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2020 the battle of the septuagenarians - Trump vs Biden, Part 2

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[Deleted User]

da_miser wrote: »

Kamala has a terrible reputation with the African American community, she aint going to win that vote, here she is with her family, this wont impress the African Americans, and Joes is a certainty to say something off script about them if he gets away from his handlers for a few minutes.
Im amazed by this pick

Why do you think her family will affect the African American vote? If it's because her partner is white, that's probably more of a reflection of you tbh...

Leroy42

da_miser wrote: »

Kamala has a terrible reputation with the African American community, she aint going to win that vote, here she is with her family, this wont impress the African Americans, and Joes is a certainty to say something off script about them if he gets away from his handlers for a few minutes.
Im amazed by this pick

Why do you think that picture would put off African Americans?

And for comparison, please put up a picture of Trump and his family and explain how that is going to win their vote.

ohnonotgmail

Leroy42 wrote: »

Why do you think that picture would put off African Americans?

And for comparison, please put up a picture of Trump and his family and explain how that is going to win their vote.

or pence and his family. you dont get more WASP than them.

Eric Cartman

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

or pence and his family. you dont get more WASP than them.

WASP’ness helps republicans, it hurts democrats as does having a white partner , If barack obamas wife was a white blonde woman he wouldnt have done nearly as well in 08 , the people who vote for the identity candidate (which lets be honest was what biden wanted in a VP) won’t like this

ollkiller

Eric Cartman wrote: »

I haven't been part of the 'dementia' racket.

also I prefer creepy Joe to sleepy Joe :pac:

my original post should have also contained :pac: to show its a funny.

So if you prefer Creepy Joe what nickname would you give to a man accused of the rape of a 13 year old girl. Court documents were provided earlier in this thread outlining the frankly disgusting accusations. Co defendants are Trump and Epstein.

ollkiller

da_miser wrote: »

Kamala has a terrible reputation with the African American community, she aint going to win that vote, here she is with her family, this wont impress the African Americans, and Joes is a certainty to say something off script about them if he gets away from his handlers for a few minutes.
Im amazed by this pick

Looks like a happy family. How in God's name would that picture out anyone off. The mind boggles.

1800_Ladladlad

Kamala Harris said that she believes the women who accused Biden of sexually inappropriate behavior, where is the outrage and whaling sounds of the women and the feminists of me too, Belive her and times up movement. Harris being chosen considering her history, just shows the hypocrisy of it all and how delusional that side are.

dwayneshintzy

Eric Cartman wrote: »

I think any path to a Biden victory is going to have to exclude Florida. With the proportion of elderly and Jews in Florida Im going to solidly commit that to Donald Trump. One of the first elections in a while where that won't be a swing state.

Any reason you think it won't be competitive?

538 has it down as 50-44 in Biden's favor currently; https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/polls/florida/

ohnonotgmail

Eric Cartman wrote: »

WASP’ness helps republicans, it hurts democrats as does having a white partner , If barack obamas wife was a white blonde woman he wouldnt have done nearly as well in 08 , the people who vote for the identity candidate (which lets be honest was what biden wanted in a VP) won’t like this

do you have a source supporting your position that having a white husband will harm the campaign?

dwayneshintzy

Eric Cartman wrote: »

WASP’ness helps republicans, it hurts democrats as does having a white partner , If barack obamas wife was a white blonde woman he wouldnt have done nearly as well in 08 , the people who vote for the identity candidate (which lets be honest was what biden wanted in a VP) won’t like this

Identity candidate?

So is anyone apart from a white male an "identity candidate"? Are white men the only candidates who are judged based on their qualities?

Eric Cartman

dwayneshintzy wrote: »

Identity candidate?

So is anyone apart from a white male an "identity candidate"? Are white men the only candidates who are judged based on their qualities?

Biden said his VP would be a woman , so already he started with an identity candidate, there has been numerous publications that have championed choosing harris purely under the guise of getting the black vote, the woman vote etc...

I do believe she's a good candidate , but I think the selection process went --> any woman ---> minority woman ---> Harris and they just got lucky she actually was a decent qualified candidate.

Beasty

Hector Savage wrote: »

I wonder will the media be on a witchhunt for an impeachment over his dementia ?

If you have any proof of this please provide it, otherwise drop it

ArmaniJeanss

Just in case anyone doesn't know and/or is confused, the two kids in the photo aren't Kamela Harris's. They are the husbands children from his previous marriage.

duploelabs

Eric Cartman wrote: »

Biden said his VP would be a woman , so already he started with an identity candidate, there has been numerous publications that have championed choosing harris purely under the guise of getting the black vote, the woman vote etc...

