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What are your views on Multiculturalism in Ireland? - Threadbanned User List in OP

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I would like to see a Boards.ie Consensus.

Economists agree that immigration has a net positive on the economy and this immigration is surely a wonderful thing for the county.

Agree/Disagree?

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Yellow_Fern

Gentlemanne wrote: »

Right leaning? Back in 2016 he was what I would probably consider a poster-child of the alt-right, and he doesn't seem to have changed at all since. He joined the far-right UKIP and defends Trump to an incredible degree.

He is absolutely a swindler and is radicalizing people with his often dishonest and misinformed content (White nationalist Richard Spencer agrees: https://archive.is/Zlfds).

I hope you aren't aware of his casual use of slurs and invocation of sexual assault, because I don't think any reasonable person would defend someone like that.

Alt Right is basically the same as far right. They can be hard to define but the overriding principle that defines them is the notion that some races are intrinsically superior and that they must be kept apart. Sargon does not espouse that. He is very clear about he rejects that concept. Again being a member of a party or liking Trump doesnt define your political orientation, your values do. The former head of the KKK endorsed the social democrat democat Ilhan Omar (on anti Jew grounds), but that hardly make her a white supremacist.

He said slurs but he never called anyone a slur just like Dave Chappelle. He mentioned sexual assault but he didnt invoke it. trollish but racist. Look it up.

jmreire

Gentlemanne wrote: »

You've met thousands of Muslims, none of which have made you reconsider the notion that the second biggest major world religion is personally responsible for terrorism and mass rape?

I took a look at the youtube channel you suggested and I saw the same rightwing nutjob grifters (like Sargon of Akkad) that I've seen cause people to become obsessed about anti-Muslim sentiments, conspiracy etc.

Sad when young people get caught up in that kind of thing.

How many have you met Gentlemanne.??
I'm still waiting for you to answer the question that I asked you before. So Ins'h Allah, maybe I'll get an answer this time. So once again, how many Islamic Country's have you lived in, and for how long? or are you getting your info off the interned and media?? The very same places's you accuse other's of forming their opinion's on?

Gentlemanne

Yellow_Fern wrote: »

Sargon of Akkad is right leaning and he can be a provocateur but he isn't a swindler. yes you can argue he is obsessed by these issues but the people obsessed by a topic are more likely to spot an issue than others (the corollary is that they are prone to false positives). The point being, arguments should be considered on their own merits.

Right leaning? Back in 2016 he was what I would probably consider a poster-child of the alt-right, and he doesn't seem to have changed at all since. He joined the far-right UKIP and defends Trump to an incredible degree.

He is absolutely a swindler and is radicalizing people with his often dishonest and misinformed content (White nationalist Richard Spencer agrees: https://archive.is/Zlfds).

I hope you aren't aware of his casual use of slurs and invocation of sexual assault, because I don't think any reasonable person would defend someone like that.

Yellow_Fern

Gentlemanne wrote: »

You've met thousands of Muslims, none of which have made you reconsider the notion that the second biggest major world religion is personally responsible for terrorism and mass rape?

I took a look at the youtube channel you suggested and I saw the same rightwing nutjob grifters (like Sargon of Akkad) that I've seen cause people to become obsessed about anti-Muslim sentiments, conspiracy etc.

Sad when young people get caught up in that kind of thing.

Sargon of Akkad is right leaning and he can be a provocateur but he isn't a swindler. yes you can argue he is obsessed by these issues but the people obsessed by a topic are more likely to spot an issue than others (the corollary is that they are prone to false positives). The point being, arguments should be considered on their own merits.

Gentlemanne

murphthesmurf wrote: »

I'm short on time, but here's my 2 cents worth.
I'm English, so kind of a migrant myself in Ireland. I grew up in England and spent over 30yrs there in one of the most diverse areas of the country. I was a racist towards anyone who wasn't white when I was younger. I met people through my life that changed my outlook through school and work and today I don't think of myself as being racist. At least not as far as skin colour goes, I had many black and Indian friends over the years and more recently Eastern Europeans. Most just get along, go to work, have a laugh and a joke together.
But... Not all. Some cultures rarely get along and never integrate. The same cultures that are responsible for the terrorism. The same culture that is responsible for the rape of upto half a million children across the UK. I've changed my mind about many people, but I've never met a Muslim who's ever changed my mind. Only ever reinforced my beliefs, and I've met more Muslim's than any other minority, probably in the thousands.
There's a great Podcast episode of Triggernometry with Dr Ella Hill, a Rotherham grooming gangs survivor that's worth listening to.

