smurgen wrote: » Normal people voted on mass for SF in the last election and will do so again.
blanch152 wrote: » Nobody is disputing your claim that they went to Adams and Adams gave them permission to talk to the Gardai. Normal people are just horrified that that is the culture of Sinn Fein. I mean, who knows how many times Adams refused permission.
FrancieBrady wrote: » Where are you getting that from? If the TD was Adams, this tallies exactly with what SF said happened.
IAMAMORON wrote: » It really makes you cringe when you see them looking for reform of the Special Criminal Court in one breath and then standing plain face in Dáil Eireann throwing mud at honest politicians trying to run the country. The worst is that people are voting for these scumbags as a viable alternative, voters are lapping up their tripe, scary enough.
Augme wrote: » It really highlights how awful FF/G are when Sinn Fein are viewed as the best alternative. Maybe if they didn't consistently make such a mess of things so often this wouldn'tt be the case.
StupidLikeAFox wrote: » This guy felt the need to get permission from Gerry Adams to give a statement to the gardai. Fair enough, Gerry gave the go ahead to cooperate, but the whole process raises questions. It is an insight into how the party and its supporters operate with regard to the rule of law. On the face of it, Gerry Adams/Sinn Fein had the power to stop that person giving evidence. They gave the go ahead to cooperate in this instance but they really shouldn't have that power in the first place
blanch152 wrote: » And isn't that just the problem? Can you imagine any other political party where the Gardai have to contact the party leader to seek assistance in getting a member to testify? Or even another political party where the Gardai would think that was useful? It is completely extraordinary that it happened, and shows how unfit Sinn Fein are for government.
FrancieBrady wrote: » We must run a competition sometime that compares silly/mis-informed/illegal/ actions of party members and try and pin it on the party in general. .
IAMAMORON wrote: » Ceasefire is now 23 years old and the GFA signed in 1998. People have been in and out of prison for murder in the meantime? This is an excuse for citizens not contacting the Gards or PSNI as a result of bearing witness to a crime? Where actually are Sinn Féin on crime across the 32 counties at this point? What comes first, human rights or a united Ireland? Where are Sinn Féin on this one question?
Ceasefire is now 23 years old and the GFA signed in 1998
FrancieBrady wrote: » Forgive me...I ain't going into a round of 'What if...'
jh79 wrote: » Problem is Francie we don't know what could of happened if Brady was better connected.
jh79 wrote: » Problem is Francie we don't know what could of happened if Brady was better connected. It's not that long since the SF omerta around the McCartney murder.
FrancieBrady wrote: » The other guy's sanction was obviously not enough for the member to talk. Now was a sanction neccessary or was the member deluded? The other guy immediately, without seeking sanction informed the Gardai...see where this is going?
jh79 wrote: » The detective didn't ask for help from Gerry. The witness and the councillor went to head office for permission and Gerry personally gave that permission.
The investigator made contact with Antóin Watters, who said that this would 'have to come from head office' according to Mr Marry. He then contacted a Sinn Fein TD, who he did not name, and was told that the party "would do anything" to help the guards
FrancieBrady wrote: » Which confirms what SF said, the TD was obviously Adams.
jh79 wrote: » Not only did the witness think he needed permission so did the other guy.
FrancieBrady wrote: » SF said that was what happened today. Nobody to my knowledge has contradicted it.
jh79 wrote: » The retired senior detective told the Irish Independent: "He wasn't sure about making a statement at all. I talked him around that it was the right thing to do. "He said he was a Sinn Féin member and that he had to get sanction," Mr Marry said. The investigator made contact with Antóin Watters, who said that this would 'have to come from head office' according to Mr Marry. He then contacted a Sinn Fein TD, who he did not name, and was told that the party "would do anything" to help the guards. The TD informed Pat Marry that the witness "is one of us" and that they "got word to him to make a statement and cooperate".
jh79 wrote: » It's a theory based on past occurrences. Also where are you getting the idea that the detective asked for help rather than the witness asking for permission from Adams?
FrancieBrady wrote: » And a link to how you know the last bit? I will remind you here that my theory is that many people do not trust the Gardai or PSNI and sometimes that will be individuals within the force known for bias and with agendas. That is how it is and it is a fairly routine post conflict/war phenomime that takes time to disappear. I also said if a DI came to Adams and asked for help and got it that that was a fairly seismic event and should be loudly applauded. You either want your political reps to build trust or you don't.
FrancieBrady wrote: » And a link to how you know the last bit? I will remind you here that my theory is that many people do not trust the Gardai or PSNI and sometimes that will be individuals within the force known for bias and with agendas.That is how it is and it is a fairly routine post conflict/war phenomime that takes time to disappear. I also said if a DI came to Adams and asked for help and got it that that was a fairly seismic event and should be loudly applauded. You either want your political reps to build trust or you don't.
jh79 wrote: » Go back to my first post on this, i said they did nothing wrong in this case but that it highlighted a culture among SF that they protect their own and hence why the guy felt the need to get permission in case "Good Republicans" were involved.
Pintman Paddy Losty wrote: » https://www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-and-law/sinn-f%C3%A9in-witness-consulted-party-over-aaron-brady-case-before-speaking-to-garda%C3%AD-1.4332502 Very strange case here. A witness in a murder trial of a member of AGS refused to speak to police without first checking with the powers that be in Sinn Fein. That's not normal behaviour for a political party. That's how criminal organisations like the Mafia operate. Anyone else think this is disgraceful carry on?
FrancieBrady wrote: » Firstly he didn't have evidence on the murder, his evidence related to hearing the defendant say he murdered Garda Donohue. And you still haven't pointed out what SF did wrong here?
jh79 wrote: » But we do have "omerta" from SF the night McCartney was murdered by the IRA and now a member looking for permission to give evidence for a murder. Throw in the guy who testified against "Good Republican" Slab who ended up getting a spike through the face and the witness who changed his mind in the trial for the murder of Garda McCabe. Bit of a pattern here Francie.
FrancieBrady wrote: » But we know Gerry said no such thing in this case. Why would he do it in a fuel launderng one? A decent prolonged series of roadblocks would shut down fuel laundering unless they figure a way to move it in 5 gallon drums...or a series of stings on those buying it and having it dellivered...but nothing like that ever happens.
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