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Details from the dail on the eCars €10,000,000 expansion programme.

The key elements include six high speed charging hubs on motorways capable of charging eight vehicles simultaneously; 16 high speed charging hubs capable of charging four vehicles simultaneously; additional high power chargers at 34 current 50 kW locations; upgrading over 50 22 kW chargers to 50 kW, and replacing up to 264 locations with 528 charge points at the pre-existing pilot grade of 22 kW to next generation high reliability models.

https://www.oireachtas.ie/en/debates/question/2019-01-24/10/?fbclid=IwAR1eGLQjNFuywCoaB__FJADns7gNOD09DaR9XLueHAKZ8vljfd-kL-_LpDs

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AndyBoBandy

Just down in Kilcullen now getting a quick top up from one of the last few free ESB chargers in the country......

Black_Knight

cruisey1987 wrote: »

Personally I'd prefer to see 2 50kW DC chargers to 4 22kW AC chargers in a supermarket, as it means you'll get a decent charger in while doing the grocery shopping.

Interestingly I seen on EasyGo there's a 25.2kW CCS/12.8kW CHAdeMO DC unit around little Island, marked as "Bam, Cork". I guess for the dunkettle interchange works, but an interesting power rating. Not sure what that unit is, or whether it's just a regular unit which is limited or something, but if it's a cheaper unit, it'd probably be more use in a supermarket than the 22kW ones which most cars can only pull 7kW.

Either way, it was interesting to spot it.

the_amazing_raisin

McGiver wrote: »

Can't see private operators being profitable apart from the best spots. I do think that private operators have more chances with AC chargers in the cities and tourist destinations though.

Yeah I could see it heading that way too, usually AC chargers are somewhat cheaper to install and better suited to unattended locations.

I'm hoping that 50kW DC chargers will get cheaper soon with the push for higher power charging in service stations. IMHO 50kW still makes sense in a lot of places with a short visit time, like supermarkets for example.

Personally I'd prefer to see 2 50kW DC chargers to 4 22kW AC chargers in a supermarket, as it means you'll get a decent charger in while doing the grocery shopping.

I suspect the Zoe owners will start laughing at me now with their 22kW on board chargers

McGiver

cruisey1987 wrote: »

Well now that you can make money from charging maybe other companies will being moving in and give the eCars network some competition.

Truth be told I suspect the economics of public charging aren't great. I imagine it takes several years for a DC charger to just pay for itself and by then it's probably obsolete and in need of replacement

I'm guessing we're going to end up with more manufacturer driven charging networks like Tesla Supercharger or Ionity, since they're probably the only companies who will put up the starting capital in order to drive EV sales

Correct. Fast charging - Carmakers, Big Oil, Energy Companies. These will drive the fast EV infrastructure. As seen elsewhere in Europe.

Can't see private operators being profitable apart from the best spots. I do think that private operators have more chances with AC chargers in the cities and tourist destinations though.

slave1

You have to pay for parking in Westmeath

Laviski

TJJP wrote: »

But it's not free is it?

Parking and Electric Vehicles
While charging an electric vehicle in a Pay and Display Space or EV Charging Space in a Pay and Display location, payment must be made for parking during hours of operation indicated.

http://www.dublincity.ie/main-menu-services-roads-and-traffic/parking-dublin

other councils don't require to pay if charging, to encourage EV take up. I think Dublin is the only place that require to pay for both the electricity and parking.

TJJP

Laviski wrote: »

How is that better, their charge finished yesterday. If no overstay fee they would only pay consumption despite being there for a day.

Cheap city center car park space.

But it's not free is it?

Parking and Electric Vehicles
While charging an electric vehicle in a Pay and Display Space or EV Charging Space in a Pay and Display location, payment must be made for parking during hours of operation indicated.

http://www.dublincity.ie/main-menu-services-roads-and-traffic/parking-dublin

Black_Knight

innrain wrote: »

The new DC unit appears operational on the app now. Nice

Nice one. I'll keep tabs on any more "marked for replacement" units. There's 4 at the moment.

Ashford gaa park
Shankill dart station, though I assume that's just a regular replacement, not a DC swap out.
Clifden, though it sounds like that unit is broken, so again, perhaps not a DC swap. Would be a nice location for one though, or even an AC and DC side by side.
And one in Armagh. Again, NI is getting little these days without fees so unlikely a DC upgrade.

the_amazing_raisin

slave1 wrote: »

I'd like to agree but I think what eCars have done is create new living grounds for spiders, usage will fall away.
We are eliminating the incentives way too soon into the Adoption cycle.
Folk will stop using charge points en masse and the wrong signal will be received by eCars i.e. data suggests usage is fine and no need for any more charge points.

They should have priced AC similiar to domestic night rate to help maintain an incentive of sorts and encourage uptake.

Right now there is no way I would recommend an EV as a sole car in a household if any travel outside comfortable range is required.
Infrastructure simply not fit for purpose, not enough charge points, not in enough locations, not dependable and most importantly not engaging in a hub concept.

Time will tell

Well now that you can make money from charging maybe other companies will being moving in and give the eCars network some competition.

Truth be told I suspect the economics of public charging aren't great. I imagine it takes several years for a DC charger to just pay for itself and by then it's probably obsolete and in need of replacement

I'm guessing we're going to end up with more manufacturer driven charging networks like Tesla Supercharger or Ionity, since they're probably the only companies who will put up the starting capital in order to drive EV sales

innrain

Black_Knight wrote: »

https://www.plugshare.com/location/250409

St Candices Car park in Kilkenny has been removed from the ESB app after being marked for replacement.

