanded and nicknamed 'John Connolly John Connolly' ever after by the wags of the day.

Niallof9

FrancieBrady wrote: »

I think you need to read that article again.

you clearly haven't read it yourself

FrancieBrady

Niallof9 wrote: »

you clearly haven't read it yourself

What did I miss?

Poster seemed to be under the impression that the SF rep was unsure of something.

JohnnyFlash

Paul Quinn was beaten to death because he got into a dispute with the son of a local ‘good republican’. A ‘good republican’ associated with Slab Murphy. Everyone knows the name of this fellow. A complete psychopath.

3 of the young lads who were involved in beating Quinn to death have subsequently committed suicide.

The silence in the community over this shows the stranglehold the hard men and good republicans have over the area.

Patrick2010

FrancieBrady wrote: »

IMC report

http://www.justice.ie/en/JELR/18th%20REPORT%20FROM%20THE%20INDEPENDENT%20MONITORING%20COMMISSION%20(IMC).doc/Files/18th%20REPORT%20FROM%20THE%20INDEPENDENT%20MONITORING%20COMMISSION%20(IMC).doc

From the report...

A number of people were involved in the incident although they did not all necessarily play a part in the actual killing. Amongst those involved were people who had in various ways been associated with the PIRA at a local level, including as members of the organisation. Some of these people were accustomed over a substantial period of time to exercising considerable local influence, collectively and individually. This would have led such people to expect what they would consider as appropriate respect from others and to being able to undertake their activities – including criminal ones – without interference; they would find it very difficult to accept any waning in this influence and respect;

rdwight

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Anyone remember Haughey's election agent...caught redhanded and nicknamed 'John Connolly John Connolly' ever after by the wags of the day.

That'd be "Pat O'Connor, Pat O'Connor"

FrancieBrady

rdwight wrote: »

That'd be "Pat O'Connor, Pat O'Connor"

Correct...not enough coffee on board.

FrancieBrady

Patrick2010 wrote: »

From the report...

A number of people were involved in the incident although they did not all necessarily play a part in the actual killing. Amongst those involved were people who had in various ways been associated with the PIRA at a local level, including as members of the organisation. Some of these people were accustomed over a substantial period of time to exercising considerable local influence, collectively and individually. This would have led such people to expect what they would consider as appropriate respect from others and to being able to undertake their activities – including criminal ones – without interference; they would find it very difficult to accept any waning in this influence and respect;

...and?

We know that some thugs and crims attached themselves to the various paramilitary groups.

'illegal activity'...exactly the type of activity that will bring you into contact and under the control of these people as I said on another thread. 99% of the rest of the population get on with their lives normally.

onh81

Truthvader wrote: »

Just arrived here to find the same Sinn Fein /IRA crew frantically throwing out the usual vague hints of corruption at anyone who would question their right to murder. The only people who "dont trust the Guards" are criminals who quite rightly anticipate that the Guards might interfere with their career. Sinn Fein/IRA as an organisation steeped in crime and thuggery obviously "dont trust" the Guards. The sordid truth is that the witness was concerned that the murder might have been "authorised" or at least carried out by "good republicans" so he needed to check whether it was safe for him to assist the Guards. Because the murder of a Guard might just be "understandable" or "regrettable" . And you dont want to incur the anger of "the local community" and end up like Paul Quinn for getting it wrong

Posters like you are so detached from reality it’s fücking unreal. People from Republican areas still distrust police shocker. Why wouldn’t they? It’s not beyond the realms of possibility that maybe the individual didn’t feel comfortable going to the police? When the police choose to have a wee photo-shoot outside Crossmaglen barracks with their SMGs it very much undermines people’s faith in them.

Of course don’t let that get in the way of your Shinner-bashing, continue to blissfully ignore why an ex investigating officer felt the need to divulge this information. Ignore the fact SF support policing North and South and the cherry on top, bring up Paul Quinn, someone who if still alive would no doubt be running about in the same crowd as Aaron Brady

grayzer75

JohnnyFlash wrote: »

Paul Quinn was beaten to death because he got into a dispute with the son of a local ‘good republican’. A ‘good republican’ associated with Slab Murphy. Everyone knows the name of this fellow. A complete psychopath.

3 of the young lads who were involved in beating Quinn to death have subsequently committed suicide.

The silence in the community over this shows the stranglehold the hard men and good republicans have over the area.

