Is it just me or have SF vanished?

SafeSurfer wrote: »

When was that? 2011 I presume.

Well it wasn’t prior to the report being published put it that way.

SafeSurfer

joeguevara wrote: »

Well it wasn’t prior to the report being published put it that way.

Or after William Schabas left, which only leaves 2011.

SafeSurfer wrote: »

Or after William Schabas left, which only leaves 2011.

Sure you’d know better than me.

SafeSurfer

joeguevara wrote: »

Sure you’d know better than me.

Do I feel a Shakespeare quote coming on ;-)

SafeSurfer wrote: »

Do I feel a Shakespeare quote coming on ;-)

Never liked Shakespeare. Did king lead for my leaving and merchant of. Venice for the junior. Never got the love for him.

SafeSurfer wrote: »

Lots of comedy gold on this thread. Like posters relying on the IMC report to argue that the IRA wasn’t involved in the Paul Quinn murder and simultaneously dismissing the IMC report that finds the IRA robbed the Northern Bank. Is there any reason for the duplicity apart from hypocrisy?

Its the SF way.
Dismiss all criticisms at every available opportunity, with lots of whatabouteries.

They are the Trump faction of Ireland, but they don't even know.

markodaly wrote: »

Its the SF way.
Dismiss all criticisms at every available opportunity, with lots of whatabouteries.

They are the Trump faction of Ireland, but they don't even know.

Mark, on every single thread on FG specifically, you deny every single criticism.

I get the fact that party members defend their party, it happens here just as it happens in real life.
But here you are casting stones at people when you do the exact same thing yourself.

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Mark, on every single thread on FG specifically, you deny every single criticism.

I get the fact that party members defend their party, it happens here just as it happens in real life.
But here you are casting stones at people when you do the exact same thing yourself.

I have not seen any realistic criticism of Fine Gael beyond name calling/ blueshirt/ arrogance stuff. There are repeated vague allegations of corruption but never anything specific. And of course that poster who endlessly references "25 year leases" when no-one knows what he is talking about.

To be fair Fine Gael should be tackled on the hospital shambles and the costs overruns which is entirely their fault. The NAMA fraud emerging also looks like something they carry ultimate responsibility for though it may be that NAMA were defrauded in a criminal conspiracy. A lot of the other "austerity" whining is juvenile and pre-supposes that a broke Government can simply vote for more money and solve everything. It is not that easy as we will find out when we have to pay back the current Covid giveaways.

Truthvader wrote: »

I have not seen any realistic criticism of Fine Gael beyond name calling/ blueshirt/ arrogance stuff. There are repeated vague allegations of corruption but never anything specific. And of course that poster who endlessly references "25 year leases" when no-one knows what he is talking about.

To be fair Fine Gael should be tackled on the hospital shambles and the costs overruns which is entirely their fault. The NAMA fraud emerging also looks like something they carry ultimate responsibility for though it may be that NAMA were defrauded in a criminal conspiracy. A lot of the other "austerity" whining is juvenile and pre-supposes that a broke Government can simply vote for more money and solve everything. It is not that easy as we will find out when we have to pay back the current Covid giveaways.

A fine, if delusional, defence of FG criticism there. Well done on quickly jumping to prove the point.

"No realistic criticism of Fine Gael"

Honestly, GuffVader and his crew are zealots. As I mentioned before, they're attempting to turn Leo and the gang in into sacred cows beyond criticism. Maoists would have a good laugh at their carry-on here.

Clever, hard working boys that make 'the hard decisions,' and they always happen to make the correct ones despite dumpster fires on several fronts. When you point at them, it's always 'that's just the way it is.'

Senior hurling and insults to bate the band except when they get outflanked and proven to be talking scutter, then they're suddenly victims of online bullying or some other goo.

EDIT: Dude

The way I see it, all political parties have major flaws and major positives. SF and FG included. Instead of attacking and insulting other parties, each party should look inward to see what can be improved upon and what needs to be embedded. By their very nature, supporters of political parties will never take too kindly to others throwing insults at the party or their members and will react. But what does it achieve. It entrenches views, doesn't allow growth and achieves nothing. It literally is a case of rinse, wash and repeat. It gets boring after a while.

markodaly wrote: »

Its the SF way.
Dismiss all criticisms at every available opportunity, with lots of whatabouteries.

They are the Trump faction of Ireland, but they don't even know.

Are we living on the same planet here? I'm willing to criticize SF (and have done on several occasions if you care to look at my posting history), and attacks on FG come in the large majority of cases on policy.

There are a little online militia of FG diehards here that do absolutely nothing but fire insults at those with a different political perspective. They're poison tbh and have made sh*t of so many threads since the election was called early on this year. They got deeply upset at the election result, flew off the handle, and have continued in that vein since.

Trump my eye. The boys in blue here don't have to look very far to find Trumpite behavior in their own ranks and own party.

Yurt! wrote: »

"No realistic criticism of Fine Gael"

Honestly, GuffVader and his crew are zealots. As I mentioned before, they're attempting to turn Leo and the gang in into sacred cows beyond criticism. Maoists would have a good laugh at their carry-on here.

Clever, hard working boys that make 'the hard decisions,' and they always happen to make the correct ones despite dumpster fires on several fronts. When you point at them, it's always 'that's just the way it is.'

Senior hurling and insults to bate the band except when they get outflanked and proven to be talking scutter, then they're suddenly victims of online bullying or some other goo.

