castletownman wrote: » That story about the SF member at local level in Wexford having to resign his chairmanship after being caught cyber abusing a local politican and businessman using a fake twitter account is crazy. I have heard a recording of him basically been exposed and the amount of denying he does initially would make Adams proud. I know the fella a bit too. And he always came across as a bit brash and assholey.
jm08 wrote: » No, the Denis Faul who passed on this information of a rumour (from State papers).https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/mcguinness-did-work-for-british-faul-26413586.html The devil is in the detail SS. Will you ever learn?
FrancieBrady wrote: » Whoa a minute there JM, should his/her first lesson be in 'what and how could nationalists do about it'. Dublin stood idly by and watched Unionists change the voting system to allow them to gerrymander and legislate nationalists out of influence while London ignored it. What is alarmingly evident in these discussions is that when posters do eventually add something to the discussion it is so poorly informed to be laughable.
jm08 wrote: » Well, you do know what happened when they started the civil rights campaign - 13 were shot in Derry by the Paras. Frank Aiken was fairly active in the Civil War up around south armagh and Louth. Ever hear of the Altnaveigh Massacre?
jm08 wrote: » Well, you do know what happened when they started the civil rights campaign - 13 were shot in Derry by the Paras.
Edgware wrote: » Its always someone elses fault. What did the Nationalists do to improve their situation for fifty years? Sit on their arse1 and complain about Dublin. In any case during the War of Independence the level of I.R.A. activity in what is now the six counties was far less than down the South. Were they afraid to upset the Unionists?
Yeah_Right wrote: » Mate, you started with the hyperbolic stuff; a left wing Josef Fritzl vs a right wing Florence Nightingale? A serial killer paedophile? I simply carried that to its logical conclusion.
Ok, so young adults are being screwed by the system according to you. I can accept that as a point of view. Revolution? Violent overthrow of the government? Murders and terrorists in charge? Simply because you get promised what you want. That is BS. How about that demographic stop complaining and get involved. It is a democracy. Get out there and get elected and make the changes you want.
Also, are you my step son? 😆
SafeSurfer wrote: » The same Denis Faul who passed on information to the Irish government claiming Gerry Adams was responsible for passing information to the British which resulted in the Loughgall massacre and who also told journalists he believed Martin Mc Guinness was a British mole. That Denis Faul?
A document released today by the Department of Foreign Affairs shows that Fr Denis Faul said there was a rumour doing the rounds that "the IRA team were set up by Gerry Adams himself."Fr Faul was "intrigued" by the theory. A spokesperson for Sinn Féin has today told RTÉ that "these claims are utter nonsense".
Godson does not reveal whether Faul told him any other names. But to be fair to McGuinness, it is not clear whether Faul believed McGuinness was an active agent of British intelligence, or an "agent of influence" in the more acceptable sense that he agreed with the peace process - which both the British and Irish governments were jointly pushing then as now. But coming from such solid sources as Godson and Faul, the allegations will increase pressure on the Provos to sign up for policing.
jm08 wrote: » John Hume was fairly scathing about the south over the years and their lack of effort to help nationalists in NI. They were abandoned for the first 50 years. He was the one that drove the peace and he was the one who devised how to do it (by getting the US politicians involved). I'd recommend you watching that video of Hume in America which is now on the RTE player at the moment.https://www.rte.ie/player/movie/john-hume-in-america-s1-e1/78385704430 A memomorable comment from Fr Denis Faul after the Warrington Bombing which is critical of the south about not caring about catholic children being burnt in their beds. A few more here to that atrocity. https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/the-angry-south-the-weary-north-irish-people-voice-their-feelings-on-the-horrors-of-the-iras-1500451.html None of those nationalists from NI sounded like they felt the south was doing a lot for them and their situation.https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/the-angry-south-the-weary-north-irish-people-voice-their-feelings-on-the-horrors-of-the-iras-1500451.html
Superfoods wrote: » No Francie, I know nothing. You seem to be the only man in Ireland who knows everything about the PIRA and Sinn Fein. For a first time voter, incredible knowledge.As I said in my original post, its the same lads, the same links with Sinn Fein and doing the same things. Just sticking dissidents in front of them to cover the links to PIRA which is now gone
FrancieBrady wrote: » That article is about 'dissidents' who didn't sign up to the GFA. They exist alright and are a threat. They are diametrically opposed to SF. Are you sure you know what you are talking about here?
Superfoods wrote: » No idea what part of border you live on but this was 2016: https://www.thejournal.ie/ira-fuel-smugglers-3073951-Nov2016/ More recent: https://www.irishmirror.ie/news/irish-news/crime/ira-north-korea-green-diesel-14626711 Plenty more diesel been washed around the area, if you do live on the border I'm sure you will know the list of garage only the tourists will visit the locals stay away. That's just the stuff they got caught at. Do you just say they are not active because they don't kill people anymore?
FrancieBrady wrote: » That is what I have been seeing for years now.
