Sinn Fein Omerta

blanch152 wrote: »

Complete misrepresentation and distortion of my post, not for the first time.

Answer the questions and stop the obfuscation, misdirection and whataboutery. Here they are again......

Can you imagine any other political party where the Gardai have to contact the party leader to seek assistance in getting a member to testify? Or even another political party where the Gardai would think that was useful?

Of course I could. Why wouldn't they if the witness thought it had something to do with FG or FF or the Greens etc?
That would be sound policework imo.
What is not sound policework though is leaking info to the media in the middle of an ongoing investigation.
Any comment on that or any idea what the purpose of it was, given SF seem to have done the correct thing from the get go.

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Has to be asked, is it right that a senior Gardai can release information like this.

It's the fault of the Gardai, yeah.

JohnnyFlash

blanch152 wrote: »

Interesting that you compare the relationship of a Sinn Fein member to the Sinn Fein leadership with that of a student to a school principal.

It was an absolutely ridiculous comparison Bowie was trying to make. Bizarre really.

FrancieBrady wrote: »

So if a member of these other parties you refer to, do something stupid/illegal then that means the party in general are unfit for government. Interesting.

Complete misrepresentation and distortion of my post, not for the first time.

Answer the questions and stop the obfuscation, misdirection and whataboutery. Here they are again......

Can you imagine any other political party where the Gardai have to contact the party leader to seek assistance in getting a member to testify? Or even another political party where the Gardai would think that was useful?

Bowie wrote: »

The Mafia never tell their members to talk to the police. Also he was a witness against Brady.
You'll find many senior or long time political party affiliates will touch base with HQ before possibly involving the party name in something or even looking for legal advice.
I certainly don't find it disgraceful.
Even well to do students go to the school principle before the police.

The Times reporting like its a thing is merely another hatchet job.

Interesting that you compare the relationship of a Sinn Fein member to the Sinn Fein leadership with that of a student to a school principal.

blanch152 wrote: »

And isn't that just the problem? Can you imagine any other political party where the Gardai have to contact the party leader to seek assistance in getting a member to testify? Or even another political party where the Gardai would think that was useful?

It is completely extraordinary that it happened, and shows how unfit Sinn Fein are for government.

So if a member of these other parties you refer to, do something stupid/illegal then that means the party in general are unfit for government. Interesting.

JohnnyFlash

It’s so funny seeing the usual suspects getting a reel in their head trying to spin this, and trying to make it a positive. Huge levels of whataboutery, and deflection as well.

Must be extremely tiring constantly having to defend the actions and strange occurrences of Sinn Fein. No wonder there’s so much anger on display.

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Here is what we know according to what has been said by various sources.
The Irish Times
Gardai got a 'break in the case' when contacted by a SF rep with details of a witness.

From SF:
A Detective Inspector asked for Adams help as party leader to convince the witness to give evidence.

The witness gave evidence.

The evidence wasn't used.

And isn't that just the problem? Can you imagine any other political party where the Gardai have to contact the party leader to seek assistance in getting a member to testify? Or even another political party where the Gardai would think that was useful?

It is completely extraordinary that it happened, and shows how unfit Sinn Fein are for government.

McMurphy

blanch152 wrote: »

Depends on the situation. Given the impossibility of building 100,000 houses in a single night, there has to be a mix of provision from a practical point of view.

Unless you live in a utopian world where people work 24/7/365 for nothing, there is little practical alternatives to the way the current government is doing things.

The silly idea put up here every few weeks of diverting all existing money spent on housing to building social housing has been repeatedly shown to end up leaving thousands more homeless in the short term.

Or 160hr weeks that you know TDs and Minister's put in, regularly. We need more builders like these buckos.

Bowie wrote: »

Would you rather buy, rent/lease privately to use as social housing or build social housing? Which is the better deal for the tax payer?

Depends on the situation. Given the impossibility of building 100,000 houses in a single night, there has to be a mix of provision from a practical point of view.

Unless you live in a utopian world where people work 24/7/365 for nothing, there is little practical alternatives to the way the current government is doing things.

