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spygirl

Actually given the amount of new cases on it, VL could be a good shout to make an appearance. He regularly complains students don't understand it so could throw it in for this year for the craic.

IgoPAP

It should also be noted that opening up society would lead to an inevitable increase in case numbers. That's just completely obvious. The objective was to ensure that any increase in numbers in sustainable and that our overall capacity is maintained. Beyond the complete mayhem in specific sectors such as meat-processing factories, I think we've done pretty well here all things considered.

spygirl

iamanengine wrote: »

Cool thank you.

Just finished going through the summary there. I wouldn't say they have restricted the close connection test. Main issue in Various Claimants seems to be that he was following a personal vendetta rather than acting for his employer as was the case in Mohamud.

Hopefully we get a VL question, would be lovely, and can show off that fresh 2020 case law knowledge

Oh god I would love a full vicarious liability question, passing off, defamation, bit of trespass to person and occupiers liability would be a dream come through. Maybe throw in liability for kids or animals for good measure.

I can keep dreaming. Any bets on Nervous Shock making an appearance?
I know it had been absent for a bit.

iamanengine

spygirl wrote: »

I think different case. Mohamud is petrol lad who assaulted fella who tried to skip out on paying for petrol. Making sure people paid was closely connected with his employment, as was dealing with customers so liability applied.

Close connection test being used recently a bit in UKSC re abuse claims, schools church etc. Expected we will be following it. Have done so already as far as I can recall. An O'Donnell judgment is on the outskirts of my brain somewhere

Cool thank you.

Just finished going through the summary there. I wouldn't say they have restricted the close connection test. Main issue in Various Claimants seems to be that he was following a personal vendetta rather than acting for his employer as was the case in Mohamud.

Hopefully we get a VL question, would be lovely, and can show off that fresh 2020 case law knowledge

Edit - Just on the Mohamud case. I don't think the facts were that he tried to skip on paying petrol and that's why he was attacked. My manual says that he asked the employee a question and then got attacked pretty much. But close connection was found cos his job involved interacting with customers. Not sure though, maybe my manual left that part out?

Fe1student1234

Hopefully the law society or local Gardaí have provided some clarity for the people in the lockdown counties.

I’d be furious if I couldn’t sit it. There should be some contingency plan for them if they are not allowed up to sit it

HappyKitten62

spygirl wrote: »

I'm less worried about a lockdown then I am about sitting in a room with strangers for three hours tbh. Measures are in place, it will be like shoplifting at Tesco, grand.

Don’t worry it will all be fine. And if you’re extremely concerned etc, remember it’s only an exam at the end of the day and there are much more important things in life!

Fe1student1234

IgoPAP wrote: »

The increased case number is due to the family members and close connections of the specific clusters in meat-processing factories being tested, and not due to some general increase in community transmission numbers all over the country. Yesterday it was mentioned that a sharp increase is expected as all the connections were being tested this week. Nothing to panic about. Not yet at least.

Still 50 cases outside of those three counties with 27 of them in Dublin

But yeah there will be a big number of cases over the next few days due to the testing of family members and friends of those in the cluster.
As long as they can keep it contained it Shouldn’t spread through the community

spygirl

HappyKitten62 wrote: »

Oh absolutely! But no more lockdown as of yet.

I'm less worried about a lockdown then I am about sitting in a room with strangers for three hours tbh. Measures are in place, it will be like shoplifting at Tesco, grand.

IgoPAP

spygirl wrote: »

I know we are keeping it light here, those are some pretty sobering numbers today.
Just how unbreakable is that disclaimer do you reckon??? Asking for a friend.

The increased case number is due to the family members and close connections of the specific clusters in meat-processing factories being tested, and not due to some general increase in community transmission numbers all over the country. Yesterday it was mentioned that a sharp increase is expected as all the connections were being tested this week. Nothing to panic about. Not yet at least.

HappyKitten62

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Said we can’t be complacent about the rest of the country too as 50 shows an increase of cases everywhere!

Agree that exams will go ahead, but really pity students from those 3 counties. Exams not on the gov list of essential travel and Gardaí checkpoints out too.

Oh absolutely! But no more lockdown as of yet.

spygirl

iamanengine wrote: »

Was this an appeal of Mohamud v WM Morrisons or this a separate case?

Edit - Separate case. Good summary here - https://www.supremecourt.uk/cases/docs/uksc-2018-0213-press-summary.pdf

I think different case. Mohamud is petrol lad who assaulted fella who tried to skip out on paying for petrol. Making sure people paid was closely connected with his employment, as was dealing with customers so liability applied.

Close connection test being used recently a bit in UKSC re abuse claims, schools church etc. Expected we will be following it. Have done so already as far as I can recall. An O'Donnell judgment is on the outskirts of my brain somewhere

Lawofattracti

iamanengine wrote: »

Was this an appeal of Mohamud v WM Morrisons or this a separate case?

Edit - Separate case. Good summary here - https://www.supremecourt.uk/cases/docs/uksc-2018-0213-press-summary.pdf

Two different cases I believe

iamanengine

Fe1student1234 wrote: »

In the case of Various claimants v Wm Morrison Supermarkets they overturned the finding of vicarious Liability because they said the fact that he had access to the payroll and uploaded the details of other employees online was not sufficiently connected to his employment.

