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Is it just me or have SF vanished?

Pkiernan

I haven't seen or heard anything from Mary Lou, Slab Murphy and other good Republicans in ages.

What's going on?

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maccored

Truthvader wrote: »

The government that had turned around a dead economy run by the IMF to one of full employment ? Can only imagine where we would be if Dessie Ellis, Slab and Gerry were running things through their yapping puppet ,Mary Lou, and the thickos she surrounds herself with

full employment?

Approximately 23% of Ireland’s full-time workforce is on what is categorised as low pay, or earning less than two thirds of median earnings, according to 2017 figures.

https://www.thejournal.ie/workers-in-ireland-on-low-pay-4764896-Aug2019/

jm08

Truthvader wrote: »

Open to other suggestions however as you are certainly correct that it is a very real problem

I would be described as a floating voter who has voted for all party candidates over the years (but will never again give a FF candidate a vote) and in the last election, I gave my first every vote to the Sinn Fein candidate (it was 2nd preference vote) for the following reasons.

1. Performance of Mary Lou. I think she was excellent when on public accounts committee and she is well able to take Leo down a peg or two which can be often required.
2. FF/FG policy on housing. It is just is not working. I think a radical approach is required, and I think Eoin O Broin's actually knows something about it.
3. FF/FG will never stand up to vested interests (like Property developers, banks, insurance etc). Pearse Doherty was excellent on exposing what was going on in the insurance industry.
4. Health. Poor management and over spending on Children's Hospital Cervical Smear Scandal. Someone needs to take the vested interests on in the HSE.

Fine Gael were in for long enough, as far as I'm concerned, FF are just not trustworthy anymore and I am glad that Sinn Fein are in a good positition now to be an effective opposition because we haven't had that for the last couple of years really.

Truthvader

FrancieBrady wrote: »

The incumbent government was so incompetent it was time to turf them out?

The government that had turned around a dead economy run by the IMF to one of full employment ? Can only imagine where we would be if Dessie Ellis, Slab and Gerry were running things through their yapping puppet ,Mary Lou, and the thickos she surrounds herself with

FrancieBrady

Truthvader wrote: »

Open to other suggestions however

The incumbent government was so incompetent it was time to turf them out?

Squidvicious

nigeldaniel wrote: »

looking for a buz is my take on some Sf voters.

The above is obviously a huge simplification but there is a grain of truth in it. SF is a classic anti establishment party, down South at least. Young people hear older voters saying that they'd never vote for Sinn Fein. So perhaps a little part of the attraction in voting SF is good old youth rebellion?

nigeldaniel

looking for a buz is my take on some Sf voters.

Truthvader

hatrickpatrick wrote: »

Leaving aside the veracity of the story, does the fact that so many young people are willing to overlook issues such as this and vote for SF anyway not give right leaning folks any pause for thought about just how f*cked people feel by the status quo? What I find amazing is how the media in Ireland and the "I'm alright Jack" class will point to all of these allegations against SF, see how it fails to dent their support among young Irish people, and not stop and think about why people might be willing to overlook a party being steeped in so much controversy about its past paramilitary connections, and vote for them anyway based on policy concerns.

Like, how does anyone look at this and not say "If people are willing to overlook news stories like this just so they can vote for a party which claims to have a desire to destroy the status quo, we have really, really failed this entire demographic of people that they feel so desperate as to be willing to do this"?

That's the part I always fail to understand. You all believe every allegation made against Sinn Fein, or at least believe that such allegations should rule a party out of being in power. Yet large, vast swathes of at least 2-3 generations of young Irish people are willing to overlook these controversies and vote for them anyway.

How is it that anyone can avoid the logical next conclusion, which is "maybe our policies and our attitude has genuinely harmed these people and their prospects to such a great extent that they're desperate and willing to try anything to get us out of power"? How do you avoid coming to that conclusion, when you can see with your own eyes that so many people are willing to vote for a party which in your eyes is so unpalatable? If you believe SF to be unpalatable, and you don't deny that young people have been voting for them in their droves, then how can you not also question whether maybe, just maybe, we have a legitimate point to make about the current status quo being utterly unbearable for us?