The new DC unit appears operational on the app now. Nice

AndyBoBandy

Meanwhile EasyGo are emailing it’s users asking to help them identify new locations for 50kW DC chargers.....

If only eCars had a similar approach...

Royale with Cheese

Had to pay to charge this morning. I was using plugsurfing as they still had the ESB CCS chargers down as free but they've updated their pricing today too, no more freeloading for me.

Black_Knight

slave1 wrote: »

Right now there is no way I would recommend an EV as a sole car in a household if any travel outside comfortable range is required.
Infrastructure simply not fit for purpose, not enough charge points, not in enough locations, not dependable and most importantly not engaging in a hub concept.

Time will tell

Can't agree with that. Our Ioniq has pretty much been the sole car for us this last year maybe (we have 2 cars, but why I don't know). Since fees on fast chargers it's meant they are more available when needed, and our main out of range trip would be passing ionity too. And now with fees for slow charging, the chances of being able to charge elsewhere around the country are greater. With any of the longer range cars (pretty much any other new EV) you'd have even less need for public charging.

The cost of the slow chargers is probably a bit high, and certainly doesn't help appartment dwellers/those without driveways, but that wouldn't stop me from being an EV only household. Once it's the right car for your driving, which has always been the case.

slave1

Cyrus wrote: »

in reality this should be a good thing, the economic viability of their infastructure will now be easily reviewed and this should push them to install more income generating (i.e. fast chargers) units.

I'd like to agree but I think what eCars have done is create new living grounds for spiders, usage will fall away.
We are eliminating the incentives way too soon into the Adoption cycle.
Folk will stop using charge points en masse and the wrong signal will be received by eCars i.e. data suggests usage is fine and no need for any more charge points.

They should have priced AC similiar to domestic night rate to help maintain an incentive of sorts and encourage uptake.

Right now there is no way I would recommend an EV as a sole car in a household if any travel outside comfortable range is required.
Infrastructure simply not fit for purpose, not enough charge points, not in enough locations, not dependable and most importantly not engaging in a hub concept.

Time will tell

Black_Knight

liamog wrote: »

They'll probably be an initial adjustment period, the people who didn't get the news and needed the charge today.

https://youtu.be/hYTQ7__NNDI?t=9

liamog

They'll probably be an initial adjustment period, the people who didn't get the news and needed the charge today.

Black_Knight

4 of the units in Cork city are in use! Maybe some just do rely on public units. It's great for those who need them, and hopefully less abuse and damage with the less use.

Cyrus

in reality this should be a good thing, the economic viability of their infastructure will now be easily reviewed and this should push them to install more income generating (i.e. fast chargers) units.

jhegarty

I have never seen the map so green on a working Monday.

the_amazing_raisin

AndyBoBandy wrote: »

Checked this morning and the app was still showing the AC’s as free, but looking again now the charges are there!

And remarkably enough someone’s been using my local Tesco one for the last 2+ hours.... I wonder if they plugged in then the app still said it was free....

I wonder if they plugged in before the charges kicked in and will they get a free session because it started before they had to pay

AndyBoBandy

Checked this morning and the app was still showing the AC’s as free, but looking again now the charges are there!

And remarkably enough someone’s been using my local Tesco one for the last 2+ hours.... I wonder if they plugged in then the app still said it was free....

Black_Knight

https://www.plugshare.com/location/250409

St Candices Car park in Kilkenny has been removed from the ESB app after being marked for replacement.

kanuseeme

Its pretty much F*** every one else all the time, be it Phev or BEV, it will at least remove the people too mean to pay.

Irishjg

They will still be nice handy parking spots for PHEVs with 10kWh packs. €3.00 to park for the day and f*** every else.

AndyBoBandy

It’s simple. A 3 hour usage (connection) limit on the on street AC22 units should be introduced. If anyone needs more charge, they should be encouraged to use fast chargers.

Exceptions would be for the 7kW units located at train stations and park and ride facilities.

Probably will be an irrelevant conversation from tomorrow onwards anyway....

Laviski

Deleted User wrote: »

Cant tell if an i3 is charging or not and I’m sure other cars too.

on these old esb units, its obvious when car is not charging, as it cycles through the display, it will say "plug B" cycle to "charging" cycle to "units given"

When "plug a" came around display was blank between saying plug A and units.

AndyBoBandy

Everyone making sure they get as much of the last of the free juice as possible......

The spiders will be delighted from Monday onwards.....

Efitz2019

ei9go wrote: »

There was a Leaf in Ballybricken yesterday plugged in since 7.00 am and was fully charged for so long at 1pm that the app was saying one space available.

I know the charger on Parnell street and in miller marsh car park are regularly checked by the traffic wardens. I’ve witnessed tickets being given.

[Deleted User]

JohnC. wrote: »

Does a light or the screen on the unit itself indicate if it's actively charging or not? I've not actually used an ESB 22kW unit yet.

The i3 shows no charging indication.

I know the old 22 Kw chargers used to change colour when a car was plugged in but can't remember if that changed if the car has finished charging.

ei9go

Efitz2019 wrote: »

In Waterford City your car has to be charging to use the space. I’ve regularly seen the traffic wardens giving tickets to cars that have finished charging. This helps prevent situation above. Ecars should have a per minute charge once your car has finished. Unfortunately the only way people learn is to hit them in the pocket.

There was a Leaf in Ballybricken yesterday plugged in since 7.00 am and was fully charged for so long at 1pm that the app was saying one space available.