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PlayStation 5 - Now with FAQ in OP.

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Mark Cerny has been showing off the dev kit:

https://www.wired.com/story/exclusive-sony-next-gen-console

PS5 FAQ:
https://blog.playstation.com/2020/11/09/ps5-the-ultimate-faq/#sf239758641

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recyclops

billybonkers wrote: »

Looks like the real winners could be PS5 owners who already have a somewhat competent PC to use MS Gamepass on.

Get the PS5 console and play the MS games on PC Gamepass for next to nothing.

Thats its in a nutshell and seemingly MS plan, get people on the cheaper to build model of their platform and say here is all the games you can play for next to nothing and build a significant market share. People now wait for games to appear on free with gold or gamepass, unless its a significant release.

Sony seem to be banking on the significant releases selling the consoles but then the money dries up unless of course your crazy enough to be paying one subscription for a great service and another for a poor one.

The real winner is the consumer is loves gaming as a hobby/ medium, we really are spoiled with MS pretty much flawless method of delivering games and sonys whilst limited but excellent exclusives that make their consoles necessary.

we really get our monies worth.

ahnowbrowncow

recyclops wrote: »

Thats its in a nutshell and seemingly MS plan, get people on the cheaper to build model of their platform and say here is all the games you can play for next to nothing and build a significant market share. People now wait for games to appear on free with gold or gamepass, unless its a significant release.

Sony seem to be banking on the significant releases selling the consoles but then the money dries up unless of course your crazy enough to be paying one subscription for a great service and another for a poor one.

The real winner is the consumer is loves gaming as a hobby/ medium, we really are spoiled with MS pretty much flawless method of delivering games and sonys whilst limited but excellent exclusives that make their consoles necessary.

we really get our monies worth.

I wouldn't agree with calling ps plus a poor service. I've had no issues with it and play online regualrly and for €40 a year PS plus is very good value.

This year I've got these four quality games for 'free' that aren't available on xbox.

Fall Guys: Ultimate Knockout
Shadow of the Colossus
Uncharted: The Nathan Drake Collection
Uncharted 4: A Thief's End

I would have spent €20 on Fall Guys alone. And then there's the numerous AAA multi platform titles included too.

For people with limited time, they choose quality games over quantity of games. In that regard there's nothing that entices me towards game pass or an Xbox.

gibgodsman

ahnowbrowncow wrote: »

I wouldn't agree with calling ps plus a poor service. I've had no issues with it and play online regualrly and for €40 a year PS plus is very good value.

This year I've got these four quality games for 'free' that aren't available on xbox.
Fall Guys: Ultimate Knockout

Shadow of the Colossus

Uncharted: The Nathan Drake Collection

Uncharted 4: A Thief's End

I would have spent €20 on Fall Guys alone. And then there's the numerous AAA multi platform titles included too.

For people with limited time, they choose quality games over quantity of games. In that regard there's nothing that entices me towards game pass or an Xbox.

I am Ps4 all the way, but suggesting Quality over Quantity in terms of Free games with Ps Plus is just silly, Xbox Game Pass has literally ever 1st party game available from release as well as a huge library of AAA games, they have both quality and quantity. Ps Plus gives you 2 games a month, most of which are that old you more than likely got them 3-4 years ago.

I ain't suggesting Ps Plus is Bad, but I would not call it good either, You combine Game Pass with a PC for instance, 4 quid a month to play anygame without a sub to play them online too, Microsoft wins that hands down

recyclops

ahnowbrowncow wrote: »

I wouldn't agree with calling ps plus a poor service. I've had no issues with it and play online regualrly and for €40 a year PS plus is very good value.

This year I've got these four quality games for 'free' that aren't available on xbox.
Fall Guys: Ultimate Knockout

Shadow of the Colossus

Uncharted: The Nathan Drake Collection

Uncharted 4: A Thief's End

I would have spent €20 on Fall Guys alone. And then there's the numerous AAA multi platform titles included too.

For people with limited time, they choose quality games over quantity of games. In that regard there's nothing that entices me towards game pass or an Xbox.

its poor in comparison to whats on offer out there and its consistantly playing catch up. right now Gamepass is the bar and they fall short, plus is just games with gold some months good most months bad.