Truthvader wrote: » FrancieBrady wrote: » Well do enlighten us, what evidence do you have to show us that the IRA are still operating. Ehhhhhh.........why do I have to keep posting the same link? The Garda Commissioner has confirmed that the IRA still control Sinn Fein (Mary Lou, the bloated glove puppet, notwithstanding). That's good enough for me - even without all the posters here reporting the local Sinn Fein /IRA protection rackets and criminality. Francie, did you ever report all that criminality in your area?https://www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-and-law/what-evidence-is-there-that-the-ira-still-controls-sinn-f%C3%A9in-1.4182679 What does your link say about the IRA operationally? it is not actively recruiting and that its leadership is committed to achieving a united Ireland through peaceful means. That is what I have been seeing for years now.
FrancieBrady wrote: » Well do enlighten us, what evidence do you have to show us that the IRA are still operating. Ehhhhhh.........why do I have to keep posting the same link? The Garda Commissioner has confirmed that the IRA still control Sinn Fein (Mary Lou, the bloated glove puppet, notwithstanding). That's good enough for me - even without all the posters here reporting the local Sinn Fein /IRA protection rackets and criminality. Francie, did you ever report all that criminality in your area?https://www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-and-law/what-evidence-is-there-that-the-ira-still-controls-sinn-f%C3%A9in-1.4182679
it is not actively recruiting and that its leadership is committed to achieving a united Ireland through peaceful means.
Truthvader wrote: » FrancieBrady wrote: » Well do enlighten us, what evidence do you have to show us that the IRA are still operating. Ehhhhhh.........why do I have to keep posting the same link? The Garda Commissioner has confirmed that the IRA still control Sinn Fein (Mary Lou, the bloated glove puppet, notwithstanding). That's good enough for me - even without all the posters here reporting the local Sinn Fein /IRA protection rackets and criminality. Francie, did you ever report all that criminality in your area?https://www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-and-law/what-evidence-is-there-that-the-ira-still-controls-sinn-f%C3%A9in-1.4182679 Final quote from that link: These contradictions aside, there is one overarching conclusion reached by every report published in the last 15 years – the IRA’s military campaign is a thing of the past and is highly unlikely to return.
These contradictions aside, there is one overarching conclusion reached by every report published in the last 15 years – the IRA’s military campaign is a thing of the past and is highly unlikely to return.
SafeSurfer wrote: » If you don’t believe the IRA are still operating, when do you believe they ceased operating?
hatrickpatrick wrote: » While the hyperbole here is palpable, I think you're oddly close to getting it, actually. Revolutions happen when people are pushed too far. The manner in which Irish youth have been thrown under the bus by the establishment over the course of this decade has created a dangerous powder keg, and the kind of "we want someone to stop the crushing of us, we don't care who it is as long as they do it" mentality I've described is the result of that. Glenn Greenwald summed it up beautifully in the context of Trump and Brexit, and again I know I'm repeating myself here but this quote is in my view central to understanding what's really going on:One of the things that is bothering me and bothered me about the Brexit debate, and is bothering me a huge about the Trump debate, is that there is zero elite reckoning with their own responsibility in creating the situation that led to both Brexit and Trump and then the broader collapse of elite authority. The reason why Brexit resonated and Trump resonated isn’t that people are too stupid to understand the arguments. The reason they resonated is that people have been so f*cked by the prevailing order in such deep and fundamental and enduring ways that they can't imagine that anything is worse than preservation of the status quo. You have this huge portion of the populace in both the U.K. and the U.S. that is so angry and so helpless that they view exploding things without any idea of what the resulting debris is going to be to be preferable to having things continue, and the people they view as having done this to them to continue in power. That is a really serious and dangerous and not completely invalid perception that a lot of people who spend their days scorning Trump and his supporters or Brexit played a great deal in creating. You can call that immoral if you like, I call it natural. When people are pushed to the point of desperation, lashing out in this manner is the inevitable result. Even if you believe it to be immoral or selfish, what you're still refusing to accept is that it's the establishment's OWN FAULT that this is happening. They chose to pursue policies which benefitted the property investor class over the young for the past twenty years. They chose to tell young people to go f*ck themselves when those young people objected to seeing their quality of life obliterated. They even chose to go on a classic "the voters are just too stupid to understand how our policies which have ruined their lives are actually good for them" ranting rampage in the immediate aftermath of the election. Maybe next time, they could choose to pursue policies which will reverse the destruction of that demographic's quality of life, or else stop f*cking b!tching about the basic fact of democracy which is that voters will not vote for politicians whose ideology intentionally hurts those voters? Yes, those voters prioritise reversing the decline in their quality of life which FG's "recovery" has brought them over every other political issue. How atrociously horrible of them.
FrancieBrady wrote: » Well do enlighten us, what evidence do you have to show us that the IRA are still operating. Not arguing, giving my opinion like everyone else.
markodaly wrote: » If that was the actual case, I would have some respect for them, but they are not. The SD's may be like that, maybe Labour, even the Greens, but SF are nothing more than a reactionary populist rabble, whole will float like the wind.
Come what may? Even though they have spent records amount of taxpayers money on Health, education and housing in budget 2019... nevermind the €30 Billion more of a deficit we have to plug by years end, most of it being used to prop up welfare and small businesses?
