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2020 the battle of the septuagenarians - Trump vs Biden, Part 2

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Leroy42

Kidchameleon wrote: »

Ghislaine Maxwell was also at that wedding.

And, so what? The poster was making the point that one possible VP pick had associations to the Clintons.

I'm pretty sure Maxwell is not in the running for VP pick.

I fully understand why Trump would want to keep the Clintons, particularly HC, relevant in this election, but she isn't.

Leroy42

Kidchameleon wrote: »

Just on this. They were within the margin of error right at polling day... but where they in the months of the lead up? I remeber Hillary being way ahead in every poll for a long time

That is very true, and one thing was that people got to see and hear Trump and decided that he was worth a vote.

This time, however, he is not an unknown quantity. There are much less undecided voters, or at least voters that are not aware of the real Trump, than last time.

HC was never liked, in fact many outright hated her, but many expected that she would simply be too hard to beat. Biden is not hated, not even the GOP hate him (although of course that all changes now).

HC always had both Bengazi and the missing email hovering over her. Sure the GOP may push the Hunter angle, but it isn't the same really is it?

Kidchameleon

Leroy42 wrote: »

Wasn't Trump at Chelsea Clintons wedding and Ivanka and Chelsea were friends?

Ghislaine Maxwell was also at that wedding.

Kidchameleon

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

she didnt. the results were within the margin of error of the polls. bidens lead is much bigger than the margin of error.

Just on this. They were within the margin of error right at polling day... but where they in the months of the lead up? I remeber Hillary being way ahead in every poll for a long time

Leroy42

mcsean2163 wrote: »

I really really really hope Biden doesn't select Kamala Harris as VP. What about Bass, she's not connected to the Clinton's and looks excellent.

Wasn't Trump at Chelsea Clintons wedding and Ivanka and Chelsea were friends?

Trump previously stated that HC would be a great president.

Clinton was, maybe still is, a member of Trumps golf club.

If being connected to the Clintons is a disqualification then Trump is in trouble

dwayneshintzy

mcsean2163 wrote: »

I really really really hope Biden doesn't select Kamala Harris as VP. What about Bass, she's not connected to the Clinton's and looks excellent.

How's Kamala Harris connected to the Clintons? Susan Rice yes, but not sure the connection with Harris.

mcmoustache

mcsean2163 wrote: »

I really really really hope Biden doesn't select Kamala Harris as VP. What about Bass, she's not connected to the Clinton's and looks excellent.

Is scientology held in high regard over there?

https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/510117-vp-contender-karen-bass-explains-her-2010-remarks-praising-scientology

mcmoustache

stinkypinky wrote: »

Easy to forget how ridiculous some of the polls were I suppose.

https://twitter.com/HuffPost/status/795663593689808896

That's not a poll.

mcsean2163

I really really really hope Biden doesn't select Kamala Harris as VP. What about Bass, she's not connected to the Clinton's and looks excellent.

Leroy42

stinkypinky wrote: »

Easy to forget how ridiculous some of the polls were I suppose.

https://twitter.com/HuffPost/status/795663593689808896

Eh, you do know that isn't a poll, don't you?

Are you the type of person that thinks only favourites can ever win?

dwayneshintzy

stinkypinky wrote: »

Easy to forget how ridiculous some of the polls were I suppose.

https://twitter.com/HuffPost/status/795663593689808896

Where's the poll there?

dwayneshintzy

Eric Cartman wrote: »

The media made a big error last time in allowing trump to be trump, theres now a massive over correction , more manipulation of numbers and samples etc... they're determined not to be shown up again.

What does this mean?

stinkypinky

Easy to forget how ridiculous some of the polls were I suppose.

https://twitter.com/HuffPost/status/795663593689808896

Eric Cartman

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

she didnt. the results were within the margin of error of the polls. bidens lead is much bigger than the margin of error.

The media made a big error last time in allowing trump to be trump, theres now a massive over correction , more manipulation of numbers and samples etc... they're determined not to be shown up again.

stinkypinky

Carfacemandog wrote: »

Yes and no...

Suppose it depends on how things are worded - at it's core removing money from police departments is supported only by a minority.

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/64-americans-oppose-defund-police-movement-key-goals/story?id=71202300

64% of Americans oppose 'defund the police' movement, key goals

"Strong majorities of Americans oppose the movement to "defund the police" and some of its most significant goals, specifically reshuffling funding away from law enforcement to support mental health, housing and education programs, a new ABC News/Ipsos poll released Friday finds.

Nearly two-thirds of Americans oppose calls for defunding police departments, compared to 34% who back the movement, and 60% specifically oppose reducing the budget for police to reallocate it to other public health and social programs, while 39% support that move."

Carfacemandog

stinkypinky wrote: »

The vast majority of the public in the US do not agree with defunding police departments.

Yes and no...

Carfacemandog wrote: »

94% of Americans want police reform vs 6% who say things are OK as-is.

74% want an end to 'stop and frisk' techniques. 50% want an end to police officer involvement in non-violent crimes. 56% want to see police unions eliminated. 96% want to see changes made to hold officer more accountable and more likely to face punishment for misconduct. Only 15% want to see police departments abolished, though 47% want to see defunding with the money being used for other ways of reducing crime, e.g. social programs.

Leroy42

The Unbearables wrote: »

Democrats should be rightfully fearful of the ghosts of polling past. Clinton lead the President in almost every single poll by a distance leading to the 2016 election and still got beat.

