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Liverpool FC Team Talk, Gossip, Rumours 2020/2021

Thanx 4 The Fish

Just in case guys, I may have suggested that the last one may have been the one and I still may be right but it has been suggested that we get this one up just in case it all goes LFC's way this evening.

YNWA

Old one here.

https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2058050887&page=631

For the day that may be in it, heres a bit of awful singing.

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Talisman

yourdeadwright wrote: »

Honest question who's is the last CB to come to England from Seria A and excel ?

That lad, Marcel Desailly didn't do too bad at Chelsea.

~Rebel~

Talisman wrote: »

That lad, Marcel Desailly didn't do too bad at Chelsea.

Yeah, I think its more a case that not many great CB's have come from Serie A in the first place.

It's almost just as difficult to answer "who's is the last CB to come to England from Seria A and fail".
Having real trouble thinking of any high-profile CB's that came from Italy over the past 15 years or so...

Agent Coulson

A company doing work at the Kirkby training site.

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~Rebel~ wrote: »

Yeah, I think its more a case that not many great CB's have come from Serie A in the first place.

It's almost just as difficult to answer "who's is the last CB to come to England from Seria A and fail".
Having real trouble thinking of any high-profile CB's that came from Italy over the past 15 years or so...

Materazzi....can't believe that was over 20 years ago!

Also Roque Junior a few years later

dogbert27

GK: Allison-Adrian-Kelleher

RB: TAA-Williams

CB: VVD-Gomez-Matip-???

LB: Robertson-Lewis (!)

MD: Henderson-Fabinho-Gini-Keita-Milner-Ox-Jones-Elliot

FW: Salah-Firmino-Mane-Minamino-Origi-Shaqiri

I think Elliot will be kept in the squad instead of a loan but Brewster will go out again to get game time.

Shaqiri will go and I think Klopp will be happy either way to keep Origi or let him go for a good price 25-30 million. We got 27 million for Benteke I think we could get similar for Origi in todays market!

Woodburn and Wilson should probably be sold if offers come in for them this transfer window.

If rumours are right we could be adding Thiago to the midfield and we need 1 more CB.

We've played 4-3-3 and it's worked with our attacking full backs but puts a lot of work on the midfield.

Recently Peter Krawitez said:

"I looked at a series of two or three games in great detail. Sometimes I spent several days with a game: rewinding and fast forward and thinking about in detail why which situations happened.

"From this, something fundamental has now emerged that we want to use in the coming months. It's mainly about details and small adjustments around our game principles. I've been trying, so to speak, to turn ideas into insights so that we can take the next small step."

So there's changes going to come. I wonder will we change formation next season?

Harry Palmr

If Origi and Shaqiri leave Brewster will need to stay.

dogbert27

Harry Palmr wrote: »

If Origi and Shaqiri leave Brewster will need to stay.

Will Brewster be happy to play the Origi role with limited game time?

It could potentially hamper his progress although he benefits from training daily with the squad.

noodler

.G. wrote: »

Yup. I respect there are differing views but I just can't fathom how some fans are unhappy right now. We get accused of entitlement as a fanbase and I can see why. Just look at the replies to anything the club tweets these days, its an absolute embarrassment, that and the FSG out types :rolleyes:. If they can't be happy after the last couple of seasons they never will be.

The argument is you buy from a position of strength and maybe keep winning, yeah all good if its possible but it guarantees you nothing, just like not buying and going with what we have guarantees nothing either but certainly doesn't guarantee failure like some seem to think it does.

Entitlement.

Unhappy.

Embarrassment.

I've said it before but any discussion here that goes against the consensus has an awful habit of being mislabeled in the most extreme terms.

y0ssar1an22

Agent Coulson wrote: »

A company doing work at the Kirkby training site.

https://www.instagram.com/p/CDeHLntFf48/

think there must be an 'm' missing from that report :pac:

yourdeadwright

Talisman wrote: »

That lad, Marcel Desailly didn't do too bad at Chelsea.

He didn't play CB in Italy
He played midfeild he was AC's number 8 and there DM
Baresi, Costacurta, Maldini, Galli all perefered at CB

But yes he was amazing CB for Chelsea, actully started off as a sweeper for them then a traditional CB

Harry Palmr

dogbert27 wrote: »

Will Brewster be happy to play the Origi role with limited game time?

It could potentially hamper his progress although he benefits from training daily with the squad.