People make out that FG are this ultra-right-wing party, who cut and cut and cut to the bone but they are not. If you look at the facts, the spending, the increased amount going into various departments, over the last few years it's astonishing really, that people think they are like that.
But I guess when you have others like PBP or SF who are never ever satisfied with government spending, then FG is this right-wing party, but this is Ireland, where perception rules reality.
Truthvader wrote: » Not sure this is correct. There is no right wing party in Ireland. FF and FG are outdoing one another in left wing redistribution of wealth and are struggling with housing and health which are now seen as "rights" A right wing government would merely supply some infrastructure and a courts system - after that you would be on your own to get your own house and pay your own medical bills. All of Europe is pretty much left wing at the moment. The only limiting factor is that FF/FG have some vague realisation that someone has to pay for it all. Sinn Fein are more of an old style fascist party awash with populist slogans and promises of whatever you want forever unconnected to any reality. Certainly with no idea that anyone would pay for anything over and above "the rich" If we had a right wing government the rest of us wouldn't be paying for the houses most of their members live in for kick off.
Truthvader wrote: » 100% absolute falsity and nonsense. The situation in Northern Ireland consumed domestic politics from 1969 onwards. Apart from mistakes such as the "arms trial" effort to add more guns to the situation every administration put huge effort into finding and implementing any solution that would distract Gerry Adams and the crew from their dedication to murder and savagery as a solution or would persuade the unionist majority either to consider a united Ireland or some kind of power sharing arrangement. The united Ireland solution was put back 100 years by the campaign of murder while the "power sharing" has largely failed as the two sides are not enthusiastic to share anything. At least the murder campaign seems to be over. What the Sinn Fein cheer leaders probably mean is that FF/FG did not support the Sinn Fein/IRA blood and death "solution" in some kind of military adventure. This of course worked out so well for the Argentinians in 1982
'The woman leading the peace moves in Dublin is very sincere and deserves the height of praise. The sympathy for the Warrington parents is very good and warming and I share it. But this could all have an adverse effect. The politics of the last atrocity is a very bad basis for a peace movement. Next week there could be Catholic children burnt in their beds in Belfast . . . Will there be flowers for them? There have been so many children killed here, wtih plastic bullets and so on, and nobody in Dublin sent flowers. You must have parity of protest, parity of sympathy, parity of compassion. We could have done with some of that sympathy. You can't have a partial peace movement.' Fr Denis Faul, Tyrone priest and IRA critic.
'It will not make much difference in Northern Ireland, I don't think. In a sense the outrage at the children being killed only reminds us here of the number of our children that have been killed, with no outrage in England for them. 'I know it sounds hardhearted, but we have had more outrages than people can remember or even count . . . We have a surfeit of killing - you either topple over with emotion or you block out. Generally we block it out . . . What's happening in Dublin is the distancing of southern Ireland from Northern Ireland . . . They almost view all of us in Northern Ireland now as savages, uncivilised. They don't react to deaths here now. They feel that England doesn't deserve it - but in a sense they feel that we deserve it.' - Senior Catholic community worker in Northern Ireland.
'The Provos I meet are deeply embarrassed by Warrington, they clearly wish it hadn't happened and they don't want to talk about it. 'In the south there has been a growing feeling that they wish the north would float off into the North Sea and sink. It's a mixture of feelings: partly guilt, that this is being done in their name; a fear that it might spread to the south; a general wish to be rid of the thing. 'They more and more resent the part the north plays in the politics of Ireland. They want to concentrate on the economic issues, and the north seems more and more of a foreign problem, extraneous to them.' Catholic schoolteacher, West Belfast.
Superfoods wrote: » Your asleep at the wheel mate
You are spending a lot of time arguing with everyone on here for just a new Sinn Fein supporter. Even the most hardened supporters in my area wouldn't stick up for them as much as you are. They are "lifers" as well
Yeah_Right wrote: » Going by what you have written here, this young generation of SF voters have no morals. They don't care about anyone but themselves. As long as a party gives them what they want, that party could line up everyone else and have them shot. Maybe they will start with capitalists, then journalists. Who would be next? I guess that explains why they would vote for SF. After all SF thought murder and terrorism was a legitimate means to an end. Is that the next step? Free houses or bombs go off! Random shootings until healthcare improves!
FrancieBrady wrote: » I live right smack on the border and if I thought the IRA was still active SF would not have gotten my vote in the last election...simple as that. I never supported the IRA during the conflict/war much less support them after the GFA was signed up to.
FrancieBrady wrote: » There was quite a long discussion on that on the thread in question. Where I come from if you were to go into the north to shop and picked up a loaf of bread to make a quick joke, the likelihood it would be a Kingsmill product would be extremely high given it is a popular product in areas of the north.
FrancieBrady wrote: » I have never contended that SF are whiter than white, NEVER.
FrancieBrady wrote: » Gosh, you are going for this line of defence too like JH39. No, mark, it is based on countless incidents where he has come across as being cold and insensitive leading to feeling that he lacks empathy.
FrancieBrady wrote: » So when you comment on McElduff...you have 'intimate knowledge' of his state of mind at the time? Or intimate knowledge of his biological make up if you are still talking about 'physiological' stuff.
