RobMc59 wrote: » I'm not gloating about anything. This is how I see it:NI are better off because the people are in control of their own destiny. Ireland is better off, if there is an agreement along with the people of NI there will be a UI. The UK(including NI)is free of terrorist attacks. The only organisation that has lost out is the IRA who have been forced to stand down without achieving their goal.
jm08 wrote: » The only ones who seem to care about the PIRA losing out, are unionists. No one else cares.
[Deleted User] wrote: » Average full time wage in ni £27434 (e30,458) Average full time wage in free state e39,000
Hamsterchops wrote: » Are you crazy We're all greatfull that the PIRA stopped killing people, and we're all grateful that the PIRA lost out. Only hard-line Republicans would have hoped for the Provos to have attained their aims through Terrorism. RIP John Hume.
jm08 wrote: » No, I'm not crazy. The only people who keep banging on about the PIRA are unionists
jm08 wrote: » So, if more foreign direct investment is brought into NI so that there are more jobs available, the percentage of public service jobs will fall as there will be more people working in the private sector. Seagate came to Derry in 1994 (brought by John Hume) providing 500 jobs then. It employs about 1500 now.
FrancieBrady wrote: » And bitter partitionists who are afraid now that SF are at the gate.
jh79 wrote: » NI doesn't invest enough to attract FDI which is a big financial obstacle for unification as the Republic would have to invest for a long time with no guarantee of a return.
The prospect of SF in power is another obstacle to a UI, their populist rhetoric about multinationals (Apple Tax that they would of already spent being a prime example) will frighten away FDI.
Jaysus, imagine someone like Conor Murphy trying to get a big company to come to NI?
jh79 wrote: » a mess of the Republic
jm08 wrote: » What does that mean? Who said anything about Sinn Fein being in power? A UI doesn't automatically mean that they will be. Sinn Fein have a lot of very wealthy Irish-Amercian supporters. They are the wealthiest political party on the island of Ireland seemingly. The only reason Gerry Adams got a US Visa at the time was to get him to convince this supporters to support peace. I recommend that John Hume in America documentary. Its really interesting to see the US angle in all of this.
FrancieBrady wrote: » Ha ha...as if the crowd running it for 100 years were paragons of virtue oe economic brilliance...have a titter of wit as they'd say. SF will be just another political party born out of a bloody past like every party on the island almost, nothing more nothing less.
jh79 wrote: » I'm sure you'll agree that Ireland transformed itself from the 90's on wards. More recently FG did a good job cleaning up FF mess and on a Macro scale we were in good shape economically pre-COVID.
FrancieBrady wrote: » What is the natiobal debt again? Accrued by the mishandling of FF while FG cheerlead them on. A FG so successful at getting us back into shape they recorded one of their worst results at a GE and had to usher in a FF leader to cling on to the power swap/share.
FrancieBrady wrote: » All those who embraced the GFA, have done well out of it. But don't forget what the GFA is: it is oversight and ultimate control vested in partnership between 2 sovereign governments who recognised eventually that power had been usurped by the majority community. The GFA redresses that and ensures it can never happen again. Instead of gloating about fantasy 'eviscerations' maybe you might be cognizant that one major party in NI has never accepted, much less embraced, the GFA. Those are the people you need to fear and be watchful off if you are a democrat.
jm08 wrote: » While I agree that the people of NI are better off now because of the GFA, they are not in control of their own destiny because they need the Secretary of State (who is a unionist) to give them the opportunity to decide their own destiny. The only ones who seem to care about the PIRA losing out, are unionists. No one else cares.
FrancieBrady wrote: » So why the f*** is it that everytime there is a call for a border poll there is a clamour from Unionists? Why the hell d they try to bring the place to a standstill, wreck their own areas whenever there are attempts to bring in normal societal measures and rights? Who lost out? You might get away with that nonsense wherever you are from...but we are dealing with steadfast unionist belligerence since the GFA. Your government had to step in to provide rights they have been denying ffs.