This is actually a very good point. At the time of the last election we had more or less full employment and the economy was so vibrant that hundreds of thousands of Eastern Europeans and South Americans flocked here to get a piece of the action. So it is a bit of a mystery why 25% of the population should turn to a group of criminals chancers and morons. Perhaps an ongoing sense of reckless entitlement coupled with a moral bankruptcy which allows huge amounts of people to vote for any perceived personal advantage no matter how unlikely or corrupted the source.

Open to other suggestions however as you are certainly correct that it is a very real problem

Truthvader

OK I generally dont "debate" with the Sinn Fein/ IRA crew here but I think in this instance they genuinely dont know what they have done wrong. So...

They have created a twisted criminalised sub society in which when a Guard is murdererd a witness has to pause and "see where he stands". Is the murder "authorised" ? Are the murderers "connected"? He then has to check with Gerry Adams whether it is OK to assist the investigation and then wait for Gerry to decide whether this particular murder is actually wrong or whether it is merely "regrettable" or "understandable". A sick parallel society. The ludicrous Sinn Fein economic policy is only a secondary issue as far as I am concerned; the corruption of normal society and creation of a criminalised one in its stead being a far bigger issue. Everybody happy?

FrancieBrady

Superfoods wrote: »

How come the witness said he needed to go to Sinn Fein and then weeks later came in to talk. So why did it take weeks for Sinn Fein to give the green light?

How would I know...I am only going on what is reported.

Superfoods

FrancieBrady wrote: »

I'll ask again.

What did SF do wrong here?

How come the witness said he needed to go to Sinn Fein and then weeks later came in to talk. So why did it take weeks for Sinn Fein to give the green light?

Bishop of hope

I see Michelle in the news today holding up pension payments for needy people.
The Judge is not too impressed with her and claims, she is holding up the rule of law.
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-northern-ireland-53813371

smurgen

blanch152 wrote: »

Nope, I didn't call the supporters the lowest of the low, I called the party the lowest of the low.

You can't dehumanise something that isn't human.

Parties aren't made up of people? What are they made out of? Fiberglass?

FrancieBrady

jh79 wrote: »

Biggest threat to a UI at this pace is global warming!

You would say that...of course.

Bishop of hope

jh79 wrote: »

Biggest threat to a UI at this pace is global warming!

Yes, and Michelle is pretty hot is she not:D:D
And Arlene, well she's on fire!

[Deleted User]

FrancieBrady wrote: »

But you and I know they won't be. The two parts are drawing inexorably together as they transparently work the agreement they said they would work.

Biggest threat to a UI at this pace is global warming!

FrancieBrady

jh79 wrote: »

I didn't say that! That was Blanch.

I'm more than happy for SF to be partitionist for another 100 years. At least you're not voting for Republican SF!

But you and I know they won't be. The two parts are drawing inexorably together as they transparently work the agreement they said they would work.

Bishop of hope

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Stop, you are dehumanising me!

You go ahead and knock yourself out on that one jh79...as an old Etonian might say...'one doesn't care really, old chap'.

So you're a partionist Mr Brady?
You deny it but jh is convinced you are, is he right or are you really not a partionist.
Someone called you one, you must be one surely.
I mean everyone you call one must be one too surely?

[Deleted User]

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Stop, you are dehumanising me!

You go ahead and knock yourself out on that one jh79...as an old Etonian might say...'one doesn't care really, old chap'.

I didn't say that! That was Blanch.

I'm more than happy for SF to be partitionist for another 100 years. At least you're not voting for Republican SF!

FrancieBrady

jh79 wrote: »

She definitely should attend as a public representative. It is her duty but whatever way you spin it, her and her party are partitionists and you by extension by voting for them.

Stop, you are dehumanising me!

You go ahead and knock yourself out on that one jh79...as an old Etonian might say...'one doesn't care really, old chap'.

[Deleted User]

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Is that a taunt? Would you rather she didn't attend? What is the problem with it exactly?
Should she be ashamed of herself with these Eton types? Is that what you are implying?

So many questions as you reveal yourself.

She definitely should attend as a public representative. It is her duty but whatever way you spin it, her and her party are partitionists and you by extension by voting for them.

FrancieBrady

jh79 wrote: »

Must google who attends alright, must be some sight to see her in middle of the Eton types waiting for her orders!

Is that a taunt? Would you rather she didn't attend? What is the problem with it exactly?
Should she be ashamed of herself with these Eton types? Is that what you are implying?

So many questions as you reveal yourself.

