Sinn Fein Omerta

Niner leprauchan wrote: »

Again, that's not what happened though is it?

Even if it was, your only making sf look bad by claiming it.

Here is what we know according to what has been said by various sources.
The Irish Times
Gardai got a 'break in the case' when contacted by a SF rep with details of a witness.

From SF:
A Detective Inspector asked for Adams help as party leader to convince the witness to give evidence.

The witness gave evidence.

The evidence wasn't used.

McMurphy

Niner leprauchan wrote: »

The monk has no criminal convictions and was tax compliant. Kinda like Gerry and the boys

Kinda unlike a few from within FG though, including, TDs and Minister's, right the way up to former finance minister.

Bowie wrote: »

Would you rather buy, rent/lease privately to use as social housing or build social housing? Which is the better deal for the tax payer?

Depends on the situation. Given the impossibility of building 100,000 houses in a single night, there has to be a mix of provision from a practical point of view.

Unless you live in a utopian world where people work 24/7/365 for nothing, there is little practical alternatives to the way the current government is doing things.

The silly idea put up here every few weeks of diverting all existing money spent on housing to building social housing has been repeatedly shown to end up leaving thousands more homeless in the short term.

McMurphy

blanch152 wrote: »

Depends on the situation. Given the impossibility of building 100,000 houses in a single night, there has to be a mix of provision from a practical point of view.

Unless you live in a utopian world where people work 24/7/365 for nothing, there is little practical alternatives to the way the current government is doing things.

The silly idea put up here every few weeks of diverting all existing money spent on housing to building social housing has been repeatedly shown to end up leaving thousands more homeless in the short term.

Or 160hr weeks that you know TDs and Minister's put in, regularly. We need more builders like these buckos.

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Here is what we know according to what has been said by various sources.
The Irish Times
Gardai got a 'break in the case' when contacted by a SF rep with details of a witness.

From SF:
A Detective Inspector asked for Adams help as party leader to convince the witness to give evidence.

The witness gave evidence.

The evidence wasn't used.

And isn't that just the problem? Can you imagine any other political party where the Gardai have to contact the party leader to seek assistance in getting a member to testify? Or even another political party where the Gardai would think that was useful?

It is completely extraordinary that it happened, and shows how unfit Sinn Fein are for government.

It’s so funny seeing the usual suspects getting a reel in their head trying to spin this, and trying to make it a positive. Huge levels of whataboutery, and deflection as well.

Must be extremely tiring constantly having to defend the actions and strange occurrences of Sinn Fein. No wonder there’s so much anger on display.

blanch152 wrote: »

And isn't that just the problem? Can you imagine any other political party where the Gardai have to contact the party leader to seek assistance in getting a member to testify? Or even another political party where the Gardai would think that was useful?

It is completely extraordinary that it happened, and shows how unfit Sinn Fein are for government.

So if a member of these other parties you refer to, do something stupid/illegal then that means the party in general are unfit for government. Interesting.

Bowie wrote: »

The Mafia never tell their members to talk to the police. Also he was a witness against Brady.
You'll find many senior or long time political party affiliates will touch base with HQ before possibly involving the party name in something or even looking for legal advice.
I certainly don't find it disgraceful.
Even well to do students go to the school principle before the police.

The Times reporting like its a thing is merely another hatchet job.

Interesting that you compare the relationship of a Sinn Fein member to the Sinn Fein leadership with that of a student to a school principal.

FrancieBrady wrote: »

So if a member of these other parties you refer to, do something stupid/illegal then that means the party in general are unfit for government. Interesting.

Complete misrepresentation and distortion of my post, not for the first time.

Answer the questions and stop the obfuscation, misdirection and whataboutery. Here they are again......

Can you imagine any other political party where the Gardai have to contact the party leader to seek assistance in getting a member to testify? Or even another political party where the Gardai would think that was useful?

blanch152 wrote: »

Interesting that you compare the relationship of a Sinn Fein member to the Sinn Fein leadership with that of a student to a school principal.