Quality is something that Sony do have which is why they are essential if you like gaming but the Quality games rarely appear on plus until they can be picked up dirt cheap second hand or they appear on PSnow which is also another subscription

I am off the opinion both a ps5 and then whatever iteration of xbox people can get is the best value out there.

RedXIV

If i may offer a differing opinion, NINTENDO have a poor service, PS+ is grand and gamepass is fantastic

jonerkinsella

Retr0gamer wrote: »

Haven't seen that rumour reported anywhere.

HairySalmon

jonerkinsella wrote: »

Ugh not that fool

gibgodsman

jonerkinsella wrote: »

So wait, your using some random terrible youtuber with 30k subs as a source? Jesus the world has really gone mad

Markitron

gibgodsman wrote: »

So wait, your using some random terrible youtuber with 30k subs as a source? Jesus the world has really gone mad

It amazes me that all you need to be taken seriously as a credible source nowadays is a webcam, a tv with a console OS running in the background and an ikea cabinet filled with cheap junk from special edition game releases

jonerkinsella

jonerkinsella wrote: »

If the rumors that Sony have paid $750m for an exclusive timed deal for GTA6, then I do expect the PS5 to be a lot more expensive... and it will sell like hot cakes.
There are more rumors that Sony have been very aggressive in their approach to timed exclusives this time around.

gibgodsman wrote: »

So wait, your using some random terrible youtuber with 30k subs as a source? Jesus the world has really gone mad

I said "Rumors".

There have been many murmurings about lately with bombshell announcements from Sony about third party exclusive deals, this might be one of them.
https://wccftech.com/third-party-approached-playstation-5-deals/

I personally couldn't be arsed with GTA.

Retr0gamer

RedXIV wrote: »

If i may offer a differing opinion, NINTENDO have a poor service, PS+ is grand and gamepass is fantastic

Nintendo at least is dirt cheap, although if it wasn't for the old games I'd not think it was worth it.

Honestly though, paying to play online while the platform holders advertise to you on their personal storefronts.... It's always been a total rip off considering it's been free on PC since year dot.

gibgodsman

Retr0gamer wrote: »

Nintendo at least is dirt cheap, although if it wasn't for the old games I'd not think it was worth it.

Honestly though, paying to play online while the platform holders advertise to you on their personal storefronts.... It's always been a total rip off considering it's been free on PC since year dot.

Honestly my main issue with the nintendo service, is while yes it is cheaper than the other 2, it is also far far far far far far worse. No real voice chat, adding people is a chore, online servers are terrible and basically 0 real games given away or any real discounts of note, Nintendo should offer free Online play until they at least have working servers and online voice chat

RedXIV

My big problem with Nintendo was the need to interact with them to get digital games off one 3DS to play it on another. Ridiculously cumbersome system for managing digital games.

johnny_ultimate

billybonkers wrote: »

Looks like the real winners could be PS5 owners who already have a somewhat competent PC to use MS Gamepass on.

Get the PS5 console and play the MS games on PC Gamepass for next to nothing.

That’s me at the moment, minus a PS5 obviously

PC, Switch and PS4 has every base covered at the moment.

Even booting up GamePass PC last night, was happy to discover the Touryst up there so was playing it within minutes. Has happened a few times recently. It’s great value - the prospect of being able to boot up MS Flight Simulator next week without having to shell out 70 quid can’t be argued with (I’m no sim fan, but goddamn the game looks gorgeous).

The one concern I have with subscription services is both psychological and commercial: as Netflix has shown, it can somewhat weaken the ‘content’ when there’s a need for quantity. There’s already been some rather underwhelming projects from MS’ new first party studios, so you’d hope they’re not cutting corners to just get a steady stream of content. Equally, it’s a model that could potentially allow for the sort of smaller, cheaper experiments that Sony has shied away from - I don’t think GamePass has quite had a breakthrough success in that regard though.

Potential-Monke

So Microsoft have announced in the last hour that the XSX will release in November, no specific date. So I'd imagine the PS5 will be around then too.