[Deleted User]

FrancieBrady wrote: »

No idea jh79, Google is as much your friend as it is mine

Must google who attends alright, must be some sight to see her in middle of the Eton types waiting for her orders!

FrancieBrady

jh79 wrote: »

It's a silly term to throw out for someone who votes SF.

How's MON getting on at the COBRA meetings with the British Army? Is she and Kelly still under threat from the dissidents for attending the PSNI conference not too long ago and encouraging Nationalists to join , you know, a 6 county police force!

No idea jh79, Google is as much your friend as it is mine

[Deleted User]

FrancieBrady wrote: »

You'll be starting a PLM movement next.
Get out a dictionary, perfectly sound and acceptable term for a certain outlook.

It's a silly term to throw out for someone who votes SF.

How's MON getting on at the COBRA meetings with the British Army? Is she and Kelly still under threat from the dissidents for attending the PSNI conference not too long ago and encouraging Nationalists to join , you know, a 6 county police force!

blanch152

smurgen wrote: »

You cry about dehumanising in one post and call supporters of a political party the lowest of the low in the next?

Nope, I didn't call the supporters the lowest of the low, I called the party the lowest of the low.

You can't dehumanise something that isn't human.

smurgen

blanch152 wrote: »

Doesn't wash with me. Sinn Fein are the lowest of the low. The fact that people consider them the best alternative to FF/FG/Greens when there are decent politicians in the Labour Party and the Social Democrats says more about the people who vote for Sinn Fein than about the LP and the SDs or FF, FG and the Greens.

You cry about dehumanising in one post and call supporters of a political party the lowest of the low in the next?

FrancieBrady

blanch152 wrote: »

The labelling of others (e.g. the use of partitionist to disparage some posters) is a disgraceful attempt to dehumanise people you disagree with.

You'll be starting a PLM movement next.

Get out a dictionary, perfectly sound and acceptable term for a certain outlook.

blanch152

hatrickpatrick wrote: »

Leaving aside the veracity of the story, does the fact that so many young people are willing to overlook issues such as this and vote for SF anyway not give right leaning folks any pause for thought about just how f*cked people feel by the status quo? What I find amazing is how the media in Ireland and the "I'm alright Jack" class will point to all of these allegations against SF, see how it fails to dent their support among young Irish people, and not stop and think about why people might be willing to overlook a party being steeped in so much controversy about its past paramilitary connections, and vote for them anyway based on policy concerns.

Like, how does anyone look at this and not say "If people are willing to overlook news stories like this just so they can vote for a party which claims to have a desire to destroy the status quo, we have really, really failed this entire demographic of people that they feel so desperate as to be willing to do this"?

That's the part I always fail to understand. You all believe every allegation made against Sinn Fein, or at least believe that such allegations should rule a party out of being in power. Yet large, vast swathes of at least 2-3 generations of young Irish people are willing to overlook these controversies and vote for them anyway.

How is it that anyone can avoid the logical next conclusion, which is "maybe our policies and our attitude has genuinely harmed these people and their prospects to such a great extent that they're desperate and willing to try anything to get us out of power"? How do you avoid coming to that conclusion, when you can see with your own eyes that so many people are willing to vote for a party which in your eyes is so unpalatable? If you believe SF to be unpalatable, and you don't deny that young people have been voting for them in their droves, then how can you not also question whether maybe, just maybe, we have a legitimate point to make about the current status quo being utterly unbearable for us?

Doesn't wash with me. Sinn Fein are the lowest of the low. The fact that people consider them the best alternative to FF/FG/Greens when there are decent politicians in the Labour Party and the Social Democrats says more about the people who vote for Sinn Fein than about the LP and the SDs or FF, FG and the Greens.

blanch152

FrancieBrady wrote: »

'Rat cunning'...that's a fairly exceptional attempt to dehumanise somebody who is willing to debate with you.

What did SF do wrong here?
Can you answer the question asked here?

Firstly, the poster wasn't referring to you, he was referring to whoever is running the Sinn Fein online supporters from Parnell Square.

Secondly, if he was labelling people, I would agree with you. The labelling of others (e.g. the use of partitionist to disparage some posters) is a disgraceful attempt to dehumanise people you disagree with.

christy c

smurgen wrote: »

You think that's stupid? FFG are now sacrificing our economy and health for meat barons.

https://twitter.com/TodayRadioRTE/status/1292753013279514625?s=19

Does that make SF any less stupid?