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2020 the battle of the septuagenarians - Trump vs Biden, Part 2

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[Deleted User]

Biden continuing to come across as presidential, clearly the narrative certain posters on here are pushing isn't exactly based on reality. Anyone watching him speak, it's such a welcome change from Trump's pressers. He's unifying.

Muahahaha

Biden doing great here. He hasnt even suggested that Americans inject themselves with bleach, thats a postive in my book

SimonTemplar

He comes across as an elder statesman who genuinely cares about the nation. The fact that he occasionally flubs his words is just surface level slip-ups, whereas Trump is rotten to the core.

Sean.3516

"Joe is the person to take us forward."
Kamala Harris

Did anybody else find it extremely hard to take her seriously when she said that? She doesn't believe that. Nobody believes that. With the amount of reverence they're affording to Harris in this event, it's quite clear they intend to put her front and centre and to hell with Biden.

Cody montana

This is the tonic to the hate.

joseywhales

Harris-Gabbard 2024, It will be the most attractive duo in history which is a very low bar

Sean.3516

pjohnson wrote: »

Harris makes zero difference really.

60% of Americans believe Biden will either drop dead or resign before his 4 years are up. This is one of the only elections in US history in which VP pick matters.

pjohnson wrote: »

Those outraged at the idea of a black woman of colour being anywhere near power were diehard ride or die Trumpian Acolytes anyway.

Who's said anything about her race or gender? (other than the people promoting her who won't shut up about it)

timsey tiger

Sean.3516 wrote: »

Who's said anything about her race or gender? (other than the people promoting her who won't shut up about it)

You don't say it you whistle dixie

[Deleted User]

Sean.3516 wrote: »

"Joe is the person to take us forward."
Kamala Harris

Did anybody else find it extremely hard to take her seriously when she said that? She doesn't believe that. Nobody believes that. With the amount of reverence they're affording to Harris in this event, it's quite clear they intend to put her front and centre and to hell with Biden.

You guys do not seem to be taking the pairing well.... But it seems to be more because it's a powerful pairing.

Muahahaha

An American dies from Covid every 80 seconds, thats some record Trump has

duploelabs

Sean.3516 wrote: »

60% of Americans believe Biden will either drop dead or resign before his 4 years are up. This is one of the only elections in US history in which VP pick matters.

Who's said anything about her race or gender? (other than the people promoting her who won't shut up about it)

Citation for that 60%?

Cody montana

That was change.

Faugheen

Sean.3516 wrote: »

60% of Americans believe Biden will either drop dead or resign before his 4 years are up. This is one of the only elections in US history in which VP pick matters.

Who's said anything about her race or gender? (other than the people promoting her who won't shut up about it)

And American’s are the pantheon of all knowledge are they?

An opinion poll of Kens and Karens does not fact make. Biden is only four years older than Trump yet looks four times fitter.

Honestly the obsession by some people here is baffling. Now that he shows that he’s not senile it’s about Biden dying in office when the incumbent is morbidly obese and lies about doctors telling him how amazing he is that he can distinguish a camera from a television.

Faugheen

One thing to note about Biden’s speech.

He never once spoke about himself. Refreshing.

Chris_Heilong

pjohnson wrote: »

Harris makes zero difference really. Those outraged at the idea of a black woman of colour being anywhere near power were diehard ride or die Trumpian Acolytes anyway.

Its just means the world can enjoy Trump and his disciples disgrace themselves some more when they fixate on her gender/colour making her unelectable.

This is nuts talk, I will try speaking your language...She is an authoritarian who enjoys locking up people of color, people on the left and Right hate her equally and I hate to burst your bubble but it has nothing to do with the pigment of her skin and is more to do with her being a horrible person. I think by picking her Biden has completely lost the race.

Danzy

Chris_Heilong wrote: »

This is nuts talk, I will try speaking your language...She is an authoritarian who enjoys locking up people of color, people on the left and Right hate her equally and I hate to burst your bubble but it has nothing to do with the pigment of her skin and is more to do with her being a horrible person. I think by picking her Biden has completely lost the race.

Completely, the deep and passionate hatred for her is largely from African American males and given her history, understandable.

[Deleted User]

Chris_Heilong wrote: »

This is nuts talk, I will try speaking your language...She is an authoritarian who enjoys locking up people of color,

By that logic Trumpers should love her!

Danzy

[Deleted User] wrote: »

By that logic Trumpers should love her!

Why?

I could see how she would win over the GOP wing who are Bush acolytes.

Faugheen

Chris_Heilong wrote: »

This is nuts talk, I will try speaking your language...She is an authoritarian who enjoys locking up people of color, people on the left and Right hate her equally and I hate to burst your bubble but it has nothing to do with the pigment of her skin and is more to do with her being a horrible person. I think by picking her Biden has completely lost the race.

How?

Are the Republicans going to accuse her of being soft on the police when they’re claiming the Democrats are anti-police?

Is Trump going to address donating money to her re-election campaign for AG of California?

It’s a nightmare pick for the Republicans. She is nearly everything they claim the Democrats are not.

Sean.3516

[Deleted User] wrote: »

You guys do not seem to be taking the pairing well.... But it seems to be more because it's a powerful pairing.

Are you kidding? I’m dee-lighted. And so is Trump by the way.
If I seem shocked it’s because I am shocked that Biden could be so stupid.

Sean.3516

duploelabs wrote: »

Citation for that 60%?

A poll by Rasmussen published two days ago. Correction: It said 59%, not 60%.

https://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections/election_2020/59_think_biden_unlikely_to_finish_a_four_year_term_in_white_house

[Deleted User]

Sean.3516 wrote: »

Are you kidding? I’m dee-lighted. And so is Trump by the way.
If I seem shocked it’s because I am shocked that Biden could be so stupid.