CastorTroy

Think most people expected November for both.

The whole thing Is like Big Fish where Danny DeVito would give Ewan McGregor a small piece of information each month about a girl he was interested in.

billybonkers

343 just announced that the new Halo is delayed and won't be a launch title for new Xbox.

That's a big blow to holiday sales

Markitron

billybonkers wrote: »

343 just announced that the new Halo is delayed and won't be a launch title for new Xbox.

That's a big blow to holiday sales

I'm not sure if its gonna make much of a difference tbh, I think the Series X will live or die this November on it's price relative to PS4

Penn

Markitron wrote: »

I'm not sure if its gonna make much of a difference tbh, I think the Series X will live or die this November on it's price relative to PS4

Agreed. Plus Gamepass and Backwards Compatibility (and the general Xmas market) will carry it through. I don't see Halo's delay having that much of an impact.

Still a blow though given it's their big franchise.

Markitron

Penn wrote: »

Agreed. Plus Gamepass and Backwards Compatibility (and the general Xmas market) will carry it through. I don't see Halo's delay having that much of an impact.

Still a blow though given it's their big franchise.

Yea it will look bad if the PS5 launches with Spider-man and Demon's Souls etc, but that's all.

Mr Crispy

https://twitter.com/Galaxyrain666/status/1293460046228025344?s=20

Retr0gamer

It would want to have a better battery than the DS4!

shaveAbullock

Retr0gamer wrote: »

It would want to have a better battery than the DS4!

50% more capacity?

gibgodsman

shaveAbullock wrote: »

50% more capacity?

Really depends on the power draw though, might be a 50% larger battery, but I have no doubt with all the extra features, 50% extra will be used

gerrybbadd

So Remedy have announced that Control Ultimate Edition, releasing soon, will include free upgrades to the Next Gen versions.

Talk about pissing all over your existing customer base who bought the game when it first came out, and the DLC that has come since.

In other news, it could be Nov 6th when the Xbox launches, based on some retail leaks from earlier today.

HairySalmon

gibgodsman wrote: »

Really depends on the power draw though, might be a 50% larger battery, but I have no doubt with all the extra features, 50% extra will be used

All that haptic feedback has me worried it won’t be a million miles from the DS4.

Bits_n_Bobs

Just finished replaying the the last of us remastered - a treat

Now I'm wondering would it be worthwhile delaying playing Last of Us 2 until ps5 is released? Spotted mixed reviews, but still looking forward to the game

HairySalmon

Bits_n_Bobs wrote: »

Just finished replaying the the last of us remastered - a treat

Now I'm wondering would it be worthwhile delaying playing Last of Us 2 until ps5 is released? Spotted mixed reviews, but still looking forward to the game

It’s bound to get a patch, so I’d say wait if you’re willing.

I’m saving starting new game + until the patch comes out. Taking the PS4 Pro as an example, they were very proactive in patching their first party games, so I’d imagine they’ll do the same for recent big releases, too.

Penn

HairySalmon wrote: »

It’s bound to get a patch, so I’d say wait if you’re willing.

I’m saving starting new game + until the patch comes out. Taking the PS4 Pro as an example, they were very proactive in patching their first party games, so I’d imagine they’ll do the same for recent big releases, too.

Yeah I'm doing the same. Saving the second playthrough for the likely PS5 upgrade and I'll try go for the platinum on that playthrough too.

Varik

HairySalmon wrote: »

All that haptic feedback has me worried it won’t be a million miles from the DS4.

Normal vibration uses a unbalanced weight and a motor that are pretty big compared to the rest of the controller and for anyone who used the six axis you'd know how heavy they are when comparing the DS3 to the sixaxis, while haptic feedback uses a rather tiny mass that's moved linearly back and forth (LRA) rather than spun. They're tiny compared to a old unbalanced rotating mass (ERM).

LRA use less power between 1/2 and 1/3 depending on what you're doing, and can produce twice the gs at 1/2 the cost per g and due to wider frequency allowed you can get a single one to do more. They Joycon's each have only 1 and those can each do a lot.

Increase in build cost but huge energy saving. The biggest power drain for the DS4 was always the touch panel.