cgcsb wrote: » It would be ridiculous if there were no stops between Kylemore and Glasnevin interchange. That's a 7km distance through a relatively central area, what kind of urban transit system is that?
A stop at Heuston West and Cabra should be provided. There is plenty of space to provide a pedestrian causeway of travelators and they can take some space off the surface car park to extend the main station concourse. The walking distance to the existing main concourse would be about half a km which is nothing compared to what passengers do at airports and some of the mainline stations on mainland Europe.
cgcsb wrote: » It would be ridiculous if there were no stops between Kylemore and Glasnevin interchange. That's a 7km distance through a relatively central area, what kind of urban transit system is that? A stop at Heuston West and Cabra should be provided. There is plenty of space to provide a pedestrian causeway of travelators and they can take some space off the surface car park to extend the main station concourse. The walking distance to the existing main concourse would be about half a km which is nothing compared to what passengers do at airports and some of the mainline stations on mainland Europe.
LXFlyer wrote: » To be honest I would be very surprised if those two stops (Heuston West & Cabra) did not happen. They are entirely logical. Again no detailed plans have been published - just a high level overview. In planning Heuston West, do remember that there will still be commuter services to/from Heuston - I’m not sure that a network of travelators is entirely necessary.
donvito99 wrote: » Without Dart Underground the Kylemore, Ballyfermot area are better served to the City Centre (at least) by bus. It may be possible to have buses terminate at platform 10 allowing for an interchange to the City Centre. This isn't proposed in Bus Connects obviously but if you terminated the likes of the 145 and 46A and routed both down the quays it'd be a useful connection.
cgcsb wrote: » A decent covered walking route should be the minimum.
loyatemu wrote: » agreed, for a country with notoriously variable weather (albeit Dublin is the driest bit) we're terrible at building our infrastructure to provide decent shelter for people. The cliché is "it'd be a great country if you put a roof on it" yet we keep building stations with no roof and shelters that fit 2 people and don't effectively keep out the rain </rant>
LXFlyer wrote: » Heuston West is not Kylemore. It is an additional station planned to be built just before the Phoenix Park Tunnel (provide a platform 11 opposite platform 10).
cgcsb wrote: » It's not just about An Lar it's about creating good connections. Without a stop in Cabra then you've no interchange potential with the green line luas, ignoring Heuston and passing within half a km of it is madness, it's the country's biggest station. Good connections make the network, If you can image when this is done a journey from Hazelhatch to Finglas for example will be much paster by PT than by road. At present there are hardly any suburb-suburb journeys that can claim that.
Peregrine wrote: » Unless something has changed recently, Heuston West was going to be a station on the mainline and not the PPT line. There were no plans to develop Platform 10.
LXFlyer wrote: » I would suspect that the station in Cabra won’t be beside the Green Line - The most suitable location would be between Cabra Road and Faussagh Avenue where there is development planned as well. The tunnels over and the tight curvature of the railway line closer to the Green Line mean that area is unlikely to be suitable for a station.
MJohnston wrote: » I'd also like to pipe up for my previous idea of a Dublin Zoo station just after the tunnel ends.
cgcsb wrote: » The cabra station was proposed for the space between Fassaugh rd and Cabra rd, which would mena a 600m walk to Cabra luas, not ideal but hey. A new interchange station at the back of the beans factory could also be possible with some CPO
cgcsb wrote: » A station somewhere between the tunnel portal and Blackhorse Ave. would be a great asset, there's even an existing bridge connecting the army barracks to Marlborough mews and plans to demolish the blackhorse industrial estate and build multi storey apartment blocks. For this to work well we'd have to get cleaver with pedestrian links.
LXFlyer wrote: » You face the same issues as the Batchelors location - it would be on a tight curve. Even if you could fit a station there, it would be very close to Cabra and Heuston West, if not too close. It’s a railway not a tram line.
donvito99 wrote: » A balance needs to be struck between more stations serving more journeys and more stations slowing down more journeys. In my view, longer journeys ought to be prioritised over local journeys/connections in areas well served by either Luas or Dublin Bus.
p_haugh wrote: » On the topic of curves, platform 10 at heuston is already on a curve so I'd say they wouldn't be that keen to add in a platform 11 too.
loyatemu wrote: » Pedestrian access from Heuston West would provide access to the Zoo, I don't think it warrant's it's own station (I've now got U2's "Zoo Station" stuck in my head)
loyatemu wrote: » it's an urban/suburban line, there are stations on the existing Dart that are only 1km apart where it goes through the city and inner suburbs.
donvito99 wrote: » The DART doesn't deviate though. If you were going from Cabra to O'Connell St, you'd be better off getting the Luas or a bus rather than hopping on a train which goes North, before heading East and stopping twice more before it finally turns South to the area you want to go. Encouraging this kind of use detracts from the service vital to getting lots of people from the West into the City quickly.
LXFlyer wrote: » I don’t think anyone is saying no station in Cabra. But I would think that two stations between Heuston West and Glasnevin would be overkill. One really is sufficient, as originally planned, located between Cabra Road and Faussagh Avenue. Every station adds two minutes to journey times and I don’t see anymore than those three actually happening, not least due to the location issues.
loyatemu wrote: » Inchicore?
LXFlyer wrote: » That’s going the other way from Heuston. Kylemore Road I would see as a certainty. But along the “Gullet” would be next to impossible given it is to be expanded to four tracks. There really isn’t the space. Possibly just west of Sarsfield Road on Inchicore Works land?