This is the important bit for me, better to spent half a season of 40 training sessions then get some games than go back out and play every week in a side you'll only be a temporary part of and which will clearly not be anything like Klopp's Liverpool.

Agent Coulson

Actually sticking in real competitive goals week in week out is a lot more important for someone his age now than training and playing under 23's and 5 minutes here and there for the senior team.

~Rebel~

Harry Palmr wrote: »

If Origi and Shaqiri leave Brewster will need to stay.

Really really really hope not. Weirdly, I think if he stays it's likely the end of his Liverpool career. A few appearances where he looks lost, before being moved on a-la Solanke. His best shot is to keep up the momentum he got out on loan this year with another loan so he can improve his passing and interplay away from the pressure his every Liverpool appearance would have on him. You just know a few games of him not being able to keep up or get involved in the passing the front 3 normally do, and the knives will be out. Origi gets enough shit for it, and he's a lot better at that stuff than Brewster is.

The choice of loan is vital though - can't be another team where he's the out and out striker playing on the break. It has to be a team with a lot of possession who play the ball around in the final third.

noodler

Agent Coulson wrote: »

Actually sticking in real competitive goals week in week out is a lot more important for someone his age now than training and playing under 23's and 5 minutes here and there for the senior team.

Absolutely.

I wouldn't even have thought that was a question.

Harry Palmr

Read what I said

Half a season of training, senior training not U23s obviously - then the games.

MD1990

A loan to Leeds under Bielsa would be good for Brewster.

pm1977x

~Rebel~ wrote: »

Yeah, I think its more a case that not many great CB's have come from Serie A in the first place.

It's almost just as difficult to answer "who's is the last CB to come to England from Seria A and fail".
Having real trouble thinking of any high-profile CB's that came from Italy over the past 15 years or so...

Ranocchia came to Hull a few years back and stank the place out beside Robertson in the relegation season, think he went back to Inter, was probably past his best. Rudiger seems very up and down at Chelsea.

~Rebel~

pm1977x wrote: »

Ranocchia came to Hull a few years back and stank the place out beside Robertson in the relegation season, think he went back to Inter, was probably past his best. Rudiger seems very up and down at Chelsea.

Good shouts. Ranocchia probably did about as expected really, didn't exactly come with any fanfare, was just being loaned from team to team by Inter at that stage.

I like Rudiger, he's the best they have back there I think. As with all their defenders (and keepers), he's had a rough year this year with Frank coaching one of the most exposed defenses in the Prem. Chelsea were caught on the break more times than any other team in the entire league this season, which is a fairly shocking indictment of their setup in midfield.

It's an interesting one though, for a country so historically reknowned for quality defensive players, very few of the high profile ones ever make their way to England. Weirdly few players come from Serie A to the Prem in general really, in comparison to the other top leagues imports.

8-10

~Rebel~ wrote: »

Good shouts. Ranocchia probably did about as expected really, didn't exactly come with any fanfare, was just being loaned from team to team by Inter at that stage.

I like Rudiger, he's the best they have back there I think. As with all their defenders (and keepers), he's had a rough year this year with Frank coaching one of the most exposed defenses in the Prem. Chelsea were caught on the break more times than any other team in the entire league this season, which is a fairly shocking indictment of their setup in midfield.

It's an interesting one though, for a country so historically reknowned for quality defensive players, very few of the high profile ones ever make their way to England. Weirdly few players come from Serie A to the Prem in general really, in comparison to the other top leagues imports.

I think, and this is going off memory, that when Italy won the World Cup in 2006 they were the only squad at the tournament where all their players play domestically.

England regularly do it too. They're the only major nations where that seems to happen. Both leagues are full of imports and you do have a trend now of young English player in Germany, and second rate Italians do go abroad, but in general the best players from both countries tend to stick exclusively to their own leagues with only a couple of exceptions.

The White Wolf

Harry Palmr wrote: »

If Origi and Shaqiri leave Brewster will need to stay.

I don't see Origi going yet. He signed a new contract last season to keep his value high but we of course wouldn't get what we hoped for now. There's plenty of room for Brewster without selling Origi if he proves good enough.

Charlie19

https://twitter.com/_Riddxck/status/1291355984116568065?s=19

There is a whole thread on Twitter dedicated to Firmino, it's full comments about Bobby from explayers.

I like the one from Crouchy.