You've met thousands of Muslims, none of which have made you reconsider the notion that the second biggest major world religion is personally responsible for terrorism and mass rape?

I took a look at the youtube channel you suggested and I saw the same rightwing nutjob grifters (like Sargon of Akkad) that I've seen cause people to become obsessed about anti-Muslim sentiments, conspiracy etc.

Sad when young people get caught up in that kind of thing.

Mr. Karate

TheCitizen wrote: »

People from different cultures are not being allowed in here in unlimited numbers Karate Kid.

If the Govt isn't stopping them, or actively deporting them when they're asylum claims aren't denied then yes immigration is unlimited here since the Govt clearly isn't saying "No" and "You're out".

murphthesmurf

I'm short on time, but here's my 2 cents worth.
I'm English, so kind of a migrant myself in Ireland. I grew up in England and spent over 30yrs there in one of the most diverse areas of the country. I was a racist towards anyone who wasn't white when I was younger. I met people through my life that changed my outlook through school and work and today I don't think of myself as being racist. At least not as far as skin colour goes, I had many black and Indian friends over the years and more recently Eastern Europeans. Most just get along, go to work, have a laugh and a joke together.
But... Not all. Some cultures rarely get along and never integrate. The same cultures that are responsible for the terrorism. The same culture that is responsible for the rape of upto half a million children across the UK. I've changed my mind about many people, but I've never met a Muslim who's ever changed my mind. Only ever reinforced my beliefs, and I've met more Muslim's than any other minority, probably in the thousands.
There's a great Podcast episode of Triggernometry with Dr Ella Hill, a Rotherham grooming gangs survivor that's worth listening to.

Bobblehats

JPCN1 wrote: »

Obviously they don't fear any potential consequences and they're probably right.

Obviously in another era they’d be considered marauders and duly kept at bay but here we are caugtt hit with our pants down. With the back door open, flapping in the breeze

JPCN1

Bobblehats wrote: »

Bit of a pattern of idiotic kids filming themselves doing that. Wouldn’t you say

Obviously they don't fear any potential consequences and they're probably right.

Bobblehats

TheCitizen wrote: »

I don't see why you think anyone would try to defend that. Obviously the kid who filmed himself doing that is an idiot.

Bit of a pattern of idiotic kids filming themselves doing that. Wouldn’t you say

TheCitizen

Mr. Karate wrote: »

Leftists refuse to admit that there are cultures that are completely incompatible with ours and letting people from these cultures into our cultures in unlimited numbers always leads to conflict and an inevitable collapse in our societies.

People from different cultures are not being allowed in here in unlimited numbers Karate Kid.

TheCitizen

Bobblehats wrote: »

Just another example of another fish out of water. It’s black and white; the contrast is too great they’re not like us at all at all. We’re losing a lot of respect internationally I hope people realise

dominatinMC wrote: »

Absolutely sickening. Let's see the liberals attempt to defend that.

I don't see why you think anyone would try to defend that. Obviously the kid who filmed himself doing that is an idiot.

The usual lot on here jumping on it to have a go at multiculturalism chimed in with by others with supporting comments and thanks. This place stinks. The site is losing all sense of credibility.

Mr. Karate

Bobblehats wrote: »

Just another example of another fish out of water. It’s black and white; the contrast is too great they’re not like us at all at all. We’re losing a lot of respect internationally I hope people realise

Leftists refuse to admit that there are cultures that are completely incompatible with ours and letting people from these cultures into our cultures in unlimited numbers always leads to conflict and an inevitable collapse in our societies.

2u2me

biko wrote: »

It took a while for GMB to follow in Farage's footsteps and report on the channel boats, but at least they finally did.

For a morning show it's more like a bloodsport recently. Very entertaining altogether.

Bobblehats

Mr. Karate wrote: »

Diversity is our greatest strength. That homeless Man should check his privilege and be grateful that the "New Irish" gentleman culturally enriched him.

Just another example of another fish out of water. It’s black and white; the contrast is too great they’re not like us at all at all. We’re losing a lot of respect internationally I hope people realise

Mr. Karate

Tipperary animal lover wrote: »

https://twitter.com/i/status/1289957547726659591
Happy out

Diversity is our greatest strength. That homeless Man should check his privilege and be grateful that the "New Irish" gentleman culturally enriched him.

biko

It took a while for GMB to follow in Farage's footsteps and report on the channel boats, but at least they finally did.

https://twitter.com/GMB/status/1290517823106813953

Hi_thur_folks

I’ll give you a day in the life.

Every morning I get up for work and go into my full time job where I am earning 40% less than I did before Covid. I’ve had to get an overdraft and I’m earning under the living wage. I am educated and have worked many different types of jobs slowly building up to a wage that is ‘ok’, but I’m hoping in time experience will increase that.
I come from a humble background and neither of my parents have degrees but are hardworking self employed.

On my way there and back to the Dart station. My path is blocked by groups of Roma, large families that stay in the hostels along each side. I have to step out into the traffic lane to avoid them. With Covid it’s extremely frustrating. Also they don’t wear masks.

The men congregate on a nearby street at night, just hanging out and are actually no problem at all. I understand they don’t really have an alternative living in emergency accom. And there is space to go around them. But the paths are too narrow for 10+ people to travel in tandem, which happens every day at rush hour times when the hostels let them in and out. The rest of us have to swerve for our own concerns. One day somebody will get knocked down.

During schools hours I pass by a multicultural primary school. Then the dub mammies also clog up the street! I see women with buggies and multiple kids and think - how can they afford that? I hope I can walk my kids to school one day. Then I think of my colleague who drops her kids to crèche at 7am every morning.

Then I get on the Dart mostly people travelling to work too. All colours - including Roma’s who in a couple of hours time when I’m walking to the supermarket to find the cheapest lunch possible, shake their cups and ask me for change.

After a long shift which I was expected to finish at 6pm, became 8pm. I agreed to start earlier tomorrow in order to get an important project over the line.

On the way home I go back up ‘that street’, the hostels are back open. Again I swerve to avoid families returning to their homes for a night. On my right there are 2 black lads dressed in dark sportswear with hoods up and masks standing talking to a junkie.
Ahead of me a worried looking girl strides towards the lads looking for her fix. I watch as she crosses the road towards them. Two other guys do the same.

To my left is a mosque, it’s beside the supermarket. I only realised during lockdown cos Fridays are busier than usual and you see worshippers on their way there esp on Fridays. Almost home I pop into my local spar and say hi to the manager i chat to. He’s foreign and lovely.

At home, outside in the courtyard I can hear kids playing - Chinese and polish kids who live in harmony and have bonded during lock down.

We also have South American and German neighbours.

The most recent survey data of the area I live in says it’s the most multicultural area in Ireland (only 1/3 are Irish).
From what I see most people are just getting on with things but all struggling in their own way. Trying to eke (spelling?!) out a living in the ways that they can. That goes for all of the people I’ve referenced above - including me.

What I detest are people online telling me that because of my skin colour that I am inherently racist. Eg the BLM movement and subsequent events.
And to ‘educate myself’. Most people I see doing this are extremely privileged in the real sense and wouldn’t dream to buy a house in the area I live in.

statesaver

Tipperary animal lover wrote: »

https://twitter.com/i/status/1289957547726659591
Happy out

Future doctor, sure

dominatinMC

Tipperary animal lover wrote: »

https://twitter.com/i/status/1289957547726659591
Happy out

Absolutely sickening. Let's see the liberals attempt to defend that.

Wibbs

Tipperary animal lover wrote: »

https://twitter.com/i/status/1289957547726659591
Happy out

Indeed. We had enough feral animals of our own, but we went and imported more. Diversity is our strength. Though try and find Asian young adults doing similar, or for that matter Muslim young adults.

Tipperary animal lover

https://twitter.com/i/status/1289957547726659591
Happy out

[Deleted User]

Mr. teddywinkles wrote: »

A lot of future ****holes across Europe id reckon.
And yes capitalism has a lot to blame for this. Pure and utter greed. No matter the cost.

Why blame capitalism? It's just an approach to economics. People tend to expand the scope of concepts far too much these days. There's nothing inherently wrong with capitalism, since it's an integral part of any successful economies worldwide. It's only with extremely small/limited groups that capitalism could be ignored and remain successful, but invariably they fail or move towards capitalist structures over time.

The problem isn't capitalism. The problem is short term thinking with desires for quick bursts of pleasure. That pleasure might be some kind of virtue signal, or even a more honest desire to help others, but without real commitment to researching the situation, and making effective stage based plans, things invariably go sour over time. Consequences are nasty things and in any democratic system where politicians are not responsible for what happens a decade after their term, there will be nasty consequences for short term planning. We've set up a political system which encourages our leaders to focus on small periods of time, rather than being responsible for long term gains.

The thing is that greed is too simple a reason. Take the British Empire for example. Their desire to expand was as a result of the threat that France, Russia etc represented to them, both as an empire and as a trading power. Their actual continued existence was dependent on their ability to increase their power and wealth. The same with most nations worldwide, except that European powers took it further than most. Greed is never the real answer for what happens.. there's always reasons that go far beyond greed.

The road to hell is paved with good intentions.

Eric Cartman

jmreire wrote: »

Very true, and if all the pro-multicultural supporters were to actually go and live in these Country'a for a length of time, there would be far fewer of them. And this craziness of expanding the worker base to support the retirees, for which apparently we need a continuous supply of migrant's ...what happen's when these increased Nrs reach their retirement age? Keep feeding into an ever more expanding base? This is not sustainable,

and this is half the problem, instead of trying to attract a much smaller number of high income earners and the wealthy to contribute to our tax base and fund those pensions, we, along with the rest of europe have chosen hoards of detractors who don't contribute enough to sustain themselves , let alone the pensions. The cynic in me thinks its all a ploy to either lobby the EU for more money to fund the migrants and pensions once we get over a certain debt to gdp ratio or just allow Ireland to sink back into poverty and say 'sure we just don't have the money, fend for yourselves'

Mr. teddywinkles

A lot of future ****holes across Europe id reckon.
And yes capitalism has a lot to blame for this. Pure and utter greed. No matter the cost.

jmreire

Just saw a joke posted on the net:-
Foreigner speaking to a European:-
Its all you European's fault that we have such trouble and strife in the world today..... with your carving up our Country's as you wished,,,,cutting across our natural and our cultural boundary's, without any input from from local people's. These were un-natural constructs, forcing people to mix with other people of different cultures and disposition. And you wonder why we have war's and disruption?
European: So, as a result of your experience of European interference, you are completely against "MultiCulture"?
Foreigner:---- What?
European :- When the Europeans forced you all to integrate as a result of carving up the boundaries, and you experienced "Multiculturism"
you have turned completely against it?
Foreigner:- Yes,,,
Foreigner:- pause....
Foreigner:- NO, I mean NO.

smurgen

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Absolutely, we can't keep never ending growth, stripping the earth of its resources and creating monumental levels of waste indefinitely. That sort of capitalism shouldn't be the future.

This is the problem I am wrestling with myself. The above sounds like a nihilistic approach in the way capitalism is being pursued currently. I love capitalism but I think it's we'll overdue a revamp. The ever increasing push for short term thinking is a result of short term incentives given to executives and shareholders. It's a false economy and people who do not benefit from the financial aspect will pay for it due to the externalities of production. We are all going to suffer if we do not push for more gradual, sustainable growth and development.

jmreire

weldoninhio wrote: »

That’s a very colonial attitude. Taking all the lovely multiculturism from Africa and keeping it to ourselves. I say all our European open borders/multiculturalist loons and NGO workers should head to Africa to set up wonderful multiculturism over there, rather than hoarding it all in Europe. Think of all the lovely new foods you could bring to them.

Very true, and if all the pro-multicultural supporters were to actually go and live in these Country'a for a length of time, there would be far fewer of them. And this craziness of expanding the worker base to support the retirees, for which apparently we need a continuous supply of migrant's ...what happen's when these increased Nrs reach their retirement age? Keep feeding into an ever more expanding base? This is not sustainable,

weldoninhio

Arthur Daley wrote: »

Bringing Irish home was in the Fine Gael manifesto as recently as the 2016 general election.

They promised to bring back tens of thousands of Irish by 2020. Of course they failed spectacularly.

They got Ibrahim back, the “Egyptian who lives in Ireland”

weldoninhio

I see sheep wrote: »

Agreed with what?

I'd love to for a couple of years, I've been around a bit.
But hard to make a living in Africa I'd imagine, I guess that's why a lot of people are sick of living in poverty and are trying for a better life.

That’s a very colonial attitude. Taking all the lovely multiculturism from Africa and keeping it to ourselves. I say all our European open borders/multiculturalist loons and NGO workers should head to Africa to set up wonderful multiculturism over there, rather than hoarding it all in Europe. Think of all the lovely new foods you could bring to them.