The silly idea put up here every few weeks of diverting all existing money spent on housing to building social housing has been repeatedly shown to end up leaving thousands more homeless in the short term.

McMurphy

Niner leprauchan wrote: »

The monk has no criminal convictions and was tax compliant. Kinda like Gerry and the boys

Kinda unlike a few from within FG though, including, TDs and Minister's, right the way up to former finance minister.

Niner leprauchan wrote: »

Again, that's not what happened though is it?

Even if it was, your only making sf look bad by claiming it.

Here is what we know according to what has been said by various sources.
The Irish Times
Gardai got a 'break in the case' when contacted by a SF rep with details of a witness.

From SF:
A Detective Inspector asked for Adams help as party leader to convince the witness to give evidence.

The witness gave evidence.

The evidence wasn't used.

RandomViewer wrote: »

Is this the FG donations from the Monk?

The monk has no criminal convictions and was tax compliant. Kinda like Gerry and the boys

RandomViewer wrote: »

I just read the article in the link, evidence wasn't used anyway , my reading was that because the witness was a member of SF he thought this would be an issue for the Gardai not SF .

Now that was good for a laugh. That is the most bizarre interpretation I have read to date, but well done for the imaginative defence of Sinn Fein.

If that was the case, he would have asked the Gardai if that was an issue for them, not Sinn Fein.

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Or reassurance that the Gardai could be trusted.
The 'Gardai' who were handed this witness by a SF rep, the Gardai who apparently turned to Adams for help. If you believe that Adams at the time was the head of a Mafia like organisation of crims....you know what that means don't you?

Again, that's not what happened though is it?

Even if it was, your only making sf look bad by claiming it.

IAMAMORON wrote: »

Spin again please.

Nothing like a bit of "uisce faoi thalamh" to solve the housing crisis. Like voting Sinn Féin is going to stop the predicament of demand and supply?

The spoofology just never ends.

"So Oisín, would you prefer a transtional society run by paramiltaries and hoods, the bhoys told me they were gonna scalp the price a houses like? "

Get a grip.

Is this the FG donations from the Monk?

James Brown

IAMAMORON wrote: »

Spin again please.

Nothing like a bit of "uisce faoi thalamh" to solve the housing crisis. Like voting Sinn Féin is going to stop the predicament of demand and supply?

The spoofology just never ends.

"So Oisín, would you prefer a transtional society run by paramiltaries and hoods, the bhoys told me they were gonna scalp the price a houses like? "

Get a grip.

Would you rather buy, rent/lease privately to use as social housing or build social housing? Which is the better deal for the tax payer?

IAMAMORON

RandomName2 wrote: »

There's a small band of crazies foaming at the lips wanting rivers of blood to avenge ancestral pain.

But I think the majority voting for Sinn Fein are just looking for any old party to reduce property prices. The only reason why they're going for Sinn Fein is because (1) that's what Sinn Fein say they'll do (2) they're a big party and (3) they aren't FF or FG.

That's about it really, I think. I don't think that most people care about anything else in relation to the party in general, for better or worse. I don't see Sinn Fein exhibiting any expertise in terms of housing, but to be fair I can't say I can see any other opposition party being markedly better on that front.

Spin again please.

Nothing like a bit of "uisce faoi thalamh" to solve the housing crisis. Like voting Sinn Féin is going to stop the predicament of demand and supply?

The spoofology just never ends.

"So Oisín, would you prefer a transtional society run by paramiltaries and hoods, the bhoys told me they were gonna scalp the price a houses like? "

Get a grip.

RandomName2

IAMAMORON wrote: »

It really makes you cringe when you see them looking for reform of the Special Criminal Court in one breath and then standing plain face in Dáil Eireann throwing mud at honest politicians trying to run the country. The worst is that people are voting for these scumbags as a viable alternative, voters are lapping up their tripe, scary enough.

There's a small band of crazies foaming at the lips wanting rivers of blood to avenge ancestral pain.