Can Joe hang on, can the democrats hide him away for much longer before people start to ask questions?

Very exciting debates ahead.

Very different scenarios.

Biden is not disliked to the level that HC was. Biden does not have to defend himself for actions of his partner like HC did.

Trump is the POTUS, so this line about 'what harm can it do' is no longer valid.

Trump is no longer an outsider, but has had 4 years to drain the swamp and is now part of it.

Trump has a catalogue of failures to defend. He has managed <300 miles of wall in 4 years, and those were the easy bits. His build the wall line will be met with ridicule.

He cannot run on repeal and replace. He had the shot and had nothing, not even an idea never mind a policy.

COVID19 is killing 1000+ a day and 162K+. This will likely be 200K+ come election time. By a large margin the US public think Trump did a lousy job.

He has no policy platform despite being given 2 or 3 opportunities to lay it out. His best idea so far is that he is now used to sleeping in Washington!

Trump has done nothing to gain extra voters, but has done plenty to lose voters.

The DNC (at least one would think) will not be as complacent as in 2016 and actually do some electioneering in the places that matter.

Biden is not a woman. Do not underestimate how big a deal that actually was in 2016. Although with a female VP pick that may have some impact, but far less than the POTUS,

stinkypinky

Trump needs to focus on stuff like this in Seattle where police are being laid off and their department is being defunded, their police chief just resigned. 100 out of 1400 police are being laid off and their pay is being reduced with a view to decreasing the funding by 50% next year. The vast majority of the public in the US do not agree with defunding police departments.

Cody montana

Kanye West’s lawyer demands Democrats prove Mickey Mouse didn’t really sign his ballot petition in Wisconsin.

Lol

weisses

The Unbearables wrote: »

Democrats should be rightfully fearful of the ghosts of polling past. Clinton lead the President in almost every single poll by a distance leading to the 2016 election and still got beat.

Can Joe hang on, can the democrats hide him away for much longer before people start to ask questions?

Very exciting debates ahead.

Trump need to do Better then in one of his last pressers where he forgot corona was a virus

Quin_Dub

The Unbearables wrote: »

Jay Fleitman, MD. Practising in patient care for over 40 years.

https://www.gazettenet.com/Columnist-Jay-Fleitman-35536697

Biden is in big trouble.

Democrats need to start putting together a plan B if Joe doesn't make the debates or he breaks down live during the debate.

This a a quote from that opinion piece

Maybe I am all wrong, and we will see a sharp Joe Biden in the debates. The Democratic leaning press and media often raise questions of Trump’s competency to be president. He is characterized as being narcissistic, blustery, erratic, and unintelligent or uninterested. It is impossible to be outside the White House and Trump’s personal orbit to know what if any of this is true.

So - Looking at Biden from the outside , he's definitely not well and is a huge risk.

But - Looking at Trump from the outside - Impossible to tell if there's anything to be concerned about..

Yeah - That's shows a nuanced and balanced take of the potential issues at hand alright.

pjohnson

Fleitman seems marginally more reputable than Immanuel/Gold and co.. Republican "doctors" are improving. A few decades and maybe they reach competency.

ohnonotgmail

The Unbearables wrote: »

Democrats should be rightfully fearful of the ghosts of polling past. Clinton lead the President in almost every single poll by a distance leading to the 2016 election and still got beat.

Can Joe hang on, can the democrats hide him away for much longer before people start to ask questions?

Very exciting debates ahead.

she didnt. the results were within the margin of error of the polls. bidens lead is much bigger than the margin of error.

Timberrrrrrrr

The Unbearables wrote: »

Democrats should be rightfully fearful of the ghosts of polling past. Clinton lead the President in almost every single poll by a distance leading to the 2016 election and still got beat.

Can Joe hang on, can the democrats hide him away for much longer before people start to ask questions?

Very exciting debates ahead.

They won't be exciting but they will be interesting especially if there is no live audience for Trump to play up to. Guaranteed he will not be a happy man when/if he finds out there is no audience, I even think he will threaten to cancel unless there is an audience.

The Unbearables

Democrats should be rightfully fearful of the ghosts of polling past. Clinton lead the President in almost every single poll by a distance leading to the 2016 election and still got beat.

Can Joe hang on, can the democrats hide him away for much longer before people start to ask questions?

Very exciting debates ahead.

sydthebeat

Nah Biden is not in trouble.

At this stage an inanimate carbon rod is a better choice than drumpf the oranger.

The liar in chief could not being doing the Biden camp any more to get more elected

Cody montana

So Biden is a perverted senile old who fool who will destroy the USA and jobs.
While banning/removing windows, the suburbs, god, the police, jails, cars, private schools, the military, etc.
Got it.

Trumps supporters are trying to make him unelectable like Hillary.
Only problem, is trump has shown how incompetent and disgusting he is.

Overheal

Wanderer78 wrote: »

the barrel is long gone, we re quickly heading to the core

What a shyte movie that was.

Wanderer78

salmocab wrote: »

Jesus Christ if this barrel gets scraped anymore the bottom will be worn out. A Republican doing an opinion piece is offered as evidence now.

the barrel is long gone, we re quickly heading to the core

salmocab

Jesus Christ if this barrel gets scraped anymore the bottom will be worn out. A Republican doing an opinion piece is offered as evidence now.