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Cycling on paths and other cycling issues (updated title)

Rogerrabit

Hi cycling in footpaths is very dangerous for pedestrians especially now with this virus pandemic. Every day I witness these events cyclists on the footpaths spewing out germs as they cycle past pedestrians less than two feet from them. If any of these cyclists have the virus the pedestrians have no chance they will pick up the disease. Why do the police allow this carry on. They should be protecting the elderly instead of turning a blind eye to this outrageous carryon. What do yo think out there in Ireland the country whose population do not know how to wear a facemask.

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TaurenDruid

AndrewJRenko wrote: »

If this is aimed at me, I'd challenge anyone to point out a post where I defended dickhead cyclists?

Defended? I can't remember. Can't be arsed going back through this thread again.

Deflected, changed the subject, indulged in whataboutery?

All. The. Time.

Charles Babbage

AndrewJRenko wrote: »

That doesn't change the fact that a Garda who chooses to pull a cyclist at any time could instead be pulling a motorist, given that it is motorists that kill people on the roads each week.

The Garda should pull lawbreakers of all sorts.

It's the broken window syndrome, crime flourishes when criminals are ignored even if they aren't the most serious crimes. The lout that is allowed cycle on the footpath at 15 will then be driving a car unaccompanied two or three years later.

[Deleted User]

breezy1985 wrote: »

I didnt call for a clampdown on cyclists I called for a clampdown on breaking red lights.

A few years back I worked right by one of the new cycle superhighways and when it was built the police spent a couple of days at a busy junction on and off at rush hour and pulled every red light breaker and car parked in the bike boxes in a drive to raise awareness of the laws and I thought it was a good idea.

Did they pull every driver who broke the speed limit on that stretch? And every driver who had their phone in their hand too?

SeanW wrote: »

Nothing special about you, I'm afraid, dealing with lawbreakers on two wheels is just a hazard you have to live with as an Irish pedestrian.

Funnily enough, there really does seem to be something special about yourself and Tauren, who seem to live is some kind of Bermuda Triangle parallel universe that the rest of us just don't seem to see, like your 'menacing with intent' cyclists on the pavement and your mostly unavoidable road deaths.

This seems to be a good distance from the reality of the roads/paths in Ireland.

SeanW wrote: »

Indeed. Like virtually all of the speeding that Andy drones on about. And the majority of other crimes that do not result in death.

That's correct - the majority of crimes do not result in deaths.

Unfortunately, the corrollory is not true. The majority of road deaths do relate to traffic law offences; speeding; drink/drug driving, phone use.

SeanW wrote: »

You must think everyone here is a special kind of stupid, that anyone would believe this.

Most speed enforcement is done by means of civilian contractors like GoSafe, and more is done by permanent cameras (like at the Port Tunnel), all of this being much easier because motor vehicles have registration plates. Gardai cannot even do speed enforcement without being stationed somewhere and using speed monitoring equipment. They are totally separate problems.

It's incredible that you actually think people are stupid enough to believe this nonsense.

No, we don't "know this very well" because it's a load of cobblers. But the cynics among us might suggest all this whataboutery by cyclists to distract from the appalling behaviour of cyclists is somewhat self-serving. :rolleyes:

Yes, most speed enforcement is done by cameras.

That doesn't change the fact that a Garda who chooses to pull a cyclist at any time could instead be pulling a motorist, given that it is motorists that kill people on the roads each week.

That's a fact. There is no option not to believe a fact. It's a fact.

kenmm wrote: »

There is a lot of whstaboutary on these threads, from ALL angles. But one thing that wind me up is the grouping/homogenisation of groups of people.

It's not the same cyclists that are defending the dick head cyclists.

If this is aimed at me, I'd challenge anyone to point out a post where I defended dickhead cyclists?

kenmm

SeanW wrote: »

. But the cynics among us might suggest all this whataboutery by cyclists to distract from the appalling behaviour of cyclists is somewhat self-serving. :rolleyes:

There is a lot of whstaboutary on these threads, from ALL angles. But one thing that wind me up is the grouping/homogenisation of groups of people.

It's not the same cyclists that are defending the dick head cyclists.

Re police clampdowns, I think a series of time boxed campaigns targeting specific issues would be great and might raise awareness amongst different segments of road user. Targeting RLJ by all modes of transport, close passing, bad parking etc etc

Up in NI they recently done one for close passing where they targeted close passing and pulled good and bad passers, extending that across different problem behaviour would be great.

Shame they can't be arsed tho..

