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Liverpool FC Team Talk, Gossip, Rumours 2020/2021

Thanx 4 The Fish

Just in case guys, I may have suggested that the last one may have been the one and I still may be right but it has been suggested that we get this one up just in case it all goes LFC's way this evening.

YNWA

Old one here.

https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2058050887&page=631

For the day that may be in it, heres a bit of awful singing.

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noodler

~Rebel~ wrote: »

If the Werner thing was happening at just about any other time, we might have bought (or at least bid the release clause - it's hard to see him not having taken double the wages at Chelsea anyway...). But it happened in the midst of a pandemic, and recession, with no fans at stadiums, and general uncertainty over what the future holds. Feels like the actual severity of conditions somehow gets forgotten every so often in here... a trillion dollars disappeared worldwide, and the UK market returns went to minus 25% Of course that will stop a business from investing in a non-essential backup - sure the plan would have been for him to be a starter long term, but that obviously means it was not an essential need right now. There are a lot of players out there for another day as the need grows larger down the road. For Chelsea meanwhile he's a nailed on starter, and key to their rebuild, which is why they're paying him double what we would have in wages.

Stands to reason though, right?... Like, when your starting options are only alright, then your policy should be to try to improve upon them and relegate the only alright guys to backup. But when your starting options are pretty much world class in every position, to improve upon them costs an awful lot more. Is there a single position in the first team that we could confidently improve upon for less than 75 million? I'm not sure to be honest. So obviously when your starting 11 is so good, your policy shifts to ensuring the backups are of a quality that won't lower the teams output by too much.

In both cases, circumstances change decision making policy.

Settling for players that wont push on the first XI shouldn't really be the policy.

Maybe we go again exactly like the last two years with the same XI but I think we already underutilise much of our squad as it is because the gap in quality is too large.

~Rebel~

Fitz* wrote: »

They strike me as the players that are extremely proud to represent their country, and are proud to be the figureheads of African football.

They both attended the African football awards a couple of seasons ago and missed training so they could attend the day before a (Everton I think) game.

They might miss some friendlies but they always play in competitive games for their countries.

Yeah, could see that being the case too... they're more than just players in their teams, and more than just footballers in their countries.

I totally get the AFCON motivation to have a tournament every two years, as it boosts the professionalism of their players, and gets the worlds eyes on upcoming African players.

But as the quality of players improves, the dates are really starting to become counter productive, with teams being very wary of having too many Africans now. I know summer is prohibitive with the heat, as the last tournament showed, but it would be great if they could alternate even - every second tournament could be in the winter, in a Northern African country, while the opposing tournament every other 2 years could be in the summer in a Southern African country below the equator during their winter. I think teams could manage only worrying about losing their players every 4 years, but every second season is too big a loss.

~Rebel~

noodler wrote: »

Settling for players that wont push on the first XI shouldn't really be the policy.

Maybe we go again exactly like the last two years with the same XI but I think we already underutilise much of our squad as it is because the gap in quality is too large.

Obviously you should try to buy players that can push - but that's a different thing to buying "better than you have" as you said.

If you want to buy better than we have you're very limited in the players you can go for, and they're all very expensive. What they're doing is exactly right I think, buying players who are good, but who they think have high ceilings to move into.

Salah and Mane and Bobby and Coutinho and Suarez and Robertson and Gini etc etc all joined and improved upon where they were as players. It's the next versions of those guys pre-liverpool we should be (and im sure are) looking for - players who become the level we need them to be at Liverpool, rather than buying them fully formed at 3 times the price.

The exceptions have been Alisson and VVD - they're the only players we've bought that were the finished article already, since they were the final pieces of the puzzle in key positions.

So, more of the same is what I want anyway. More astute judgement of talent before it's universally recognized (in the 10 - 45m range), rather than trying to get players already established at the same world class level of our own guys. From this point, 70m+ moves should only really be to replace a starter who is leaving - and with a bit of luck and good work, it won't come to that as the replacement will already be at the club in that event.