You realise today was one of the most successful fundraising days for Biden? It was in the wake of Harris announcement... Don't see her negatively affecting him at all. Both did superb speeches this evening. They were unifying rather than attempting to create divisions.

gmisk

Sean.3516 wrote: »

A poll by Rasmussen published two days ago. Correction: It said 59%, not 60%.

https://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections/election_2020/59_think_biden_unlikely_to_finish_a_four_year_term_in_white_house

Rasmussen....lol....it is pretty much regarded as garbage and the least accurate of the major pollsters.
It also has a well established pro GOP bias....so yeah...I wouldn't even take it with grain of salt never mind a pinch.

[Deleted User]

The other factor is people believing stupid things is something that often shows up in polls. Eg Gallup polling on evolution.

pjohnson

Chris_Heilong wrote: »

This is nuts talk, I will try speaking your language...She is an authoritarian who enjoys locking up people of color, people on the left and Right hate her equally and I hate to burst your bubble but it has nothing to do with the pigment of her skin and is more to do with her being a horrible person. I think by picking her Biden has completely lost the race.

And I'm 99% sure you thought Biden had completely lost the race BEFORE he picked Harris.

Sean.3516

Faugheen wrote: »

And American’s are the pantheon of all knowledge are they?

An opinion poll of Kens and Karens does not fact make.

People vote according they’re beliefs. Whether they’re right or wrong doesn’t matter. A majority of Americans believe Harris is likely to succeed Biden in the next fours years.

Every moderate/independent in the swing states who would have found it easy to vote Biden had he picked a genuine moderate like Amy Klobuchar or a non-entity like Susan Rice are now going to reconsider Trump when faced with the prospect of a radical progressive like Harris becoming president if they vote for Biden.

Faugheen wrote: »

Biden is only four years older than Trump yet looks four times fitter.

You’ve got to be kidding right? Physically, Biden might look better than Trump, but mentally there’s no comparison.

I’m not even talking about wit or intellect. Neither candidate scores highly there. But Trump is obviously capable of paying attention, speaking comprehensibly (without slurring over words) or rambling incoherently. When he speaks extemporaneously he manages to stay pretty engaged and doesn’t zone out. In other words the man’s brain seems to work just as well it as it did 10 years ago.

Watch videos of Biden from when he first became VP and try and tell me the guy has not declined noticeably.

Faugheen wrote: »

Honestly the obsession by some people here is baffling. Now that he shows that he’s not senile it’s about Biden dying in office when the incumbent is morbidly obese and lies about doctors telling him how amazing he is that he can distinguish a camera from a television.

Whatever you think about Trump’s intellect or aptitude for the job, Trump has shown no sign of mental decline or inability to withstand the stresses of the office.

Joe Biden aged substantially in his 8 years as VP, he’s shown stress on the campaign trail, the presidency will finish him off.

And don’t give me the he’s only four years older thing, people decline at different rates. This isn’t about age.

extra gravy

Quin_Dub wrote: »

I disagree - Florida is absolutely still there for the taking for Biden.

However , Biden does not need Florida , Trump absolutely does though , If he loses Florida it's over he simply cannot win.

Biden will win every state that Clinton won last time out - There are none of them where Trump is competitive today.

So , hat gives Biden an almost guaranteed 232 EC votes , leaving him needing only 38 more votes to get.

Michigan (16 Votes) - Trump and the GOP have left the field here already , they are no longer spending any money in the State, so those votes are pretty much in the bag.

So that puts Biden on a very solid 248 right now , only 22 more to go.

Any 2 of Pennsylvania , Wisconsin, Ohio , Arizona , North Carolina , Missouri , Georgia or Florida and Biden is home.

As of today those States stand as follows

Pennsylvania - Biden +6.4
Wisconsin - Biden 5.5
Ohio - Biden +2.3
Arizona - Biden +2
North Carolina - Tie
Missouri - Trump +6.4
Georgia - Trump +1
Florida - Biden +5

So Biden has leads outside the MOE in 3 States and narrow leads in 2 others and he only needs 2 of them to win.

Trump needs all of them to block Biden.

Of course , there's time for things to change , but it's running out fast for Trump - Early voting starts in about a month in many States.

The pressure is ALL on Trump.

Just a quick reply to say that your posts are an antidote to the ignorance from certain posters on this thread. Always well written and informative.

namloc1980

Trump's press conference at the moment is comical. He's showing a load of charts with squiggly lines and with no labels on the X and Y axis. These charts are meaningless but I'm sure his base love it..... squiggly line go up!

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pjohnson

Sean.3516 wrote: »

I’m not even talking about wit or intellect. Neither candidate scores highly there. But Trump is obviously capable of paying attention, speaking comprehensibly (without slurring over words) or rambling incoherently. When he speaks extemporaneously he manages to stay pretty engaged and doesn’t zone out. In other words the man’s brain seems to work just as well it as it did 10 years ago.

Watch videos of Biden from when he first became VP and try and tell me the guy has not declined noticeably.

Whatever you think about Trump’s intellect or aptitude for the job, Trump has shown no sign of mental decline or inability to withstand the stresses of the office.

Joe Biden aged substantially in his 8 years as VP, he’s shown stress on the campaign trail, the presidency will finish him off.

And don’t give me the he’s only four years older thing, people decline at different rates. This isn’t about age.

Trump has best wordssss.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UE9BXkQ-SRc

[Deleted User]

Sean.3516 wrote: »

Whatever you think about Trump’s intellect or aptitude for the job, Trump has shown no sign of mental decline or inability to withstand the stresses of the office.

You must be kidding.