It all started with him losing a load of diesel near Belfast and he certainly didn't deserve what happened to him but it suits the FFG narrative to tarnish the local community and the elected representatives within it. FFG didn't give too f**ks about Paul Quinn until the recent election and no doubt his ma will be rolled out at the next one.

Truthvader

onh81 wrote: »

Posters like you are so detached from reality it’s fücking unreal. People from Republican areas still distrust police shocker. Why wouldn’t they? It’s not beyond the realms of possibility that maybe the individual didn’t feel comfortable going to the police? When the police choose to have a wee photo-shoot outside Crossmaglen barracks with their SMGs it very much undermines people’s faith in them.

Of course don’t let that get in the way of your Shinner-bashing, continue to blissfully ignore why an ex investigating officer felt the need to divulge this information. Ignore the fact SF support policing North and South and the cherry on top, bring up Paul Quinn, someone who if still alive would no doubt be running about in the same crowd as Aaron Brady

Well done.Even ressurecting the old Sinn Fein /IRA lie that Paul Quinn was a criminal (officially Sinn Fein apologise for this smear but ss evidenced here in reality they continue to peddle it) For those not on othet threads Francie knows well what the IMC , the Guards, the PSNI, and governments on both dides of the border have said about Paul Quinn as i posted links to all on other threads. So dont waste time; he will relentlessly promote the Sinn Fein IRA agenda (and to be fair I will relentlessly call them out as criminals chancers and fools

FrancieBrady

grayzer75 wrote: »

It all started with him losing a load of diesel near Belfast and he certainly didn't deserve what happened to him but it suits the FFG narrative to tarnish the local community and the elected representatives within it. FFG didn't give too f**ks about Paul Quinn until the recent election and no doubt his ma will be rolled out at the next one.

'omerta' 'overlords' 'communities living in fear' etc...as soon as you hear these lazy tropes be aware that the person pandering to the trope, whether they be a politician, journalist or poster here, has a certain agenda.

JohnnyFlash

grayzer75 wrote: »

It all started with him losing a load of diesel near Belfast and he certainly didn't deserve what happened to him but it suits the FFG narrative to tarnish the local community and the elected representatives within it. FFG didn't give too f**ks about Paul Quinn until the recent election and no doubt his ma will be rolled out at the next one.

Ya, a young lad having every bone in his body below his neck broken and having a spike driven through his face is just a common occurrence, and it’s the fault of the ‘establishment parties’ for making an issue of it. Better if they said nothing. He did lose a couple of thousand quids worth of laundered diesel.

FrancieBrady

Truthvader wrote: »

Well done.Even ressurecting the old Sinn Fein /IRA lie that Paul Quinn was a criminal (officially Sinn Fein apologise for this smear but ss evidenced here in reality they continue to peddle it) For those not on othet threads Francie knows well what the IMC , the Guards, the PSNI, and governments on both dides of the border have said about Paul Quinn as i posted links to all on other threads. So dont waste time; he will relentlessly promote the Sinn Fein IRA agenda (and to be fair I will relentlessly call them out as criminals chancers and fools

Yes, I do know what the IMC said, I posted it above.

FrancieBrady

JohnnyFlash wrote: »

Ya, a young lad having every bone in his body below his neck broken and having a spike driven through his face is just a common occurrence, and it’s the fault of the ‘establishment parties’ for making an issue of it. Better if they said nothing. He did lose a couple of thousand quids worth of laundered diesel.

I suppose now you will say their is a humane way to kill someone?

It was a savage and abhorrent unjustified killing whatsoever was the reason. Any killing is.

[Deleted User]

grayzer75 wrote: »

It all started with him losing a load of diesel near Belfast and he certainly didn't deserve what happened to him but it suits the FFG narrative to tarnish the local community and the elected representatives within it. FFG didn't give too f**ks about Paul Quinn until the recent election and no doubt his ma will be rolled out at the next one.

Who did the diesel belong to? Was it a friend of Paul Murphy MLA?

grayzer75

JohnnyFlash wrote: »

Ya, a young lad having every bone in his body below his neck broken and having a spike driven through his face is just a common occurrence, and it’s the fault of the ‘establishment parties’ for making an issue of it. Better if they said nothing. He did lose a couple of thousand quids worth of laundered diesel.

Who said it was a common occurrence? Who said it was the fault of 'established parties'?

