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Northern Ireland- a failure 99 years on?

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Is there another way of looking at it?
It’s still very, very divided, and actually seems to be getting more polarized over the last five years. It’s economy is woeful, very heavily dependent on the public sector.
Unionists are making plans to celebrate its centenary, but there seems to be very little to be happy with, certainly far less than the Republic or the rest of the UK.
No point in arguing about a border poll on this thread, but is there any possible way of looking at NI as a social, political and economic failure?

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thebronze14

JohnnyFlash wrote: »

Why are Nordies so dour and bad-tempered in general? Galway played Tyrone a number of years back in a football match and I’ve never met a bigger bunch of hicks, thicks, and pricks than the Tyrone supporters.

Another thing I’ve noticed is that Nordies tend to have an appalling lack of spelling and grammar skills.

There's a reason when Ulster counties are playing anyone out of Ulster they'll always support the Ulster county. If Tyrone are playing though most will support the other county from my experience. Even back in the 70s Dad said they were the most ignorant fans going, throwing bottles at opposition fans etc

landofthetree

GP costs 70 euro
Free in NI

Free school books

Top rate of tax starting at 35k. Starts at £50k in NI.

Average house price in NI £135k. Down south €250k.

Its more socialist that the south because its part of the UK. That the Tories for you.

Much better place for the low paid workers. Anybody under £50k/€55k is low paid in my book in these islands due to the high cost of living.

bucketybuck

This site has a very bizzare moderation policy. It's why I frequent Digital Spy forum more

Indeed. This thread is straight up xenophobic.

timthumbni wrote: »

If you want to take control of it then be prepared for and pay for republican areas within NI to have the
Highest sickness levels outside of Africa.

ReginaldSmythV wrote: »

It’s a horrible place full of hate like you’d never experience anywhere else. It’s a failure in the sense that it hasn’t become the apartheid state it was meant to be.

KungPao wrote: »

Visited Béal Feirste for the first time a while back, never been in Norn Iron before. Was itching to get out of the place soon after arrival.

Randy Archer wrote: »

Be easier if nature wiped them all off then take the land

dd973 wrote: »

And they're the socially and educationally backward part of the island.

JohnnyFlash wrote: »

Why are Nordies so dour and bad-tempered in general?

Another thing I’ve noticed is that Nordies tend to have an appalling lack of spelling and grammar skills.

[Deleted User]

Nothing like a bit of invisible card waving.

Dyr

I think by every metric NI is a failure, only exists because its kept on life support by the rest of the UK.

Belfast was a kip in the old days and is a kip now. Some decent pubs and hotels but other than that a place to be avoided

One thing I always notice when I visit is the amount of people working in the state service sector. I think the British government just gives them uniforms and send them out doing busy work for a wage.

Still waters

bucketybuck wrote: »

Indeed. This thread is straight up xenophobic.

Imagine describing LGBTQ/foreigners/travellers/blacks as dour,uneducated, backward, bad tempered or even wishing Nigerians would be "wiped off the face of the earth" so we could take their land. It does make one wonder is moderation on boards driven by some need to be all inclusive of everyone else except the Irish, self deprecating and hatred of everything Irish seems to be a big trend on boards of late

Chiparus

The Statelet was founded by sacrificing the unionists in Donegal , Cavan and Monaghan so that there would be gerrymandered Unionist majority .
Now that the majority is gone the raison D'etre for the statlet has gone.

[Deleted User]

timthumbni wrote: »

Now that is funny. Belfast is an actual proper city and more importantly isn’t full of the endlessly whining, moaning folk from stroke city. Even the accent would put years on ye.

Seeing as your post history is a significant dose of Unionist bigotry, which is thankfully less normal than it used to be, I'm not surprised you would take any opportunity to have a go at a majority nationalist city.

I doubt you've even attempted having a good time there like any normal visitor to the city.

[Deleted User]

ReginaldSmythV wrote: »

Massively so. Their education is horrendous.

Well, that's untrue.

briany

Belfast city centre is fantastic in how clean and well-maintained it is in comparison to Dublin city centre, and not a junkie that I saw in my time there.

[Deleted User]

onh81 wrote: »

Belfast has great bars, loads of hotels, good restaurants and far cheaper than Dublin, much less pretentious and every other person won’t be off their tits asking you for a euro to feed their heroin habit. The opening hours are being extended, Cathedral Quarter (Tribeca) will be having millions pumped into it shortly. Big push with tourism and is becoming increasingly popular with those from the UK as well as those from a Mexican persuasion.

Some nice bars and stuff in Belfast but the thing that really strikes a visitor is how divided it is. That’s something that has made Belfast a genuinely fascinating place to visit, but not a place anyone would want to move to long term.

onh81

Sunny Disposition wrote: »

Some nice bars and stuff in Belfast but the thing that really strikes a visitor is how divided it is. That’s something that has made Belfast a genuinely fascinating place to visit, but not a place anyone would want to move to long term.

It’s a sad reality. Outside of the city centre you’re either going to be in a Nationalist or Unionist area. Apart from some of the more affluent districts there aren’t many mixed areas, though some parts of south Belfast would be a lot more cosmopolitan.