Agent Coulson

Hansi Flick, Manager of @FCBayern, won‘t stop @Thiago6 for a transfer to @LFC
. Flick: „Thiago played in Spain for FC Barcelona and in the Bundesliga for FC Bayern. If he might want to try the step into Premier League, I totally understand that

https://twitter.com/cfbayern/status/1291629082904592384?s=20

Talisman

~Rebel~ wrote: »

Yeah, I think its more a case that not many great CB's have come from Serie A in the first place.

It's almost just as difficult to answer "who's is the last CB to come to England from Seria A and fail".
Having real trouble thinking of any high-profile CB's that came from Italy over the past 15 years or so...

There aren't any.

Marco Materazzi spent a season at Everton before they got rid of him, he subsequently went on to win several Serie A league titles, the Coppa Italia, the 2009/10 Champions League and Club World Cup with Inter Milan, and the 2006 World Cup with Italy. His time with Everton was over 20 years ago.

Gianluca Festa joined Middlesbrough from Inter Milan (1997/98? around the same time as Ravanelli), that was considered a coup at the time.

Matteo Ferrari looked decent during his loan spell from Roma to Everton (2005), but an injury ended any chance of the move being made permanent.

The only other Italian central defender I can recall transferring to the Premier League is Angelo Ogbonna at West Ham.

Being a good defender in Italy doesn't necessarily transfer to having a glittering career in other leagues, Walter Samuel is the best example of that. He was Roma's equivalent of Van Dijk before Real Madrid decided they just had to have him at the heart of their defence. At Madrid he looked like a fish out of water because he was the only defender in the back line. I remember watching his league debut against Espanyol (also Owen's debut), he got booked early on for mouthing off to the referee when one of the Espanyol players took a dive to win a penalty and rolled around a bit for effect. Espanyol took the lead and early in the second half Madrid replaced his defensive partner with a midfielder (Guti?) so Samuel became the defence, Helguero anchored the midfield and the fullbacks (Carlos and Salgado) were embedded in the opposition's half. It was a recipe for disaster, Samuel got sent off for an ankle tap around the 65 minute mark and the response from the manager was to hook Owen for Morientes and leave the defenders on the bench. Roberto Carlos got booked for standing about 5 feet in front of the wall for the resulting free kick. Salgado became the designated defender and was sent off for repeatedly kicking lumps out of players. Understandably Samuel didn't have a nice time at Madrid and joined Inter Milan the following summer where he went on to win everything partnering Marco Materazzi. When he left Inter I wanted us to sign him because I thought he was the ideal old head that could marshal the machine that was Skrtel, instead he joined Basel and they knocked us out of the Champions League.

Talisman

yourdeadwright wrote: »

He didn't play CB in Italy
He played midfeild he was AC's number 8 and there DM
Baresi, Costacurta, Maldini, Galli all perefered at CB

But yes he was amazing CB for Chelsea, actully started off as a sweeper for them then a traditional CB

He transitioned to centre back in his final season at Milan. I saw him play in the position against Juventus. He partnered Maldini, Costacurta played right back and when Maldini got injured Costacurta moved to the centre back position.

Fitz*

Agent Coulson wrote: »

https://twitter.com/cfbayern/status/1291629082904592384?s=20

How come there is a quote from Bayern Munich every 4 days about selling Thiago, and specifically to Liverpool?

Its sounding very fishy to me, this constant talk from Bayern. It's well known they don't sell a player for cheap without good reason. They are trying to create a market for him I think.

I have always doubted that Liverpool were actually ever interested. All the talk is from Bayern selling, and very publicly.

8-10

Talisman wrote: »

instead he joined Basel and they knocked us out of the Champions League.

Don't think he played against us though, he was already done at that point. Great in his day though

Agent Coulson

https://twitter.com/LFC/status/1291675870797664256?s=20

They are up against Kevin De Bruyne (Manchester City), Nick Pope (Burnley), Danny Ings (Southampton) and Jamie Vardy (Leicester City)

ERG89

No Van Dijk but don't worry Nick Pope makes the cut, god I wonder who had the better season between them. :rolleyes:

MD1990

It appears being English is a huge advantage for these nominations.

Knex*

Charlie19 wrote: »

https://twitter.com/_Riddxck/status/1291355984116568065?s=19

There is a whole thread on Twitter dedicated to Firmino, it's full comments about Bobby from explayers.

I like the one from Crouchy.

Was originally a quote about Busquets from del Bosque.