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Control (Remedy Games) PC, PS4, XB1

Mr Crispy

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2p3jktqhp4g

This one has my attention.

After a secretive agency in New York is invaded by an otherworldly threat, you become the new Director struggling to regain Control. This supernatural third-person action-adventure game will challenge you to master a combination of supernatural abilities, modifiable loadouts and reactive environments, while fighting through a deep and unpredictable world.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OdXsWmJ0HYI

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Temptamperu

Am I the only person who didnt like this game?

K.O.Kiki

I think you're all missing the real best upgrade:

Ability to re-play any level, including The Ashtray Maze. :cool:

McFly85

Potential-Monke wrote: »

I have to disagree here. The constantly changing building, the mind bending rooms, the completely different to the rest of the building areas, the whole lore of the place, the fricken maze!!! I think Remedy created a truly original and visually stunning world with The Oldest House. Every other game is the same these days, other games have desert/snow/mountain/city environs that are basically the same. Even games like The Outer Worlds is the same, just with a lot more colour. The Oldest House is very unique to me, and one of the best worlds I've been in for a while.

The maze was excellent! A really unique experience you couldn’t get in any other medium. Most areas felt to me like going from one big block of concrete to the next.

I kind of feel like Control was a generation too early. I like the core gameplay but I wonder if the vision for the game was limited knowing there would need to be versions that could run on the base PS4 and XB1. And I’d be interested in future games in the series because I think with the extra power of new consoles Remedy could create something truly great-but I’ll probably won’t be buying it day 1.

Sephiroth_dude

Adding an assist mode, great imo as some of the difficulty spikes were bull****, I'll be going back to this so it seems.

https://www.gameinformer.com/2020/08/14/control-is-taking-it-easy-in-next-update

Potential-Monke

McFly85 wrote: »

...but I found the environments bland for the most part

I have to disagree here. The constantly changing building, the mind bending rooms, the completely different to the rest of the building areas, the whole lore of the place, the fricken maze!!! I think Remedy created a truly original and visually stunning world with The Oldest House. Every other game is the same these days, other games have desert/snow/mountain/city environs that are basically the same. Even games like The Outer Worlds is the same, just with a lot more colour. The Oldest House is very unique to me, and one of the best worlds I've been in for a while.

McFly85

I think one of the aspects of this that’s most disappointing is that Control is a game that had technical issues on base consoles, so you’d have hoped any ps/XsX upgrading would have been offered even as a dlc for no more than €10.

But as someone who bought the game at launch it’s definitely not worth paying again. The core gameplay is fun, but I found the environments bland for the most part and it’s much shorter than I was expecting(although I haven’t played any of the DLC).

Potential-Monke

I think what they're doing makes far better financial sense. As mentioned, they're probably having to revamp the whole game to work on proper next gen tech (for consoles, I'm leaving PC out of this), and if they said that all previous purchases will get the free upgrade, what's stopping someone getting the current gen version very cheap during a sale and getting the next gen for free then. Gamers are a tight bunch when it comes to spending money, so that would be rampant. I'd imagine the Complete Edition won't go on sale for a good while after release because of this, whereas you can get the base game quite cheaply now. It's a hard financial decision to make, they want return on their investment (who doesn't) and they're not as big as other devs/publishers who can afford this "goodwill" people want.

But again, this is all coming from the fact that it is a fantastic game and that alone, for me, makes what they're doing perfectly ok. Compared to CDPR, who i'm now convinced keep delaying Cyberpunk becuase they went back to begin again on next gen and are downscaling it for current gen, are offering the free upgrade because the game isn't even out yet, and they know it will sell like hotcakes regardless, because of their proven history of making a near perfect game. Let's hope they live up to that.