Mad_maxx

landofthetree wrote: »

GP costs 70 euro
Free in NI

Free school books

Top rate of tax starting at 35k. Starts at £50k in NI.

Average house price in NI £135k. Down south €250k.

Its more socialist that the south because its part of the UK. That the Tories for you.

Much better place for the low paid workers. Anybody under £50k/€55k is low paid in my book in these islands due to the high cost of living.

Ireland is far more socialist than the UK

The state pension here is about 60% higher, unemployment benefit significantly higher too

Chiparus

landofthetree wrote: »

GP costs 70 euro
Free in NI

Free school books

Top rate of tax starting at 35k. Starts at £50k in NI.

Average house price in NI £135k. Down south €250k.

Its more socialist that the south because its part of the UK. That the Tories for you.

Much better place for the low paid workers. Anybody under £50k/€55k is low paid in my book in these islands due to the high cost of living.

Gosh sounds like an amazing place, everyone must be so happy there.

Galwayguy35

ancapailldorcha wrote: »

I live there for most of a year about a decade back. Thought it was a cracking country. Still do. People are sound and it's a beautiful country. As long as you don't go mouthing off about one side or the other of the Unionism/Nationalism debate then you wouldn't have any more bother than you'd expect in any modern country.

Tragic that the Brits have decided to wipe their arse with it.

Showing yourself up as a bit of a West Brit there, its not a country, never was and never will be.

[Deleted User]

Galwayguy35 wrote: »

Showing yourself up as a bit of a West Brit there, its not a country, never was and never will be.

It’s just part of a bigger country, the UK.

O'Neill

Galwayguy35 wrote: »

Showing yourself up as a bit of a West Brit there, its not a country, never was and never will be.

What would you prefer then? Describing northerners (myself) as 'uneducated; 'full of hate' 'backward' ect.. as others have highlighed on this thread. Sick of this ****e tbh

biko

It's an amazing place and even though things may seem bad now they are nothing compared to during the troubles.

Eric Cartman

considering they bloated the civil service just to make enough jobs to keep it stable and it costs the UK government billions to keep itself afloat - yes it has failed completely.

At this point its in the 'diminishing returns' stage of investment.

ancapailldorcha

Galwayguy35 wrote: »

Showing yourself up as a bit of a West Brit there, its not a country, never was and never will be.

This sort of shrill name calling and spewing nonsense adds nothing.

Beltby

Eric Cartman wrote: »

considering they bloated the civil service just to make enough jobs to keep it stable and it costs the UK government billions to keep itself afloat - yes it has failed completely.

At this point its in the 'diminishing returns' stage of investment.

Once the brexit situation becomes too tiresome for the uk government in relation to ni, they'll cut it loose.

The amount of smuggling and other dodgy stuff going on will be unreal.

JasonStatham

NI has great potential, if we can finally get rid of the English.

Eric Cartman

Beltby wrote: »

Once the brexit situation becomes too tiresome for the uk government in relation to ni, they'll cut it loose.

The amount of smuggling and other dodgy stuff going on will be unreal.

the issue is we cannot afford a second bloated civil service, we can't afford that welfare bill.

its like offering a minimum wage worker a rolls Royce, sure it would be nice but completely unaffordable.

coolshannagh28

The PS/CS numbers for the Republic are 26% and 30% in NI , strip out MNC activity and the domestic economies in both areas don't vary that much.

Still waters

coolshannagh28 wrote: »

The PS/CS numbers for the Republic are 26% and 30% in NI , strip out MNC activity and the domestic economies in both areas don't vary that much.

That makes no sense, we have less cs workers, if we took mnc out of the equation does that mean we'd have less again, all the while ni still has more cs workers despite having no mnc's and a smaller economy, maybe I'm not picking up correctly what you're saying

[Deleted User]

coolshannagh28 wrote: »

The PS/CS numbers for the Republic are 26% and 30% in NI , strip out MNC activity and the domestic economies in both areas don't vary that much.

Multi national activity is hugely important, you can’t strip it out of any assessment!

Fritzbox

coolshannagh28 wrote: »

The PS/CS numbers for the Republic are 26% and 30% in NI , strip out MNC activity and the domestic economies in both areas don't vary that much.

Multi national activity is "hugely important" for most healthy and thriving economies - why would you "strip it out"?

RandomViewer

Hotblack Desiato wrote: »

Once made the mistake of spending a weekend there. Everything, and I mean everything, was closed on the Sunday. Place is a dump.

Should have went to Derry

contrary_devil

JasonStatham wrote: »

NI has great potential, if we can finally get rid of the English.

They can keep it and stay funding it, we can't afford what we have let alone it. We have enough rouges and shysters without taking on another bunch of them along with the political and sectarian baggage they would bring.

If NI has great potential then shouldn't it have shown through by now with all the money the rest of the UK has pumped into it? Would the south be able to fund NI to enough of an extent to allow it's potential to be realised?

eldest200

Its still divided. Someone at my friends party last year asked me what my surname was becuase of my background. It made me feel very uncomfortable.