It was an absolutely ridiculous comparison Bowie was trying to make. Bizarre really.

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Has to be asked, is it right that a senior Gardai can release information like this.

It's the fault of the Gardai, yeah.

blanch152 wrote: »

Complete misrepresentation and distortion of my post, not for the first time.

Answer the questions and stop the obfuscation, misdirection and whataboutery. Here they are again......

Can you imagine any other political party where the Gardai have to contact the party leader to seek assistance in getting a member to testify? Or even another political party where the Gardai would think that was useful?

Of course I could. Why wouldn't they if the witness thought it had something to do with FG or FF or the Greens etc?
That would be sound policework imo.
What is not sound policework though is leaking info to the media in the middle of an ongoing investigation.
Any comment on that or any idea what the purpose of it was, given SF seem to have done the correct thing from the get go.

James Brown

Niner leprauchan wrote: »

The monk has no criminal convictions and was tax compliant. Kinda like Gerry and the boys

Unlike Fine Gael

...and here

and here...

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Of course I could. Why wouldn't they if the witness thought it had something to do with FG or FF or the Greens etc?
That would be sound policework imo.
What is not sound policework though is leaking info to the media in the middle of an ongoing investigation.
Any comment on that or any idea what the purpose of it was, given SF seem to have done the correct thing from the get go.

Oh, so you are saying that the Gardai and/or the witness had reason to believe that the killing of Adrian Donohoe had something to do with Sinn Fein. That makes more sense all right that the witness would go to the Sinn Fein leadership all right.

Unfortunately, it only strengthens the argument that Sinn Fein are unfit for government given that even its own members would believe that the killing of a Garda would have somethig to do with the party.

Bowie wrote: »

Unlike Fine Gael

Desperate situation requires desperate post. Seriously, that is the response?

blanch152 wrote: »

Oh, so you are saying that the Gardai and/or the witness had reason to believe that the killing of Adrian Donohoe had something to do with Sinn Fein. That makes more sense all right that the witness would go to the Sinn Fein leadership all right.

Unfortunately, it only strengthens the argument that Sinn Fein are unfit for government given that even its own members would believe that the killing of a Garda would have somethig to do with the party.

:D:D I can hear the stretching from here.

The witness thought his being a SF member was a problem...that is all we know about the nature of that.
Even if he thought as people have been inferring from day one on here that SF had something to do with it, SF did the right thing...the councillor informed the Gardai of the witnesses existence thus (according to the Irish Times) giving Gardai their break in the case. And Adams responded to the Garda's request for help with the witness and he gave evidence.

is there anything else here other than the usual faux outrage and insinuation?

James Brown

blanch152 wrote: »

Depends on the situation. Given the impossibility of building 100,000 houses in a single night, there has to be a mix of provision from a practical point of view.

Unless you live in a utopian world where people work 24/7/365 for nothing, there is little practical alternatives to the way the current government is doing things.

The silly idea put up here every few weeks of diverting all existing money spent on housing to building social housing has been repeatedly shown to end up leaving thousands more homeless in the short term.

Yeah that didn't really fly before, now several years on it's just in bad taste to keep up the lies. It's always short term need if you never plan long term. But then that's another falsehood. There is no intention of building at any point over leasing/buying...despite...

Revealed: State spends €1.2bn on housing even though building is cheaper

No tax monies for pals in the form of buying, renting, leasing, if we build our own.

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FrancieBrady wrote: »

What is not sound policework though is leaking info to the media in the middle of an ongoing investigation.
Any comment on that or any idea what the purpose of it was, given SF seem to have done the correct thing from the get go.

How would this info affect the ongoing case? Also the why is pretty obvious. You honestly can't think of any reasons why a Guard wouldn't be a fan of SF?

James Brown

blanch152 wrote: »

Desperate situation requires desperate post. Seriously, that is the response?

It was regarding tax compliance and criminal convictions. What, you want me to raise something from the troubles?

jh79 wrote: »

How would this info affect the ongoing case? Also the why is pretty obvious. You honestly can't think of any reasons why a Guard wouldn't be a fan of SF?