Just my 2 cents. Control is a gem of current gen, but that is also completely personal because it reminds me so much of the excellent (again, to me) Second Sight and Psi-Ops games, both of which need to be remastered for current/next gen. Games with telekinetic powers, when done right, are amazing, and Control is one of the best.

johnny_ultimate

Even from a straightforward business / PR sense it seems sensible to me to give the upgrade to anyone who has the game and DLC. I mean it’d be a pretty great incentive for people to pick up the new expansion they have coming out in a matter of weeks. You can imagine that extra few quid would largely offset the small amount of ‘double dippers’ who’d pick up the next-gen version on top of the current gen one. Looking beyond that, we know Remedy have more games of this ilk in the works, so again customer goodwill will benefit you there.

I should stress again I’d be 100% confident this seems purely 505 though. Even the loaded ‘no comment’ of Remedy sending journalists to the publisher for comment seems to suggest the developers want nothing to do with this strange free upgrade policy

Azza

Cordell wrote: »

Why is that THE issue? My issue would be that I already paid more for the base game and the first paid DLC than anyone getting the ultimate edition. Should I at least get the second DLC free? Or should I be happy that I got to play the game at launch way ahead of those buying the ultimate edition?

In an ideal world you would buy a game and be able to play it on any platform supported. I would like that. But it's not gonna happen.

Granted you pay more money to get to play a game earlier, that's a pro of early adoption.

But imagine if you paid for the game and the first DLC and then where told if you had bought the game and DLC after this date you will get the second DLC forfree but if you bought it before date then you will have to pay for the base game and first DLC again.

Not expecting every game to be made available for every platform. Just that developers/publisher treat all their customers equally. Customers who have purchased the same content are being treated differently by date of purchase. You would be fairly annoyed if you just purchased Control and the season pass in the last few days or weeks.

Cordell

Why is that THE issue? My issue would be that I already paid more for the base game and the first paid DLC than anyone getting the ultimate edition. Should I at least get the second DLC free? Or should I be happy that I got to play the game at launch way ahead of those buying the ultimate edition?

In an ideal world you would buy a game and be able to play it on any platform supported. I would like that. But it's not gonna happen.

Azza

Cordell wrote: »

If they don't then why would you buy it? Just run the old gen version with better performance.

No, not the same. You are not running the old version on new hardware, you are getting a new version for new hardware.

Its common for developers/publishers to release complete editions of games many months after release for people who haven't already purchased the game. It offers them better value for money.

The issue is why are some users on the old version getting the new version for free and others are not.

Cordell

Mark Hamill wrote: »

But it is the old version, with some graphic settings tweaked. It like how the PC version on low settings and the PC version on high settings with Ray Tracing is the same game.

No, I don't think this will be the case, and if it is forget all that I said

But I expect the new version to bring the RT (and ideally DLSS) features on the new consoles, that is the only way it makes sense to pay for it. And this is so much more than turning a few options on.

Mark Hamill

Cordell wrote: »

No, not the same. You are not running the old version on new hardware, you are getting a new version for new hardware.

But it is the old version, with some graphic settings tweaked. It like how the PC version on low settings and the PC version on high settings with Ray Tracing is the same game.

Cordell

No guarantee either of these features would be implemented

If they don't then why would you buy it? Just run the old gen version with better performance.

DLSS and the current RT implementation is Nvidia specific

That was my point as well. If they will bring these on the next gen consoles they will have to do some more work, there will be equivalent APIs on both systems.

I don't agree with the all how would some feel if some others get a better deal.

Would it not be like buying a new GPU with DX12 support and then steam expecting you to pay for to upgrade all of your already owned games to utilise it?

No, not the same. You are not running the old version on new hardware, you are getting a new version for new hardware.

Mark Hamill

Cordell wrote: »

Even if it's the same features there is a different GPU and a totally different API on the PS5, so yes, there will be development and QA work needed to bring the existing RT and DLSS features from PC to consoles. I'm going to stop defending them, as myself I was doing it for free but just wanted to make this point, that is not exactly reasonable to expect stuff for free.