I do believe she's a good candidate , but I think the selection process went --> any woman ---> minority woman ---> Harris and they just got lucky she actually was a decent qualified candidate.

So her being a front runner in the presidential race initially, a senator, a former state AG, and a brilliant debater (see her vs barr) has nothing to do with it?

da_miser

Leroy42 wrote: »

Why do you think that picture would put off African Americans?

And for comparison, please put up a picture of Trump and his family and explain how that is going to win their vote.

She is fake, LARPING as a African American Christian to try get them to vote for her, that did not work out well for African Americans when she had power in California did it?
She has jailed many African Americans, while she and her White Jewish family know nothing of what it is to be African American.
Fool me ones shame on you , fool me twice shame on me, African Americans have been taken for granted by the Dems, i dont see them falling for it this time, big mistake picking her.
Absolute Trump victory in November, the middle are sick of the Dems pandering to the Antifa types, both black and white want law and order, Kamela wont get the black vote, it will be a Trump landslide, no doubt about it.

[Deleted User]

Eric Cartman wrote: »

WASP’ness helps republicans, it hurts democrats as does having a white partner , If barack obamas wife was a white blonde woman he wouldnt have done nearly as well in 08 , the people who vote for the identity candidate (which lets be honest was what biden wanted in a VP) won’t like this

Erm, you'll have to provide proof for your claims. Mixed race couples aren't generally an issue outside of Republican circles. Here's a poll from Gallup back in 2013, 96% of non-Hispanic black people are fine with mixed race couples. Can you show an electoral candidate that negatively got affected because their partner was white?

https://news.gallup.com/poll/163697/approve-marriage-blacks-whites.aspx

Sonics2k

Eric Cartman wrote: »

Biden said his VP would be a woman , so already he started with an identity candidate, there has been numerous publications that have championed choosing harris purely under the guise of getting the black vote, the woman vote etc...

I do believe she's a good candidate , but I think the selection process went --> any woman ---> minority woman ---> Harris and they just got lucky she actually was a decent qualified candidate.

Now, I'm no fan of Harris, but I love that you've reduced all of her previous accomplishments as a person, politician, debater and orator down to the fact that she is a POC and a woman.

Timberrrrrrrr

Sonics2k wrote: »

Now, I'm no fan of Harris, but I love that you've reduced all of her previous accomplishments as a person, politician, debater and orator down to the fact that she is a POC and a woman.

The sad thing is that many die hard R voters will only see this and will have no interest in her accomplishments.

salmocab

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

The sad thing is that many die hard R voters will only see this and will have no interest in her accomplishments.

They wouldn’t change their minds no matter what anyway.

Quin_Dub

da_miser wrote: »

She is fake, LARPING as a African American Christian to try get them to vote for her, that did not work out well for African Americans when she had power in California did it?
She has jailed many African Americans, while she and her White Jewish family know nothing of what it is to be African American.
Fool me ones shame on you , fool me twice shame on me, African Americans have been taken for granted by the Dems, i dont see them falling for it this time, big mistake picking her.
Absolute Trump victory in November, the middle are sick of the Dems pandering to the Antifa types, both black and white want law and order, Kamela wont get the black vote, it will be a Trump landslide, no doubt about it.

She is NOT African American nor has she ever claimed to be.

Not All Black Americans are African American , Not all African Americans are Black

As an example - Elon Musk is African-American.

She is what she is.

Indian American AND Afro-Caribbean American - They are not mutually exclusive.

It would also seem that her selection has gone down very well with the grass-roots

Biden running mate news triggers "best grassroots fundraising day ever"

More than $10.8 million was donated in four hours after Sen. Kamala Harris was announced as presumptive Democratic presidential nominee Joe Biden's running mate Tuesday, the Democrats' main donation-processing platform ActBlue said, per the New York Times.

ollkiller

da_miser wrote: »

She is fake, LARPING as a African American Christian to try get them to vote for her, that did not work out well for African Americans when she had power in California did it?
She has jailed many African Americans, while she and her White Jewish family know nothing of what it is to be African American.
Fool me ones shame on you , fool me twice shame on me, African Americans have been taken for granted by the Dems, i dont see them falling for it this time, big mistake picking her.
Absolute Trump victory in November, the middle are sick of the Dems pandering to the Antifa types, both black and white want law and order, Kamela wont get the black vote, it will be a Trump landslide, no doubt about it.