I’m open for correction on this

Not sure if you need to add that case but to me it looks like they’re kinda of reducing close connection

Was this an appeal of Mohamud v WM Morrisons or this a separate case?

Edit - Separate case. Good summary here - https://www.supremecourt.uk/cases/docs/uksc-2018-0213-press-summary.pdf

Fe1student1234

spygirl wrote: »

Apologies, I took this off topic. Right so vicarious Liability. Close connection test, would I be safe enough just taking in Lister, Elmonton and Reilly? is there anyone I am missing in that list?

In the case of Various claimants v Wm Morrison Supermarkets they overturned the finding of vicarious Liability because they said the fact that he had access to the payroll and uploaded the details of other employees online was not sufficiently connected to his employment.

I’m open for correction on this

Not sure if you need to add that case but to me it looks like they’re kinda of reducing close connection

spygirl

Apologies, I took this off topic. Right so vicarious Liability. Close connection test, would I be safe enough just taking in Lister, Elmonton and Reilly? is there anyone I am missing in that list?

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HappyKitten62 wrote: »

Yes high numbers but the chief medical officer has stated they are not planning to lockdown any other counties at this moment in time.

100 cases were in Kildare alone.

The exams will go ahead.

Said we can’t be complacent about the rest of the country too as 50 shows an increase of cases everywhere!

Agree that exams will go ahead, but really pity students from those 3 counties. Exams not on the gov list of essential travel and Gardaí checkpoints out too.

Fe1student1234

spygirl wrote: »

I know we are keeping it light here, those are some pretty sobering numbers today.
Just how unbreakable is that disclaimer do you reckon??? Asking for a friend.

I’m keeping an open mind! But I won’t be surprised whatever they decide

HappyKitten62

spygirl wrote: »

I know we are keeping it light here, those are some pretty sobering numbers today.
Just how unbreakable is that disclaimer do you reckon??? Asking for a friend.

Yes high numbers but the chief medical officer has stated they are not planning to lockdown any other counties at this moment in time.

100 cases were in Kildare alone.

The exams will go ahead.

spygirl

Lawgrad101 wrote: »

Does anyone know if you get a letter from the law society once you have passed all 8 exams?

God I hope so, I have no idea where my first results letter is :eek:

spygirl

I know we are keeping it light here, those are some pretty sobering numbers today.
Just how unbreakable is that disclaimer do you reckon??? Asking for a friend.

Lawgrad101

Does anyone know if you get a letter from the law society once you have passed all 8 exams?

vid36

IgoPAP wrote: »

The pass rate for EU and Torts is hovering at, what, 70-80%? Most people manage to pass it in the end.

Tort pass rate averages about 66%. Sometimes it goes up to 70, other times down to 61-62
EU pass rate in 75-80% range consistently

spygirl

08.30 according to law society, I asked last week. Bit tight
will be aiming to get there a bit before that and take a chance if am honest. Not too familiar with the RDS buildings so don't fancy getting lost on the day

IgoPAP

The pass rate for EU and Torts is hovering at, what, 70-80%? Most people manage to pass it in the end.

Aoibhin511

Healyjhow wrote: »

Don’t suppose anyone has sample answers for tort papers 2019? I have up til 2018 if anyone needs them

I have tort sample answers up to 2019 from griffith, dunno how much I trust them sometimes she seems to answer questions exactly how the examiner report said not to, but if you want to DM me your email I can pass them on

Healyjhow

Don’t suppose anyone has sample answers for tort papers 2019? I have up til 2018 if anyone needs them

Hamerzan Sickles

iamanengine wrote: »

My motto for these exams has always been that you know more than you think you do. I'm always genuinely surprised once I'm sitting down in the exam and start writing that I actually do know some stuff!

Also don't under estimate the amount of information you can take in even just cramming the day before

These are the two most important philosophies for the exam anyone can have I think. 95% of what you put down on the exam is what you crammed the day before; and it's amazing what you end up writing without even realising it. You absorb this information without thinking about it a lot of the time, and you don't know what you actually know until you have to sit down and articulate it.

(Also, @iamanegine, I sent you a PM there.)

iamanengine

DFMCD190384 wrote: »

It doesn't say on the letter (I don't think so anyway). It just says the carpark is €7 and to pay by card.

Also, make sure to check your email. I got one yesterday saying the time of my exam is 10am and not 9.30am. I'm in Hall 8C.

Is anyone else feeling a little all over the place? Honestly, if a paper was put in front of me right now for EU I wouldn't be able to answer it. I don't know how I'm going to know it all by Thursday.

My motto for these exams has always been that you know more than you think you do. I'm always genuinely surprised once I'm sitting down in the exam and start writing that I actually do know some stuff!

Also don't under estimate the amount of information you can take in even just cramming the day before

lawd20

Hi would anyone have a short summary of UCC v ESB 2020 IESC in the context of Nuisance? I've skimmed the judgement and it seems to mostly relate to D's duty of care, any info would be appreciated!!!

Aoibhin511

Healyjhow wrote: »

Any chance anyone would post what topics they’ve covered for EU... I feel like I’ve covered very few and I’m a bit triggered now hahaha

Coving 8 topics which I think should have me covered for 5/6 Q's in the exam
Institutions
Direct Effect and MS liability
Judicial review
Citizenship and workers
Services
Goods
Fundamental Rights
Equal pay/treatment and nondiscrimination