[Deleted User] wrote: » Surely the credit rating/borrowing rate is due to ecb essentially inventing money,and ecb interest rates near zero?? Took FG a decade to get to 0.1% surplus.....and within 2 years we are in near 20 billion of a hole again and no deal brexit looming
jh79 wrote: » Hardly blaming FG for COVID? Also remember FG kept a brexit fund of 6bn which SF were against and SF wanted to spend 15bn of the Apple tax. If SF were in power that would be an extra 21bn. They also wanted a higher COVID payment and increases in Corpo tax.
jh79 wrote: » And free gaffs for all with no evictions. Increased social and PS pay. All the expensive populist stuff.
[Deleted User] wrote: » Where did i say i was blaming em for it....just your saying sf would lead to x position....while falling inline and ignoring that ffg alteady have us there Seems to me sinn fein arent allowed into power here,any and all scams are pulled to insure it,so any and all critism of them over an imagined scearnio is surely pointless??
downcow wrote: » Gerry told us what we are dealing with “They haven’t gone away, you know”
“We will use equality as a Trojan horse” “We will break the bastards”
“But what’s the point? The point is to actually break these ba***rds - that’s the point. And what’s going to break them is equality. That’s what’s going to break them - equality. Who could be afraid of equality? Who could be afraid of treating somebody the way you want to be treated. That’s what we need to keep the focus on - that’s the trojan horse of the entire republican strategy.”
“Sinn Fein volunteers worked hard to carry on the struggle through setting up residents groups to oppose unionist parades”
“I was never in the ira” haha
[Deleted User] wrote: » Probably should have changed account there pal
[Deleted User] wrote: » Anyone,who believes this, PM me,ive some magic beans for sale
downcow wrote: » Francie Malloy seems a tad upset (and honest)
downcow wrote: » Gerry told us what we are dealing with “They haven’t gone away, you know” “We will use equality as a Trojan horse” “We will break the bastards” “Sinn Fein volunteers worked hard to carry on the struggle through setting up residents groups to oppose unionist parades” “I was never in the ira” haha
jm08 wrote: » Well, I don't think they had gone away in 1995 when he made that comment.https://www.independent.co.uk/news/ira-has-not-gone-away-adams-warns-ministers-ira-has-not-gone-away-1596152.html The 'bastards' Adams was referring to were bigots and homophobes (which unionism is riddle with but Gregory Campbell in particular here) and they were the ones equality would break. Full quote (read the link for full story) https://www.impartialreporter.com/news/13868873.gerry-adams-on-bigotry-in-unionism-the-point-is-to-break-these-brds/ So, DC, are you afraid of equality? Not sure what your objection is to this is. Civil rights and all that. Who cares if he was or he wasn't? Facts are he was interned twice and was never charged with being a member of the PIRA.https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/news/gerry-adams-i-was-not-a-member-of-the-ira-i-have-never-disassociated-myself-from-the-ira-and-never-will-until-the-day-i-die-38093014.html
FrancieBrady wrote: » Like I said...the siege mentality is strongest in those who feel they lost something. And you did lose and are still losing and will continue to lose because you hanker after the sectarian statelet you controlled. Again, your own government had to go above your wee heads to deliver rights to all of the people.
downcow wrote: » Wishful thinking I was listening to David Trimble interviewed after John Hume's death- you can pick it up on Nolan on the day of his death on BBC iPlayer. Nolan was affirming John Hume for bringing Sinn Fein along. Trimble said he disagreed and was incredibly clear of two things in response. 1) Sinn Fein had exploited John Hume 2) Sinn Fein and the IRA had reached a point of realising that they could not achieve their ends. He said they were so heavily infiltrated that the vast majority of their cells could not operate. Yes of course I know you will say they pulled off a spectacular in Manchester and maybe one or two others, but it was over, they were defeated, Manchester was the final kicks of a dying ruthless animal. Everyone, except a few old Republicans in dingy bars with several pints taken, realise that they were defeated. They used the John Hume initiative to try and save a little face. You can say as many times as you like that the Unionists lost, but we have got absolutely everything that we had 25 years ago, and you have got absolutely nothing that you and the IRA aspired towards. Yes you can continue to aspire, and try to lift your self esteem, by trying to convince yourselves that you were in control the process. John Hume was very intelligent and realised that you were defeated but that you needed some sort of face-saving exercise. He didn't get you very much but then he didn't need to because beggars cannot be choosers
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