Even if it is already paid for by those buying the ultimate edition for the next-gen consoles? They are doing all of this work anyway for the dedicated next-gen releases.

Cordell wrote: »

You paid for the current gen version, you got the current gen version, why do you feel that you need to get another version for another platform for free?

Because it's just a graphical upgrade for a new iteration of the same platform (PS4-PS5 or Xbox1-Xbox X)?
Would it not be like buying a new GPU with DX12 support and then steam expecting you to pay for to upgrade all of your already owned games to utilise it?

Azza

"Even if it's the same features there is a different GPU and a totally different API on the PS5, so yes, there will be development and QA work needed to bring the existing RT and DLSS features from PC to consoles."

DLSS and the current RT implementation is Nvidia specific. AMD would have to come up with their own equivalents and the developer would then have to implement them if those are the features they want to run on next gen consoles, though we don't know what enhancements will be used yet. No guarantee either of these features would be implemented.

If those features are coming yes there would be development costs involved but it also opens the possibility of an update for AMD GPU users on PC. I'm wondering how AMD PC gamers would feel if they where told an update was coming for the game but those who had already bought the non enhanced edition would have to pay for the game again to get them. If they did charge for an update it would be seen the as the developers punishing AMD users over Nvidia. If AMD users get a free update, why should they get it free over console users?

"why do you feel that you need to get another version for another platform for free? "

The issue is why do specific current gen users get the update on another platform for free and other users, users who supported the developers from the beginning and payed more as a result not get the update for free.

At the very least an extremely cheap upgrade path should be offered to those users no more than €10 but really it should be more like €5.

At the moment it just seems like an underhand method to force people to double dip.

Cordell

Even if it's the same features there is a different GPU and a totally different API on the PS5, so yes, there will be development and QA work needed to bring the existing RT and DLSS features from PC to consoles. I'm going to stop defending them, as myself I was doing it for free

but just wanted to make this point, that is not exactly reasonable to expect stuff for free. You paid for the current gen version, you got the current gen version, why do you feel that you need to get another version for another platform for free?

Mark Hamill

Cordell wrote: »

Because it's not the same, on the PC you turn on options that are already implemented and tested and already shipped with the game. You already paid for them, they are not free, you pay for the RT/DLSS implementation costs even if you run in on AMD GPU.

Next gen console ports will need actual development to implement RT support, they will need to tweak settings and go through QA again, they need to ship the new ports digitally, all this is at a cost that was not covered initially. Why do you want them to cover it?

Is there any indication that they are going to implement anything in terms of graphics that is not already in the PC version?
If no, then the next gen upgrade charge is just for them play-testing the best settings for on the PS5/XBox X?
And won't this will be paid for anyway by those who buy the game for the first time on the next gen consoles?
Will they not make their money back if no-one who already owns the game on current consoles buys the upgrade?

Markitron

It is kind of a dick move, but the fact that it released a full year ago is their saving grace. I personally don't feel that I am entitled to a PS5 version for free.

Optimalprimerib wrote: »

While it may be a cheeky move by the publisher, how offended can I be as I sit on my hands waiting for it to be included on game pass before I "buy".

Its on Playstation now, if you have a PS4 you can just sign up for the 7-day trial and download it today.

Optimalprimerib

While it may be a cheeky move by the publisher, how offended can I be as I sit on my hands waiting for it to be included on game pass before I "buy".

Potential-Monke

recyclops wrote: »

Alan wake was brilliant. The nods to it in control were brill too and the original dlc was also great. Nearly worth picking up a 360 to play both if ya ain't got a pc.

This. I'm hoping to be able to finally upgrade the GPU in the coming couple of months, so I'll have a hop off this and Quantum Break (which is also possibly in the same RCU?!), because I'd imagine like above the AWE dlc will be lost on me otherwise.

