Using DeGiro

I've transferred from AIB to the new bank account in 2 hours (bout 2pm to 4pm same day). I didn't get the usual "your deposit has arrived" email, so check your degiro account to see where it lands.

Kegblag,
i am not too sure what is happening, but i think I read ,on this thread, that transfers from say,BoI will go within hours now.
my few BoI to Degiro took less than 24 hours
Regards

Nemeses2050

Shedite27 wrote: »

I've transferred from AIB to the new bank account in 2 hours (bout 2pm to 4pm same day). I didn't get the usual "your deposit has arrived" email, so check your degiro account to see where it lands.

I'm with AIB too, I transferred yesterday around 11 ish, however don't see it on Degiro account yet.

kegblag

Nemeses2050 wrote: »

How long is it taking for money to reach your Degiro/Flatex account? previously it took few hours

Thanks for the replies.

I've not tried from BOI ->DeGiro for a few months, it was sometimes one day and sometimes two days. I was wondering if BOI batched some transfers up and sent them out every couple days. (I'd always send early enough in the morning so it shouldn't be due to a 1 or 2pm cutoff.) I was getting annoyed and was about to switch to maybe AIB or KBC when N26 showed up as a simpler option.

However unlike BOI->DeGiro BOI -> N26 has always been reliably next working day. I've come to trust that - usually get an N26 notification around 8am the following day.

I may switch back from N26 to BOI as primary and send a test euro on Monday morning and see how long it takes, but the 3 primary switches a year limit might mean I delay that test.

Annoying as well that funding DeGiro was my main use for the N26 account.

Anyone have an online broker that trades OTC shares?

Anyone have an online broker that trades OTC shares?

Nemeses2050

Nemeses2050 wrote: »

I'm with AIB too, I transferred yesterday around 11 ish, however don't see it on Degiro account yet.

This was credited this morning,hope it won't take this long going forward. I had tansferred it on Thursday morning.

Mav11

Nemeses2050 wrote: »

This was credited this morning,hope it won't take this long going forward. I had tansferred it on Thursday morning.

Just checking. Signed up for the new bank a/c. Do I take it that Degiro has now to be set up as a new payee, with the new details in my own bank for transfer of funds?

outonawing

Mav11 wrote: »

Just checking. Signed up for the new bank a/c. Do I take it that Degiro has now to be set up as a new payee, with the new details in my own bank for transfer of funds?

Haven't done a transfer yet, as you're transferring to a new account, I presume that you'll have to set up a new payee.

Nemeses2050

Mav11 wrote: »

Just checking. Signed up for the new bank a/c. Do I take it that Degiro has now to be set up as a new payee, with the new details in my own bank for transfer of funds?

Yes that's right, if you go into Deposit/Withdraw tab, you'll see new Bank details which you have to use going forward.

gadarnol

Setting up degiro: I'm asked for a taxation id number. Is this usual and what is usually supplied? Thanks.

[Deleted User]

gadarnol wrote: »

Setting up degiro: I'm asked for a taxation id number. Is this usual and what is usually supplied? Thanks.

Your PPSN.

Not sure what level of automatic reporting DeGiro is obliged to supply Revenue for Irish customer results.

I have read through most of this thread. I am a contented user of Degiro.
I believe it is possible to short on the Irish stock exchange(among others).
I have read their blurb on shorting , they call something else.
Could anyone who knows a bit about it ,take a few minutes of your life to explain what and how it works.

to show my limited knowledge, they,Degiro will loan me someones shares , sell them for me and wait until I instruct them to buy those same shares and return them, leaving me with the profit,less their costs

Hoping to hear something

Regards

rugbyman wrote: »

I have read through most of this thread. I am a contented user of Degiro.
I believe it is possible to short on the Irish stock exchange(among others).
I have read their blurb on shorting, they call something else.
Could anyone who knows a bit about it ,take a few minutes of your life to explain what and how it works.

to show my limited knowledge, they,Degiro will loan me someones shares , sell them for me and wait until I instruct them to buy those same shares and return them, leaving me with the profit,less their costs

Hoping to hear something

Regards

No offence, but before you go near Shorting, you need to know a LOT more about the process. If you dont undertand it, you shouldn't be anywhere near it. I'd imagine most get years experience of buying stocks before shorting anything.

First thing to understand, is that the process you described (Shorting) has unlimited potential losses (though likely Degiro will call in your debt before you have a chance to make profit).

If you're adamant you want to bet against a stock market, there are funds available that track the opposite of most indexes. So essentially you could invest your money in a fund, and you profit when the ISEX goes down, ans lose money when the ISEQ goes up. Might be a safer bet

Thank you Shedite , I intend to tread warily.
Thanks again for your advice
I am not so sure how I could lose much money, I presume it is if the market rises instead of falls.
Whereas with betting against a share and leverage comes in ,considerable losses might ensue.

GLA

rugbyman wrote: »

Thank you Shedite , I intend to tread warily.
Thanks again for your advice
I am not so sure how I could lose much money, I presume it is if the market rises instead of falls.
Whereas with betting against a share and leverage comes in ,considerable losses might ensue.

Yes, if you are supporting a stock (long), the share price of $10 today can go up to $30 and you make 200% profit, whereas it goes to $0 and you make 100% loss.

If you go short, the opposite is true, the maximum profit is 100%, but the maximum loss is whatever the share price rises to.

Essentially with shorting you're giving an IOU on a stock. So today if CRH stock is $30, you borrow them from me, whenever you decide to send them back, you get the difference between $30 and the price that day. The problem is the lads who short something and that thing announces a surprise merger or something the next day.

When you're shorting a whole index, the risk of a one off is less, but you're now betting that a majority of the sectors in the economy is going to go down. Might happen, but normally doesn't last long.

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Shedite27 wrote: »

Yes, if you are supporting a stock (long), the share price of $10 today can go up to $30 and you make 200% profit, whereas it goes to $0 and you make 100% loss.

If you go short, the opposite is true, the maximum profit is 100%, but the maximum loss is whatever the share price rises to.

Essentially with shorting you're giving an IOU on a stock. So today if CRH stock is $30, you borrow them from me, whenever you decide to send them back, you get the difference between $30 and the price that day. The problem is the lads who short something and that thing announces a surprise merger or something the next day.

When you're shorting a whole index, the risk of a one off is less, but you're now betting that a majority of the sectors in the economy is going to go down. Might happen, but normally doesn't last long.

To add, correct me if I'm wrong.

Degiro will only allow you to short x amount of stock based on your current bank balance with them. And if a stock rises to an amount that's less than your current balance (say, 80% - just a guess) they'll ask you to fund your account. If you dont within a certain amount of time they'll buy shares with your available funds to cover your short.

Deleted User wrote: »

To add, correct me if I'm wrong.

Degiro will only allow you to short x amount of stock based on your current bank balance with them. And if a stock rises to an amount that's less than your current balance (say, 80% - just a guess) they'll ask you to fund your account. If you dont within a certain amount of time they'll buy shares with your available funds to cover your short.

Correct, there's a formula somewhere in their site, it's related to how much you have invested, and how much your shares are up, so changes every day.

gadarnol

This point on shorting is one that worries me when I reach the basic or custody profile. I understand that with basic that my shares may be lent to a shorter. Are there scenarios of bankruptcy where I have signed an agreement with deGiro and become liable for the shorter's losses made with my lent shares even though deGiro lent them? Any advice welcome. I haven't advanced to choose a profile yet and want to use deGiro for long term access to shares and also to buy shares that I believe will rise.

gadarnol wrote: »

This point on shorting is one that worries me when I reach the basic or custody profile. I understand that with basic that my shares may be lent to a shorter. Are there scenarios of bankruptcy where I have signed an agreement with deGiro and become liable for the shorter's losses made with my lent shares even though deGiro lent them? Any advice welcome. I haven't advanced to choose a profile yet and want to use deGiro for long term access to shares and also to buy shares that I believe will rise.

The scenario whereby you lose some of your assets requires the following conditions to be met all at the same time:
- the borrower becomes insolvent
- Degiro becomes insolvent (they are your counter-party in the lending operation, not the borrower)
- The value of the collateral which was provided drops below the value of the shares you were lending

In the above scenario, you would lose the difference between the value of the collateral and the value of your shares.

The probability of all 3 conditions above happening at the same time is extremely low, because as soon at there is a red flag with either of them, there is an opportunity to either address it or terminate the loan. For example if the value if the collateral drops below a certain safety level, Degiro will requests the short seller either to increase their collateral very quickly or to close the position, and if the borrower doesn't do that Degiro will liquidate their position and return your shares. But of course that probability isn't 0 (if you want to make it 0, you have to go for a custody profile whereby there will be no lending of your securities).

gadarnol

Bob24 wrote: »

The scenario whereby you lose some of your assets requires the following to conditions to be met at the same time:
- the borrower becomes insolvent
- Degiro becomes insolvent (they are your counter-party in the lending operation, not the borrower)
- The value of the collateral which was provided drops below the value of the shares you were lending

In the above scenario, you would lose the difference between the value of the collateral and the value of your shares.

I get the generality of what you are saying and you can tell the next question: what does collateral refer to here?

gadarnol wrote: »

I get the generality of what you are saying and you can tell the next question: what does collateral refer to here?

I am not 100% sure of all their lending practices, but I assume for the most part those are other securities (but I believe it could also be cash).

Edit: this document confirms my assumption that if can either be other securities or cash:

DEGIRO wrote:

DEGIRO requires security from the borrowing party. If the borrowing party is a client of DEGIRO, the borrowing party provides security with the right of pledge that DEGIRO has on the Balance of that client and the borrowed Securities are included in the continual risk monitoring of DEGIRO. In other cases, the borrowing party must provide security by transferring money or Securities to SPV, which SPV may use in the event of the failure of the borrowing party to buy back the Lent Securities in the market.

Atlas_IRL

There is a new form in degiro to open a cash account with a company called flatex who bought degiro. I done it but dont know much about it tbh. You have to change your bic/iban to that to send money in the future.

Atlas_IRL wrote: »

There is a new form in degiro to open a cash account with a company called flatex who bought degiro. I done it but dont know much about it tbh. You have to change your bic/iban to that to send money in the future.

Yep, instead of storing your cash balance on a MMF, it is now lodged on a deposit account with Flatex.

Atlas_IRL wrote: »

There is a new form in degiro to open a cash account with a company called flatex who bought degiro. I done it but dont know much about it tbh. You have to change your bic/iban to that to send money in the future.

Are you sure I have to change ,Atlas. I dont think I was notified of this, does the same link not work.

I might try a test run