Well your hero Trump claims the bible is his favourite book but when asked to recite any verse he says "No thats personal". Ya right. He cant recite one because he is as much a christian as i am from Mars.

Manic Moran

I find it interesting that most people are arguing over her merits and response to her because of her ethnicity, whereas I would suspect that most folks in OH, PA etc will be more likely to view her through the prism of being an elected official from one of the most liberal cities in one of the most liberal states. And though folks may well mock the "radical left" namecalling, she does come in as the 4th-most liberal Senator in the chamber, after only Senators from MA, HI and OR.
https://progressivepunch.org/scores.htm?house=senate&fbclid=IwAR359y54KTaE57VKtaqamXbMlTufqYHZf0nYx-awsTQHGhjpCfsp_HjPEqs

That said, given that the choice of VP rarely has any particular influence over the vote for President (So why are people making a big deal out of this?) the net result doesn't seem particularly critical.

da_miser

With the money in the bank with the Kamala VP winning bet, i just had to go for it, at worst i only make €10 on it.
There is no doubt in my mind Joe is fading mentally, his handlers are doing everything to keep him from the public eye, he only comes out of his basement to do puff piece easy interviews and he still does not look good.
He will be totally exposed in a debate, the Dems cant let that happen, if he dont debate, the Dems become a laughing stock and a fraud, so i can see Joe "catching" Covid19 and stepping aside to let Kamela take the Dems nomination, we will find out soon enough, but the odds where too tempting, 25/1 up to 28/1with a power up, i had to gamble.
€1450 coming my way if i'm correct and only €10 profit if i'm wrong.

Mod: Quit it with the betting soundbites.

timsey tiger

Eric Cartman wrote: »

Biden said his VP would be a woman , so already he started with an identity candidate, there has been numerous publications that have championed choosing harris purely under the guise of getting the black vote, the woman vote etc...

I do believe she's a good candidate , but I think the selection process went --> any woman ---> minority woman ---> Harris and they just got lucky she actually was a decent qualified candidate.

So, what. It's always thus. Biden got picked as an older white man with government experience to balance out Obama's youth, race and lack of experience.

Pence, bible basher to balance out Trumps godlessness, though this is impossible.

She's better than Palin anyway, low bar I know.

[Deleted User]

Ya, you're not gonna be winning that bet..... They're not going to change the nominee when there's only 83 days remaining until the election and the candidate is polling incredibly well. :rolleyes:

Penn

Deleted User wrote: »

Ya, you're not gonna be winning that bet..... They're not going to change the nominee when there's only 83 days remaining until the election and the candidate is polling incredibly well. :rolleyes:

I think the bet is based on if Biden got Covid-19 and died or was debilitated enough that he had to give up the nomination so Harris becomes the nominee.

It is an outside possibility given his age and the amount of travelling, meeting people etc that will happen as part of the campaign. I'm sure there'll be daily tests for everyone close to him and people he's due to meet, but it is still a possibility.

[Deleted User]

Penn wrote: »

I think the bet is based on if Biden got Covid-19 and died or was debilitated enough that he had to give up the nomination so Harris becomes the nominee.

It is an outside possibility given his age and the amount of travelling, meeting people etc that will happen as part of the campaign. I'm sure there'll be daily tests for everyone close to him and people he's due to meet, but it is still a possibility.

Based on their previous postings, I think they actively think there'll just be a switch out because of the dementia conspiracy. :pac:

Leroy42

This Biden will not debate or will drop out reminds me of the way the Dems through about Trump in 2016. THey were sure HC would destroy him in the debates and he would drop out.

Of course we all know that since they set the expectations so low, anything other than a total disaster was then used by Trump to proclaim he had actually won the debates.

Are the GOP falling into the same trap. By building up Bidens apparent mental issues, if he comes out even relatively sane and together this will blow a massive hole in their campaign strategy. Basically all Biden has to do to continue to lead is not die or mentally collapse. WHich to be fair both candidates run the risk of given the virus and their age.

timsey tiger

statesaver wrote: »

Does she still think Biden is racist ?

Any chance of evidence that she ever thought he was racist?

Sonics2k

timsey tiger wrote: »

Any chance of evidence that she ever thought he was racist?

Just to quash it now, before the usual suspects show up with hearsay.

She did not call him a racist but she did rightfully call out some of his previous work, namely around busing students.