There was no mention of Paul Quinn from FFG six months before the election because they couldn't give a 5hite about the lad. They politicised his parents grief to suit their own agenda in the run up to an election and not because they care for the Quinn family. Since the election, how many FFG politicians have been calling for action on the Quinn case - none.

What happened to the young lad was absolutely disgusting and can't be justified by anybody. These gangs are all about money and control and nothing about republican or socialist values. They are crime gangs end of story.

grayzer75

jh79 wrote: »

Who did the diesel belong to? Was it a friend of Paul Murphy MLA?

It belonged to the gang he was working for and they could well be Murphy's mates.

John Hutton

So it turns out that the guy in question was not even a member of SF

Pkiernan

I wonder if Francie Brady could sit down with Paul Quinn parents and repeat his posts to their faces.

gormdubhgorm

Pintman Paddy Losty wrote: »

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-and-law/sinn-f%C3%A9in-witness-consulted-party-over-aaron-brady-case-before-speaking-to-garda%C3%AD-1.4332502

Very strange case here. A witness in a murder trial of a member of AGS refused to speak to police without first checking with the powers that be in Sinn Fein.

That's not normal behaviour for a political party. That's how criminal organisations like the Mafia operate.

Anyone else think this is disgraceful carry on?

SF are proud of this carry when comes down to it they view it as a continuation of 'the struggle'. Until they stop that sort of stuff middle ground will never vote for them in ROI and other parties will not go into government with them. Counter productive and shooting themselves in the foot imo.

Mad_maxx

JohnnyFlash wrote: »

Paul Quinn was beaten to death because he got into a dispute with the son of a local ‘good republican’. A ‘good republican’ associated with Slab Murphy. Everyone knows the name of this fellow. A complete psychopath.

3 of the young lads who were involved in beating Quinn to death have subsequently committed suicide.

The silence in the community over this shows the stranglehold the hard men and good republicans have over the area.

" committed suicide "

Voluntarily one wonders?

FrancieBrady

Pkiernan wrote: »

I wonder if Francie Brady could sit down with Paul Quinn parents and repeat his posts to their faces.

What have I said about Paul Quinn that others haven't?

Patrick2010

FrancieBrady wrote: »

What have I said about Paul Quinn that others haven't?

That wasn't the question

FrancieBrady

Patrick2010 wrote: »

That wasn't the question

It's a weird question.

I'd have no interest in adding to their pain, if that is what is meant.

[Deleted User]

grayzer75 wrote: »

It belonged to the gang he was working for and they could well be Murphy's mates.

And do you think it's appropriate for such a person to be friends with an MLA and attend SF functions?

blanch152

Truthvader wrote: »

Well done.Even ressurecting the old Sinn Fein /IRA lie that Paul Quinn was a criminal (officially Sinn Fein apologise for this smear but ss evidenced here in reality they continue to peddle it) For those not on othet threads Francie knows well what the IMC , the Guards, the PSNI, and governments on both dides of the border have said about Paul Quinn as i posted links to all on other threads. So dont waste time; he will relentlessly promote the Sinn Fein IRA agenda (and to be fair I will relentlessly call them out as criminals chancers and fools

It is a disgrace that posters are allowed repeat the smears and slurs about Paul Quinn when the party they profess to support has apologised for them.

It is disgusting and despicable, gutter-sniping of the worst kind.

blanch152

Pkiernan wrote: »

I wonder if Francie Brady could sit down with Paul Quinn parents and repeat his posts to their faces.

Not a chance.

McMurphy

Pkiernan wrote: »

I wonder if Francie Brady could sit down with Paul Quinn parents and repeat his posts to their faces.

What posts would you envisage might be hard to repeat to their faces might I ask?

I don't think copying and pasting, and linking to reports would be anything anyone wouldn't want to stand over?

The bigger question for me would be if any of the lads from FFG that unashamedly used his parents for political gains during the election, which ultimately failed anyway have been in touch with them since the election, and if not, would they be comfortable explaining why not, to their faces.

Truthvader

FrancieBrady wrote: »

It's a weird question.

I'd have no interest in adding to their pain, if that is what is meant.[/QUOTE

The difficulty is that for Sinn Fein IRA if they did have an interest in adding to their pain it wouldn't cost them a second thought. Quite happy with their 30 years of sub human savagery as long as they had an "interest" in it. Your fellow travellers are on here trying to re-run the "Paul Quinn was a criminal" lie - even though the official Sinn Fein position is to apologise for that lie. Still whatever works....