Dickerty

~Rebel~ wrote: »

I think teams could manage only worrying about losing their players every 4 years, but every second season is too big a loss.

There is already a proposal to move the 2023 tournament to the summer - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2023_Africa_Cup_of_Nations

Osmosis Jones

Arsenal just let 55 staff members go in the middle of a global pandemic, while signing new players and throwing around big contracts. If we had to choose I think I'd rather normal people keep their jobs.

gimli2112

I wouldn't be too hasty to cast stones as we could do the same. Businesses always look at expenses when their bottom line is threatened. I'm not advocating it and it's one of the many many reasons I hate the corporate world but that's the way it works.

Agent Coulson

There will be plenty of online Liverpool fan accountants who have seen Liverpool's accounts that will continue to say FSG are just cheap skating no matter what.

Osmosis Jones

gimli2112 wrote: »

I wouldn't be too hasty to cast stones as we could do the same. Businesses always look at expenses when their bottom line is threatened. I'm not advocating it and it's one of the many many reasons I hate the corporate world but that's the way it works.

I'm not throwing stones, I called Liverpool out with the furlough shìte too, I'm saying it's mad for people to be complaining about the club not spending as much money as they want on new signings in times like these.

gimli2112

Osmosis Jones wrote: »

I'm not throwing stones, I called Liverpool out with the furlough shìte too, I'm saying it's mad for people to be complaining about the club not spending as much money as they want on new signings in times like these.

No I wasn't accusing you of anything just meant we might be doing the same shortly.

yourdeadwright

Osmosis Jones wrote: »

Arsenal just let 55 staff members go in the middle of a global pandemic, while signing new players and throwing around big contracts. If we had to choose I think I'd rather normal people keep their jobs.

I don't see the problem with this ,

These are hospitality staff there job is basically gone ,
Like any other cooperation why would they be keep if there is no job to do ?
Obviously its bad news for them and I hope they find work but its hardly surprising ,

There are games to be played so Arsenal still need footballers,

~Rebel~

Osmosis Jones wrote: »

I'm not throwing stones, I called Liverpool out with the furlough shìte too, I'm saying it's mad for people to be complaining about the club not spending as much money as they want on new signings in times like these.

Indeed.. .Liverpool are one of the very few privilaged clubs who can actually afford to largely stand still while all this is going on. We don't need progress, we just need to maintain. As much as we don't want to think about it, the world is still very much in flux, especially when it comes to money.

Harry Palmr

Arsenal's problem is their owner not Covid 19

Agent Coulson

Bobby did an interview in English for Fox Sports Asia where he talked up Minamino and has taken him under his wing and they speak German together.

Bobby is the best.

Agent Coulson

Pearce reporting Liverpool want to pay £8m up front and £2m in add ins for Lewis however Norwich want more than double that at £20m and are not under pressure to sell.

robwen

Why are Liverpool leaking transfer info to the usual itk journos again

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The Hendo shuffle has made it to Fortnite, what a time to be alive fellow reds...

Muahahaha

Osmosis Jones wrote: »

I'll always be upset that this goal from that season doesn't get more recognition, and it's entirely because the game ended 2-2 thanks to Spurs getting 2 fraudulent penalties in the last 5 minutes.

Truly is a superb goal, he goes through three defenders beating one of them twice. Id say it looks an even better goal from a pitchside camera angle

@Osmosis any chance you could make a gif out of Klopps celebrations after the trophy lift. Starts about 1.10 on this video.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BqGuMNAp4DU

garra

robwen wrote: »

Why are Liverpool leaking transfer info to the usual itk journos again

Might suit them to leak some transfer info, to encourage player agitation etc. While other transfers it might suit them to keep mum, if competitors could be interested in same player but have not bid yet. As long as they are doing what's best for the club I don't care if these things are leaked or not.

BorneTobyWilde

Roberto Firmino believes Liverpool fans will see the best of Takumi Minamino next season.

The Japan international joined Liverpool from Red Bull Salzburg in January and has taken time to settle at Anfield.