But I think the majority voting for Sinn Fein are just looking for any old party to reduce property prices. The only reason why they're going for Sinn Fein is because (1) that's what Sinn Fein say they'll do (2) they're a big party and (3) they aren't FF or FG.

That's about it really, I think. I don't think that most people care about anything else in relation to the party in general, for better or worse. I don't see Sinn Fein exhibiting any expertise in terms of housing, but to be fair I can't say I can see any other opposition party being markedly better on that front.

IAMAMORON wrote: »

It really makes you cringe when you see them looking for reform of the Special Criminal Court in one breath and then standing plain face in Dáil Eireann throwing mud at honest politicians trying to run the country. The worst is that people are voting for these scumbags as a viable alternative, voters are lapping up their tripe, scary enough.

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RandomViewer wrote: »

if you read the link the SF councillor approached the guard about the witness, there seemed to be some reticence with the Gardai in accepting the witness because he was a member of SF, in the end the evidence wasn't used anyway

You are reading it wrong. Very wrong

Direct from the article

"The witness wanted to help but told the detective that, as he was a Sinn Féin member, he was “not sure where he stood” about making an official statement without permission, said Mr Marry."

Three More Big Sleeps

JohnnyFlash wrote: »

How could these lowlifes ever be allowed hold the justice portfolio in government?

Decades of experience holding the Summary Justice portfolio, no?

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Well how else did it play out.
Witness goes to SF rep who in Feb 2017 goes to the Gardai immediately and tells them of his existence thus 'giving Gardai a break in the case' (according to Irish Times).

Detective Inspector asks Adams to help convince the witness. Witness gives evidence.

Is it credible that the DI asked Adams to give a witness permission to give evidence? A witness that SF told the gardai about in the first place?

Spin that one, as they say.

This may be off, Garda want Brady, have witness but are reticent because witness is member of SF and all likelihood judge will be paid up member of FG, it's all political posturing from every angle

rdwight wrote: »

You want us to believe the witness went to SF to ask them if he/she could trust the Gardai?

Good try, Francie.

Well how else did it play out.
Witness goes to SF rep who in Feb 2017 goes to the Gardai immediately and tells them of his existence thus 'giving Gardai a break in the case' (according to Irish Times).

Detective Inspector asks Adams to help convince the witness. Witness gives evidence.

Is it credible that the DI asked Adams to give a witness permission to give evidence? A witness that SF told the gardai about in the first place?

Spin that one, as they say.

rdwight wrote: »

You want us to believe the witness went to SF to ask them if he/she could trust the Gardai?

Good try, Francie.

if you read the link the SF councillor approached the guard about the witness, there seemed to be some reticence with the Gardai in accepting the witness because he was a member of SF, in the end the evidence wasn't used anyway

rdwight

Ush1 wrote: »

I wouldn't go to a politician about a crime I witnessed so I can't answer that.

Do you think it's right that people are effectively vetting information through politicians(who you said aren't trustworthy anyway) than to AGS?

FrancieBrady wrote: »

No it isn't right.
Lots of things about a post conflict/war society are not right.

The fact is that large parts of communities that went through the conflict/war still do not trust the gardai.
Many in what is considered normal society do not trust the Gardai and frankly, this further evidence of leaking info for political purposes is very concerning to me. How many times does it need to happen until people ask questions?

You want us to believe the witness went to SF to ask them if he/she could trust the Gardai?

Good try, Francie.

James Brown

Niner leprauchan wrote: »

that shrug of the shoulders and vague "I dunno" doesnt really work when you just stated;

It does horse. I said I don't know if party members of any party are forced to get in touch with HQ for such matters. And I don't.

I also said, "You'll find many senior or long time political party affiliates will touch base with HQ before possibly involving the party name in something or even looking for legal advice."

I don't see what's confusing you.

Niner leprauchan wrote: »

So either you know or you dont and your original comment is suggesting you know.

See above.

Niner leprauchan wrote: »

no. He can only appeal under certain circumstances. The case if over, people can speak about it

I just read the article in the link, evidence wasn't used anyway , my reading was that because the witness was a member of SF he thought this would be an issue for the Gardai not SF .