Stark

TaurenDruid wrote: »

Don't have a problem with under 16s cycling on the footpath, and I've said so on this thread before. it's perfectly legal for them to do so.

No it's not.

TaurenDruid

micar wrote: »

My 5 year old niece will be cycling on the footpath to GAA practice on Saturday morning.

Get onto the Guards to organise squad car to Mobhi road in Glasnevin to put her in cuffs and down to the local station.

Don't have a problem with under 16s cycling on the footpath, and I've said so on this thread before. it's perfectly legal for them to do so.

SeanW

what_traffic wrote: »

He is a paid motoring lobbiest who also just happens to cycle to work. He respresents the interests of those (motorists) - who at end of the day pay his salary.

I think the word you're looking for is "lobbyist". It might help if you learn to spell when you're calling people names. :rolleyes:

TaurenDruid wrote: »

I swear I must have a neon sign over my head saying "Please cycle into this person!"

Nothing special about you, I'm afraid, dealing with lawbreakers on two wheels is just a hazard you have to live with as an Irish pedestrian.

But still. Nobody died, eh?

Indeed. Like virtually all of the speeding that Andy drones on about. And the majority of other crimes that do not result in death.

AndrewJRenko wrote: »

Every cyclist they pull is one less driver they pull.

You must think everyone here is a special kind of stupid, that anyone would believe this.

Most speed enforcement is done by means of civilian contractors like GoSafe, and more is done by permanent cameras (like at the Port Tunnel), all of this being much easier because motor vehicles have registration plates. Gardai cannot even do speed enforcement without being stationed somewhere and using speed monitoring equipment. They are totally separate problems.

It's incredible that you actually think people are stupid enough to believe this nonsense.

And those who call for clampdowns on cyclists know this very well. A cynic might think that this distraction is a big part of their motivation in calling for clampdowns on cyclists.

No, we don't "know this very well" because it's a load of cobblers. But the cynics among us might suggest all this whataboutery by cyclists to distract from the appalling behaviour of cyclists is somewhat self-serving. :rolleyes:

breezy1985

AndrewJRenko wrote: »

I rarely see Gardai on foot patrol anymore, but for those that are - yes, they are capable of pulling up law-breaking cyclists, just as they are capable of pulling up the 98% of drivers who break urban speed limits.

Every cyclist they pull is one less driver they pull. And those who call for clampdowns on cyclists know this very well. A cynic might think that this distraction is a big part of their motivation in calling for clampdowns on cyclists.

I didnt call for a clampdown on cyclists I called for a clampdown on breaking red lights.

A few years back I worked right by one of the new cycle superhighways and when it was built the police spent a couple of days at a busy junction on and off at rush hour and pulled every red light breaker and car parked in the bike boxes in a drive to raise awareness of the laws and I thought it was a good idea.

micar

TaurenDruid wrote: »

Whataboutery.

Never mind the roads - trampolines and houses are the real death traps, did you not hear the minister last night?

And the garda on foot patrol around the city centre is well capable of pulling up the cyclist who is on the footpath, going through red lights, or cycling the wrong way down a one way street, without interfering in any way with the traffic corps who are manning checkpoints or have patrol cars out on the N7.

But you know this.

My 5 year old niece will be cycling on the footpath to GAA practice on Saturday morning.

Get onto the Guards to organise squad car to Mobhi road in Glasnevin to put her in cuffs and down to the local station.

[Deleted User]

TaurenDruid wrote: »

Whataboutery.

And the garda on foot patrol around the city centre is well capable of pulling up the cyclist who is on the footpath, going through red lights, or cycling the wrong way down a one way street, without interfering in any way with the traffic corps who are manning checkpoints or have patrol cars out on the N7.

But you know this.

I rarely see Gardai on foot patrol anymore, but for those that are - yes, they are capable of pulling up law-breaking cyclists, just as they are capable of pulling up the 98% of drivers who break urban speed limits.

Every cyclist they pull is one less driver they pull. And those who call for clampdowns on cyclists know this very well. A cynic might think that this distraction is a big part of their motivation in calling for clampdowns on cyclists.

TaurenDruid

AndrewJRenko wrote: »

How much Garda time would you like to divert away from reducing the death toll on the road caused by motorists, just to give you a laugh?

Whataboutery.

Never mind the roads - trampolines and houses are the real death traps, did you not hear the minister last night?

And the garda on foot patrol around the city centre is well capable of pulling up the cyclist who is on the footpath, going through red lights, or cycling the wrong way down a one way street, without interfering in any way with the traffic corps who are manning checkpoints or have patrol cars out on the N7.