Firmino said: “Minamino is a very, very good person. I like his quality and his personality.

“It’s good because I can speak with him in German. He can speak good German and me too. We talk in German.

“He’s a very good player and I think he will be very good for us, for the team.”

Fitz*

robwen wrote: »

Why are Liverpool leaking transfer info to the usual itk journos again

Cos it's close, would be my thinking.

Liverpool are saying they are getting the player for 10. Norwich are saying they are selling for 20. A deal will be struck for 15, or 10+Larouci or something and both clubs move on amicably.

But both have positive news for their fans as they faught their corner and got a good deal.

citytillidie

NB could not do this

https://twitter.com/Lakers/status/1291094047419797504?s=19

The White Wolf

Just read on the Athletic that City are gunning for Koulibaly and it will happen if they're willing to part with €80m. Article described him as the type of leader they want in the mould of Kompany which is something that they badly missed last season.

Jesus I hope they don't part with the dosh.

Agent Coulson

Koulibaly has been linked to every big club now for about 4 seasons and none of them have gone near him. You would have to wonder why no went near him before now really he is nearly 30 now and throwing that kind of money on him now seems strange when the same amount would have gotten him 2/3/4 seasons ago.

Fromvert

The White Wolf wrote: »

Just read on the Athletic that City are gunning for Koulibaly and it will happen if they're willing to part with €80m. Article described him as the type of leader they want in the mould of Kompany which is something that they badly missed last season.

Jesus I hope they don't part with the dosh.

He'd be another left sided CB to go along with Laporte and Ake. He may be right footed but he always seems to be on the left side.

Take VVD, he's a right footed left sided CB, when TAA was younger and more liable to make mistakes, we never shoved VVD over there to give him some added protection when on paper it would look like an easy help. CB's just seem to stay where they are. At 29 I can't see him making that switch to a right sided CB.

gimli2112

Agent Coulson wrote: »

Koulibaly has been linked to every big club now for about 4 seasons and none of them have gone near him. You would have to wonder why no went near him before now really he is nearly 30 now and throwing that kind of money on him now seems strange when the same amount would have gotten him 2/3/4 seasons ago.

City had Kompany or didn't really have any competition 2/3/4 years ago.

Agent Coulson

gimli2112 wrote: »

City had Kompany or didn't really have any competition 2/3/4 years ago.

Man U, Chelsea, Arsenal, Barca, Madrid, PSG , Juve the list goes on have all needed a world class CB for the last few seasons and have blown money elsewhere or gone a bit cheaper option that haven't worked out.

MD1990

Koulibaly got schooled by Lukaku last week.

He hasnt had his greatest season in Serie A by all accounts.

~Rebel~

Fromvert wrote: »

He'd be another left sided CB to go along with Laporte and Ake. He may be right footed but he always seems to be on the left side.

Take VVD, he's a right footed left sided CB, when TAA was younger and more liable to make mistakes, we never shoved VVD over there to give him some added protection when on paper it would look like an easy help. CB's just seem to stay where they are. At 29 I can't see him making that switch to a right sided CB.

Where both CB's are right footed (as is very often the case given the majority of footballers are righties), then generally the better of the pair plays left. I've no doubt Koulibaly would be fine and dandy playing right CB.

Be a great buy for City, especially with that quality of player around him, hope they don't manage to pull it off.

80m sounds cheap to be honest, unless Napoli need the money. He's not gone before because he would have instantly been the most expensive defender in the world. If Utd could have gotten him instead of Maguire for the same price, i've no doubt they would've. Though I guess being another year older lowers his price a bit, compared to what he'd have cost last year or the year before.

BorneTobyWilde

City break the financial fair play regulations, and then buys their way out of trouble, which is the most ironic thing I've ever seen in my life, and now look set to splash 1/4 of a billion in this transfer window.
WTF.
The should have been banned for two windows from buying anyone, if there was any justice.

gimli2112

but they were innocent, right? :rolleyes: