SafeSurfer wrote: » Like saying “aren’t we glad we aren’t shooting and bombing ye any more”. Do you not believe freeing people, wrongly convicted, is as worthy of commendation as ending a campaign of violence? Both were wrong. People suffered terribly as a result of both. But only republicans are to be commended for righting a wrong?
Truthvader wrote: » To be fair Sinn Fein /IRA couldn't really right a wrong as they murdered people so they can't be "released" as such because they're dead. Cant even remember where the bodies are in some cases. Plus as evidenced here many are prepared to glory in the "armed struggle" to use their preferred euphemism Have to laugh at the delusional emphasis here on Paul Quinn's murder being "not unconnected to criminality". No ****. Given that the IRA were devoted to criminality what can this actually mean?
maccored wrote: » thats like me chopping your hand off, then handing it back to you saying 'arent you happy I gave you your hand back?' you cant replace the years lost
Truthvader wrote: » Apologies probably my fault for pasting the whole thing in the first place. I wanted to just post a link but the IMC site only allowed me open the attachment. Anyway ends "debate" about what they actually said
The report of the Independent Monitoring Commission is an irrelevance. An irrelevance even if any independent credibility could be attached to its findings. On Thursday (10 February) it concluded the IRA was responsible for a series of robberies, including the Northern Bank robbery on 10 December and that senior Sinn Féin people, by which it means Gerry Adams and Martin McGuiness, approved of these robberies in advance.
What, conceivably, would community groups, churches, charities, businesses and academics know about responsibility for robberies? Or about whether the Sinn Féin leadership knew or did not know of robberies in advance? What would political parties know in addition to what security forces would tell them? What would journalists know or lawyers or businesses? Private citizens? Families? The Independent Monitoring Commission is a joke and its findings and doings should be disregarded.
If the IRA did it, they must be planning on spending a huge amount of money on some project, which is what is worrying about it. And if that is true, then the likelihood is that the Sinn Féin leadership (ie Gerry Adams and Martin McGuinness) were not in on it either before or after, for any such project would destroy what they have been about for over a decade.
joeguevara wrote: » They were released because of a huge campaign. The British powers knew they were innocent but wouldn’t release them. So, no, i give them absolutely no commendation for ruining those people’s lives.
maccored wrote: » the ira taught its people how to rob millions from a bank? Well, Ive learned something new today
SafeSurfer wrote: » Are you really saying it isn’t commendable when innocent people are released from prison?
joeguevara wrote: » Ah come on, at least tell us what happened prosecution wise after the Bloody Sunday enquiry? And are we really saying it is commendable releasing people after being wrongfully imprisonmened?
SafeSurfer wrote: » What have the IRA done during this new era of honesty and reconciliation? Gerry (OC Belfast Brigade) Adams was never a volunteer.
The Northern Bank Robbery - It could have been the Mexicans.
The disappeared - I could have sworn we buried that body around here somewhere.
Paul Quinn- sure everyone knew he had it coming.
SafeSurfer wrote: » So the International Monitoring Commission can’t be trusted either. Is that it? Only the dogmatic Sinn Fein party line on all matters pertaining to the Troubles and their aftermath and their assessment of same is to be believed. As despicably as the British acted during the conflict they did spend over £200 million in the Bloody Sunday enquiry, eventually released those wrongly imprisoned, like the Birmingham Six and Guilford Four, imprisoned soldiers convicted of murder. What have the IRA done during this new era of honesty and reconciliation? Gerry (OC Belfast Brigade) Adams was never a volunteer. The Northern Bank Robbery - It could have been the Mexicans. The disappeared - I could have sworn we buried that body around here somewhere. Paul Quinn- sure everyone knew he had it coming.
SafeSurfer wrote: » It’s obviously incorrect to state that no one knows who robbed the Northern Bank.
FrancieBrady wrote: » No it isn't. It is another reason to stay on the side of 'I don't know'. This is the place where the entire British establishment - from the BA to the judiciary (Widgery) conspired to cover up and blame republicans for Bloody Sunday. Always be deeply deeply suspicious when there is certitude emanating from certain quarters but not a scintilla of actual evidence capable of convicting.
SafeSurfer wrote: » Whataboutery again.
Truthvader wrote: » Lots of attention from all the Sinn Fein/ IRA fake news propaganda team. Nothing further to say everyone can read the IMC reports themselves. Does occur to me that the Post Office don't have a dedicated paramilitary wing in charge of maiming teenagers and murdering housewifes - but then again I have no definitive "proof" of this so I expect that will be up for debate too
maccored wrote: » im waiting for you to admit that you do not know who robbed the NI bank. No-one else knows.
atticu wrote: » I didn’t know that the post office had started teaching their employees how to rob banks . Well, I have learnt something new today.
Fann Linn wrote: » So we can rule out SF as they're not an illegal organisation.
SafeSurfer wrote: » Lots of comedy gold on this thread. Like posters relying on the IMC report to argue that the IRA wasn’t involved in the Paul Quinn murder and simultaneously dismissing the IMC report that finds the IRA robbed the Northern Bank. Is there any reason for the duplicity apart from hypocrisy?
maccored wrote: » if i work in the post office and me and load of post office mates decide to rob a bank - it wasnt the post office that robbed it.
SafeSurfer wrote: » Substitute “illegal organisation” for “post office”. If I work in an illegal organisation and me and a load of illegal organisation mates decide to rob a bank - it wasn’t the illegal organisation that robbed it. I see your logic.
maccored wrote: » ah I know. Its hilarious some of the stuff that s/he posts though.
dundalkfc10 wrote: » Would not bother. If Sinn Fein found a cure for cancer, Truthser would say, cant take credit for that sure the IRA started cancer
maccored wrote: » you do realise there were less than a few hundred active IRA volunteers at any one time. Im sure very few of them lasted a full 30 years. the IRA was in the process of disbanding at that time - I doubt anyone 'lost control' of them. Unless of course you can show me some proof to back up this claim that you KNOW it was the IRA. You dont know. No-one knows who robbed it. About time you admitted that.
Truthvader wrote: » If you spend thirty years recruiting and training a gang of thugs in criminal entitlement and savagery - and they go off the reservation because you lose control of them it is 100% your fault