But you know this.

[Deleted User]

breezy1985 wrote: »

I'de love to see a suprise Garda clampdown some week for the laugh but it'll probably never happen

How much Garda time would you like to divert away from reducing the death toll on the road caused by motorists, just to give you a laugh?

kenmm

TaurenDruid wrote: »

c) Dripping sarcasm.

DINGDINGDING I got all three, I win!

I guess you get back from the world what you out into it to some degree?

But really, no one thinks that it's acceptable, plus it's boards.ie- it should be renamed whataboutthingthatsunrelated.ie

TaurenDruid

kenmm wrote: »

Serious question: what kind of reaction do you expect here? Assholes be assholes, no one is going to defend that or say it's acceptable.

a) Someone understanding this is unacceptable; and
b) "Yes, but whatabout..."; and
c) Dripping sarcasm.

DINGDINGDING I got all three, I win!

07Lapierre

TaurenDruid wrote: »

I swear I must have a neon sign over my head saying "Please cycle into this person!"

I come out of Stephen's Green Centre this lunchtime. Stand at the pedestrian lights. They turn green for pedestrians. Step out into the road and there's a cyclist there. Cycling through a pedestrian crossing. Going the wrong way down a one-way street. No reaction from the stupid **** when they were called a stupid ****, not even a mumbled sorry, I think they were so oblivious they didn't even register it.

If I hadn't been stopped and had walked straight out on a green pedestrian light, one or both of us were on the floor.

But still. Nobody died, eh?

Thats terrible!
Were your wearing a Helmet and Hi-viz/day glow?
Why were you crossing the road when the light had "Just" changed to green?
I mean seriously, the sooner we have road crossing lessons for peds the better!

kenmm

TaurenDruid wrote: »

But still. Nobody died, eh?

Serious question: what kind of reaction do you expect here? Assholes be assholes, no one is going to defend that or say it's acceptable.

Duckjob

TaurenDruid wrote: »

I swear I must have a neon sign over my head saying "Please cycle into this person!"

I come out of Stephen's Green Centre this lunchtime. Stand at the pedestrian lights. They turn green for pedestrians. Step out into the road and there's a cyclist there. Cycling through a pedestrian crossing. Going the wrong way down a one-way street. No reaction from the stupid **** when they were called a stupid ****, not even a mumbled sorry, I think they were so oblivious they didn't even register it.

If I hadn't been stopped and had walked straight out on a green pedestrian light, one or both of us were on the floor.

But still. Nobody died, eh?

Just another one a*sehole of many on our roads.

Like the one in a Skoda that I encountered last week. Sped up to charge through a red light that my eight yr old daughter had already begun to cross on her bike with the green man there.

Very same type of a*sehole, very different set of potential consequences.

breezy1985

TaurenDruid wrote: »

I swear I must have a neon sign over my head saying "Please cycle into this person!"

I come out of Stephen's Green Centre this lunchtime. Stand at the pedestrian lights. They turn green for pedestrians. Step out into the road and there's a cyclist there. Cycling through a pedestrian crossing. Going the wrong way down a one-way street. No reaction from the stupid **** when they were called a stupid ****, not even a mumbled sorry, I think they were so oblivious they didn't even register it.

If I hadn't been stopped and had walked straight out on a green pedestrian light, one or both of us were on the floor.

But still. Nobody died, eh?

I'de love to see a suprise Garda clampdown some week for the laugh but it'll probably never happen

TaurenDruid

I swear I must have a neon sign over my head saying "Please cycle into this person!"

I come out of Stephen's Green Centre this lunchtime. Stand at the pedestrian lights. They turn green for pedestrians. Step out into the road and there's a cyclist there. Cycling through a pedestrian crossing. Going the wrong way down a one-way street. No reaction from the stupid **** when they were called a stupid ****, not even a mumbled sorry, I think they were so oblivious they didn't even register it.

If I hadn't been stopped and had walked straight out on a green pedestrian light, one or both of us were on the floor.

But still. Nobody died, eh?

breezy1985

tnegun wrote: »

More of a WTF I had been wondering what was up with the bike lights at the brand new junction in Maynooth with the Kilcock road. The lane isn't much more than paint but at least it's marked and is at the road level but the lights controlling it stay red when cars get the green light to proceed in the same direction.
I ignore this and continue on straight as they often just stay red but I figured it out today they're controlled by the pedestrian crossing at least some of the time! So while traffic can proceed straight, cycles cannot and must wait for a pedestrian to press the button!!!

