FrancieBrady wrote: » Where are you getting that from? If the TD was Adams, this tallies exactly with what SF said happened.
jh79 wrote: » Problem is Francie we don't know what could of happened if Brady was better connected. It's not that long since the SF omerta around the McCartney murder.
jh79 wrote: » Problem is Francie we don't know what could of happened if Brady was better connected.
FrancieBrady wrote: » Forgive me...I ain't going into a round of 'What if...'
IAMAMORON wrote: » Ceasefire is now 23 years old and the GFA signed in 1998. People have been in and out of prison for murder in the meantime? This is an excuse for citizens not contacting the Gards or PSNI as a result of bearing witness to a crime? Where actually are Sinn Féin on crime across the 32 counties at this point? What comes first, human rights or a united Ireland? Where are Sinn Féin on this one question?
Ceasefire is now 23 years old and the GFA signed in 1998
FrancieBrady wrote: » We must run a competition sometime that compares silly/mis-informed/illegal/ actions of party members and try and pin it on the party in general. .
blanch152 wrote: » And isn't that just the problem? Can you imagine any other political party where the Gardai have to contact the party leader to seek assistance in getting a member to testify? Or even another political party where the Gardai would think that was useful? It is completely extraordinary that it happened, and shows how unfit Sinn Fein are for government.
StupidLikeAFox wrote: » This guy felt the need to get permission from Gerry Adams to give a statement to the gardai. Fair enough, Gerry gave the go ahead to cooperate, but the whole process raises questions. It is an insight into how the party and its supporters operate with regard to the rule of law. On the face of it, Gerry Adams/Sinn Fein had the power to stop that person giving evidence. They gave the go ahead to cooperate in this instance but they really shouldn't have that power in the first place
Augme wrote: » It really highlights how awful FF/G are when Sinn Fein are viewed as the best alternative. Maybe if they didn't consistently make such a mess of things so often this wouldn'tt be the case.
IAMAMORON wrote: » It really makes you cringe when you see them looking for reform of the Special Criminal Court in one breath and then standing plain face in Dáil Eireann throwing mud at honest politicians trying to run the country. The worst is that people are voting for these scumbags as a viable alternative, voters are lapping up their tripe, scary enough.
blanch152 wrote: » Nobody is disputing your claim that they went to Adams and Adams gave them permission to talk to the Gardai. Normal people are just horrified that that is the culture of Sinn Fein. I mean, who knows how many times Adams refused permission.
smurgen wrote: » Normal people voted on mass for SF in the last election and will do so again.
Pkiernan wrote: » The North Korean leader enjoys huge voter support too!
Hodors Appletart wrote: » I mean this suggests that some of SF vote is manipulated or illegal - this is so off the wall to bring up.
rdwight wrote: » Potential witness doesn't feel confident (safe?) giving evidence without SF say-so. SF councillor doesn't feel confident giving say-so without reference to "head office" (West Belfast?) And in today's paper a SF TD is quoted as saying "it was his understanding members of Sinn Fein do not need with more senior members before providing information to Gardai". Presumably meaning he's not sure if that's the case.https://www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/sinn-f%C3%A9in-associate-spoke-to-gerry-adams-before-giving-evidence-in-brady-case-1.4333166 And Francie et al say there's nothing to see here?
FrancieBrady wrote: » I think you need to read that article again.
Allinall wrote: » "Vote early and vote often" was the SF mantra to it's supporters.
Truthvader wrote: » Just arrived here to find the same Sinn Fein /IRA crew frantically throwing out the usual vague hints of corruption at anyone who would question their right to murder. The only people who "dont trust the Guards" are criminals who quite rightly anticipate that the Guards might interfere with their career. Sinn Fein/IRA as an organisation steeped in crime and thuggery obviously "dont trust" the Guards. The sordid truth is that the witness was concerned that the murder might have been "authorised" or at least carried out by "good republicans" so he needed to check whether it was safe for him to assist the Guards. Because the murder of a Guard might just be "understandable" or "regrettable" . And you dont want to incur the anger of "the local community" and end up like Paul Quinn for getting it wrong
blanch152 wrote: » Not really, anyone who follows elections closely knows that the electoral register in the South is a complete mess, with no control over eligibility. Anyone who answers the door to a Sinn Fein canvasser knows that a significant proportion of them are from outside the jurisdiction.
FrancieBrady wrote: » Apart from the completely unbacked up theory that the witness was doing the bolded bit, you have now come out with the bizarre accusation that the local community killed Paul Quinn in anger? The Gardai know who killed him, the PSNI know and the IMC and they all say and agree he was killed by criminal elements in an incident that had 'no little connection to criminality'.
FrancieBrady wrote: » Apart from the completely unbacked up theory that the witness was doing the bolded bit, you have now come out with the bizarre accusation that the local community killed Paul Quinn in anger?The Gardai know who killed him, the PSNI know and the IMC and they all say and agree he was killed by criminal elements in an incident that had 'no little connection to criminality'.
Patrick2010 wrote: » Link to anyone of the three saying that it was due to a criminal fallout and not a republican punishment beating that saw Paul Quinn having every bone in his body broken?
- We think that the attack on Paul Quinn was planned and carried out by local people and that it arose from local disputes. Whatever the immediate reason for the killing certain aspects of these disputes go back some time and were not unconnected with continuing illegal activity;
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