Would you trust the Gardai with your info after that? This garda has completely undermined any confidentiality you might expect if you go to them with sensitive information.

FrancieBrady wrote: »

:D:D I can hear the stretching from here.

The witness thought his being a SF member was a problem...that is all we know about the nature of that.
Even if he thought as people have been inferring from day one on here that SF had something to do with it, SF did the right thing...the councillor informed the Gardai of the witnesses existence thus (according to the Irish Times) giving Gardai their break in the case. And Adams responded to the Garda's request for help with the witness and he gave evidence.

is there anything else here other than the usual faux outrage and insinuation?

Again, all perfectly understandable from the perspective that Sinn Fein are unfit for government because of their dodgy relationship with the IRA and with criminal elements.

blanch152 wrote: »

Now that was good for a laugh. That is the most bizarre interpretation I have read to date, but well done for the imaginative defence of Sinn Fein.

If that was the case, he would have asked the Gardai if that was an issue for them, not Sinn Fein.

Guards needed a conviction, most judges are members of FG , if the witness had been a member of the BNP or the KKK you'd be flying but the mere mention of SF would have jeopardized the trial.

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FrancieBrady wrote: »

Would you trust the Gardai with your info after that? This garda has completely undermined any confidentiality you might expect if you go to them with sensitive information.

What confidential info relevant to the case or person has been revealed?

Has anyone worked out why this dude felt he had to run it by Gerry Adams first before he went to the Gardaí?

Like if a FG member had vital information on the murder of a police officer then he wouldn’t have to ask Leo for advice and the nod of approval before going to the police.

What a deeply unpleasant and shady party SF are. Things like this and the Bobby Storey funeral allow society to see that behind the thin facade of respectability lie a party who hates the Irish state, all it stands for, and takes its instructions from sociopaths and serial killers from Belfast.

Yuck.

Niner leprauchan wrote: »

The monk has no criminal convictions and was tax compliant. Kinda like Gerry and the boys

Gerry has a record from memory, can't be arsed looking it up, but your confirmation that FG are beholden to the Monk is much appreciated

blanch152 wrote: »

Again, all perfectly understandable from the perspective that Sinn Fein are unfit for government because of their dodgy relationship with the IRA and with criminal elements.

Where is the IRA involvement here?

Have you completely jumped the shark? If the IRA were involved then why have the Gardai not informed the government of that. They have duties under the GFA if the IRA are still operational.

Are you insinuating the Gardai are covering up an IRA crime here? What are you saying?

JohnnyFlash wrote: »

Has anyone worked out why this dude felt he had to run it by Gerry Adams first before he went to the Gardaí?

Like if a FG member had vital information on the murder of a police officer then he wouldn’t have to ask Leo for advice and the nod of approval before going to the police.

What a deeply unpleasant and shady party SF are. Things like this and the Bobby Storey funeral allow society to see that behind the thin facade of respectability lie a party who hates the Irish state, all it stands for, and takes its instructions from sociopaths and serial killers from Belfast.

Yuck.

SF councillor brought the witness to the guard's in the first place, my only reading would be to check that this guard could be trusted, would imagine there rivalry in the diesel laundering industry and every guard has a side line.

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Where is the IRA involvement here?

Have you completely jumped the shark? If the IRA were involved then why have the Gardai not informed the government of that. They have duties under the GFA if the IRA are still operational.

Are you insinuating the Gardai are covering up an IRA crime here? What are you saying?

Yawn, you know full well what I am saying. The mere fact that a member felt the need to go to the party leadership before talking to the Gardai tells the story of a state within a state. Not a good look at all.

Bowie's comparison of a schoolchild seeking advice from the school principal before going to the police is an apt one, and shows the control that Sinn Fein have over its members.

RandomViewer wrote: »

SF councillor brought the witness to the guard's in the first place, my only reading would be to check that this guard could be trusted, would imagine there rivalry in the diesel laundering industry and every guard has a side line.

LOL!