If it is at road level does that mean the cyclist have to cycle through the pedestrians when the lights go green for both

tnegun

More of a WTF I had been wondering what was up with the bike lights at the brand new junction in Maynooth with the Kilcock road. The lane isn't much more than paint but at least it's marked and is at the road level but the lights controlling it stay red when cars get the green light to proceed in the same direction.
I ignore this and continue on straight as they often just stay red but I figured it out today they're controlled by the pedestrian crossing at least some of the time! So while traffic can proceed straight, cycles cannot and must wait for a pedestrian to press the button!!!

magicbastarder

They resurfaced the footpaths recently and the road a year or two back with no attempt to use the opportunity to re-engineer it, so a clearly missed opportunity to something that involves more than paint which is probably what will be done now.

Pinch Flat

Could never understand why Griffith Avenue had no cycle line - it must be about half a mile wide.

magicbastarder

https://twitter.com/DublinCommuters/status/1294255297045975041

Duckjob

It's dem curly moustaches sporters that grind my gears.... Always the same behavior from them.

kenmm

TaurenDruid wrote: »

Something something not all cyclists not all motorists something something not a homogeneous group.

Of course all motorists are f**kers (when i am cycling) and all cyclists are di(ks (when I am driving).

What really winds me up - pedestrians. How dare they.

TaurenDruid

Weepsie wrote: »

Never mind amber gambling. Today at this junction I saw the following :

I'm going straight ahead. Line up traffic beind me in both lanes. Car leaves the line, basically mounts path, takes the left filter lane, then cuts right, drives across the other lanes, and then takes the left filter lane across the road, drives on a bit, does a u-turn, and then takes the left filter again.

It was the most criminally dangerous and careless thing I've probably ever seen, yet we have stupid f*cking threads like this that act like bikes are the source of all that are wrong on our roads.

I wish I had my camera on.

https://www.google.com/maps/@53.2763578,-6.3310801,3a,75y,5.26h,83.06t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sCRSgZOWICYi3mExH944z2w!2e0!7i16384!8i8192

Something something not all cyclists not all motorists something something not a homogeneous group.

eeeee

07Lapierre wrote: »

THIS is a cycle lane!

https://twitter.com/dlrcc/status/1293468539366641666?s=21

It's an excellent cycle lane. I rarely use cycle lanes because they're almost universally dangerous, badly designed, full of shyte etc. etc., but this one is good.
The 'don't drive down here' signs do take over half the lane leaving Dun L would be my only gripe, but they're only temporary I hope.
it's properly segregated from the path and the road, which is great.
Not too many junctions along the way in fairness, the sea runs alongside most of it.

I've never seen so many kids, women and families out cycling on a piece of road, even during lockdown. It's so great to see the little pedallers flying along!

micar

magicbastarder wrote: »

not that's it's really relevant, but i had to drive from park west to glasnevin at rush hour today. my own fault for not taking the M50.
it was pretty much grand, but then phibsboro was a **** show. i probably drove at less than half walking pace from kings inn to hart's corner. i was the stupid schmuck not driving up the bus lane on the various sections where there is one along that stretch, and it probably would have halved my time. and i clearly wouldn't have been caught either.
it's kinda funny, i almost don't blame other drivers for breaking the rules to suit themselves. rules aren't rules unless they're enforced. they're just ink.

My commute home is up constitution hill and aroubd Harts corner for the last 10 years.

Everyday around 4.20pm.

Every day there are cars driving up the bus lane past the fire brigade station and then into the bus lane just past phibsboro shopping centre

A handful of times I've seen a guard. Brilliant when there is some one pulled over. But it's so rare.

Always a line of cars in the bus lane at Harts corner going around to Glasnevin.

I've never seen a guard here.

If they every privatised giving out fines for cars in bus lanes, I'd choose Harts corner ........ make a fortune

magicbastarder

not that's it's really relevant, but i had to drive from park west to glasnevin at rush hour today. my own fault for not taking the M50.
it was pretty much grand, but then phibsboro was a **** show. i probably drove at less than half walking pace from kings inn to hart's corner. i was the stupid schmuck not driving up the bus lane on the various sections where there is one along that stretch, and it probably would have halved my time. and i clearly wouldn't have been caught either.
it's kinda funny, i almost don't blame other drivers for breaking the rules to suit themselves. rules aren't rules unless they're enforced. they're just ink.