Would be interested to hear from someone who does play the AWE dlc but hasn't played Alan Wake. I think it would be mad to be very connected to it considering a lot of people may never have played Alan Wake. Like Zero, I was hoping for an Alan Wake remaster across all platforms, but it didn't happen, and doesn't look like it will.

recyclops

Alan wake was brilliant. The nods to it in control were brill too and the original dlc was also great. Nearly worth picking up a 360 to play both if ya ain't got a pc.

Zero-Cool

Penn wrote: »

It interested me at the time but I never pulled the trigger. Might buy the ps5 version alright. Know nothing of Alan Wake so whatever part of the dlc or references to him etc are going to be pretty lost on me.

I was really hoping for an Alan Wake remaster was going to be announced for ps4/ps5. Never got to play it but sounded like my cup of tee. Would make me but control again and the season pass.

Penn

It interested me at the time but I never pulled the trigger. Might buy the ps5 version alright. Know nothing of Alan Wake so whatever part of the dlc or references to him etc are going to be pretty lost on me.

Potential-Monke

Fair point. But I'll give Remedy a pass on this. To me it was a fantastic, unique game (all games are technically the same, this one just ticked all the right boxes for me). I'll definitely buy it again, but having platinumed it I'll wait a while, and I really hope there will be more, they've built an amazing world which I'm massively looking forward to exploring more of.

Be a different story if it was the usual cronies of EA, 2K, etc who did something like this.

Penn

Potential-Monke wrote: »

Didn't Sony only implement the requirement that PS4 games must be able to run on the PS5 from July of this year. And Control came out last year, so they do have to do additional work to get it to a PS5 version. I don't see anything wrong with it. I'll pick up the Ultimate Edition when it's on sale and get the PS5 version then at some stage, as I haven't played the DLC and it's still too soon to play through it again for me. Companies that have already said they will be giving the PS5 version for free are mostly games that aren't out yet?

I think the issue is if you bought the normal version of Control and then the DLCs, they'll be playable on PS5 (using whatever automatic upscaling is available), but only those who bought the Ultimate Edition can upgrade for free to the PS5 version which is specially optimised for PS5 (and will therefore run/perform better than the upscaled version).

It's essentially punishing those who supported the game early. I don't think it's huge issue, but it's still a bad move by the publishers (who I assume are behind the decision).

Potential-Monke

Didn't Sony only implement the requirement that PS4 games must be able to run on the PS5 from July of this year. And Control came out last year, so they do have to do additional work to get it to a PS5 version. I don't see anything wrong with it. I'll pick up the Ultimate Edition when it's on sale and get the PS5 version then at some stage, as I haven't played the DLC and it's still too soon to play through it again for me. Companies that have already said they will be giving the PS5 version for free are mostly games that aren't out yet?

Mr Crispy

Dick move, 100%.

Penn

johnny_ultimate wrote: »

Not that this is acceptable or anything - indeed, it’s a pretty cheeky move - but I’d say 505 Games probably had more to do with this decision than Remedy!

Zero question thought that at the very least those who’ve picked up the expansions separately should be entitled to the upgrade. Would be great if the core game owners got it too, but certainly for those who own everything that’s in the ultimate edition should get the next gen version... particularly when the current gen version was quite shaky.

I'd agree. The PS Store can easily recognise if someone has bought the game and DLCs separately. It even marks 'Ultimate Editions' as unavailable if you already own the main game because you'd be buying the game twice. So it should be able to recognise if you've bought the game and DLCs (and therefore the equivalent of the Ultimate Edition) and make the upgrade available to you.

johnny_ultimate

Cordell wrote: »

Next gen console ports will need actual development to implement RT support, they will need to tweak settings and go through QA again, they need to ship the new ports digitally, all this is at a cost that was not covered initially. Why do you want them to cover it?

Nobody could deny a next gen version will take some extra investment, but I think what stings here that people who’ve gone out of their way to support the game at full price and bought the DLC are being a bit hard done by. In an ideal world, you’d like to see those folk treated well when there are ‘free’ next-gen upgrades being offered up.