EDIT: Dude

Right let me deal with this in logical sequence.......Oh I can't, its another Sinn Fein vague rant with opaque hints but nothing specific as usual

Truthvader wrote: »

Right let me deal with this in logical sequence.......Oh I can't, its another Sinn Fein vague rant with opaque hints but nothing specific as usual

"No valid criticism of Fine Gael"

High-level embarrassing zealotry. Day-in day-out the same guff. There's nothing opaque about it, you're caught in an ideological psychosis.

Yurt! wrote: »

"No valid criticism of Fine Gael"

High-level embarrassing zealotry. Day-in day-out the same guff. There's nothing opaque about it, you're caught in an ideological psychosis.

Good man, get it all up

JohnnyFlash

Yurt! wrote: »

"No valid criticism of Fine Gael"

High-level embarrassing zealotry. Day-in day-out the same guff. There's nothing opaque about it, you're caught in an ideological psychosis.

It’s a message board, dude, not the fricking United Nations security council. You might want to tone down the hyperbole a few notches.

JohnnyFlash wrote: »

It’s a message board, dude, not the fricking United Nations security council. You might want to tone down the hyperbole a few notches.

Yeah dude

https://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/republic-of-ireland/anger-over-ira-undefeated-army-t-shirt-for-sale-on-sinn-fein-website-36455561.html

FrancieBrady wrote: »

I don't see anyone glorifying armed struggle. You are in imagination zone again.

markodaly wrote: »

https://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/republic-of-ireland/anger-over-ira-undefeated-army-t-shirt-for-sale-on-sinn-fein-website-36455561.html

The poster said...'as evidenced HERE' people are glorifying the IRA.

FrancieBrady wrote: »

The poster said...'as evidenced HERE' people are glorifying the IRA.

Well, turn another leaf. You admit the IRA were defeated.

markodaly wrote: »

Well, turn another leaf. You admit the IRA were defeated.

Mark, you believe whatever gets you out of the bed and away from the boogeymen under it.

The IRA imo are gone. I am happy they are and they did what they committed to doing when a remarkable and historic agreement was reached

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Mark, you believe whatever gets you out of the bed and away from the boogeymen under it.

The IRA imo are gone. I am happy they are and they did what they committed to doing when a remarkable and historic agreement was reached

Gone alright, in exchange for a glorified talking shop in Stormont.
All that muder for that!

markodaly wrote: »

Gone alright, in exchange for a glorified talking shop in Stormont.
All that muder for that!

Give it time Mark...20 years of pushing the two partitioned parts so close together the British could not do the Brexit they wanted was a sight to behold for me as a republican. No longer could they bully their way to look after their own interests.
You should be proud of that protection negociated on your behalf by those who signed and supported the GFA.
Remember.. Enda and Leo didnt have the courage or understanding to call for special status for NI over Brexit. SF were way ahead of them on that.

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Give it time Mark...

Ah, the classic doctrine of a losing argument.

'Give it time'

The GFA is over 20 years old and a United Ireland is about 50 years away at least by my estimation and the UI that people think they get will be very different from the UI that they will actually get. Look at Brexit as a case of dreams vs reality.

Again, all that murder for that....

Scoondal

Yes, Sinn Fein are gone on their holidays. Do you have a problem with people taking holidays ?

Superfoods

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Mark, you believe whatever gets you out of the bed and away from the boogeymen under it.

The IRA imo are gone. I am happy they are and they did what they committed to doing when a remarkable and historic agreement was reached

The IRA are gone. The PIRA in Northern Ireland are clearly not gone. Ask anyone living on the border, or anyone living in the North.

They might have given themselves another name but they exist and they are still linked with Sinn Fein. They are more or less just another criminal gang. Running protection for people etc as well.

I have heard stories from Dublin as well, Polish gang trying to set up a protection racket, went into a pub. Landlord told them to come back the next day and he would have money, they met the "PIRA" the next day and got a good beating. No idea if true but few people have mentioned.

It's an open secret everywhere. I guess you don't live in border area if you are saying they are gone. Who do you think is behind all the issues with the companies now running Quinn?

markodaly wrote: »

Ah, the classic doctrine of a losing argument.

'Give it time'

The GFA is over 20 years old and a United Ireland is about 50 years away at least by my estimation and the UI that people think they get will be very different from the UI that they will actually get. Look at Brexit as a case of dreams vs reality.

Again, all that murder for that....

Ah right...50 years. Didn't know you had decided that.

A UI is about creation Mark, Brexit was about destruction.

Just over 20 years ago I had to go through a military checkpoint several times a day just to work...today only the signposts change you would have no clue were the border even was.

We are merging closer and closer together, the purpose of the GFA.

Unionist and partitionist will stamp their feet and are getting more and more hysterical about here...'it won't be like you expected..let me tell yas!'

Superfoods wrote: »

The IRA are gone. The PIRA in Northern Ireland are clearly not gone. Ask anyone living on the border, or anyone living in the North.

They might have given themselves another name but they exist and they are still linked with Sinn Fein. They are more or less just another criminal gang. Running protection for people etc as well.

I have heard stories from Dublin as well, Polish gang trying to set up a protection racket, went into a pub. Landlord told them to come back the next day and he would have money, they met the "PIRA" the next day and got a good beating. No idea if true but few people have mentioned.

It's an open secret everywhere. I guess you don't live in border area if you are saying they are gone. Who do you think is behind all the issues with the companies now running Quinn?

Me? I am sitting drinking coffee here...a couple of 100 yards from the border.

I'd be pretty sure criminals are behind the Quinn issue.

Cool stories you have heard. I like a good story.