ezstreet5 wrote: » so 52 months from today until start of construction, and 64 months until opening?
ezstreet5 wrote: » A brief scroll along the land registry map seems to indicate that very few (or perhaps none) of the adjacent landowners have applied for adverse possession of the permanent way. That's not to say when a planning application for a greenway is filed, or when the railway is reactivated (which may need no application), or both, that a spate of adverse possession claims won't be filed. But adverse possession is difficult to prove, and goes well beyond, "I've been storing bales on those tracks for years."
ezstreet5 wrote: » So back to DTTAS with a third application for funding of the greenway build itself. Maybe that can be approved in as little as 3 months, with another 3 months to complete the tender process and award the construction contract (very optimistic on these last phases). Now the politician of your choice can don their hardhat and grab their ceremonial spade for the groundbreaking: so 52 months from today until start of construction, and 64 months until opening?
TCDStudent1 wrote: » When it comes to a greenway, how are level crossings handled? I think the rail line crosses the N17 4 times between Claremorris & Milltown. Would it be a case that it is up to greenway users to stop and wait for a space to cross the road? Or would a 'pedestrian' bridge be built? I haven't used any greenway in Ireland so I do not know how typically this situation would be handled.
Muckyboots wrote: » The obvious solution on the old N17 is to reroute the greenway alongside the road for about 3km to remove the necessity for any crossovers and bring the greenway through Ballindine. Excellent service and hospitality options available and an added boost to Ballindine businesses.
eastwest wrote: » Waterford is generally now cited as the benchmark for other greenways, so it is likely that the template there will apply. Crossing minor orads will involve two staggered gates to slow down cyclists and walkers, and signage will be erected on the greenway and the roads. Crossing National primary roads in Waterford was achieved by prefabricated overbridges that were dropped on over a weekend with a minimum of traffic disruption, plus a couple of prefab box underpasses that required excavation. Simple enough stuff.
blackwhite wrote: » https://www.google.com/maps/@54.0203721,-8.7550374,3a,75y/data=!3m4!1e1!3m2!1s2VE4DTFalITqBFOWQcBB1A!2e0 I’d say tarmacing over the line and gating it off probably helps prove the case though
ezstreet5 wrote: » You'd need to check the deed to see if this represents a true case of adverse possession or not. The old gate house was originally CIE property and is built entirely within the permanent way, which remains unregistered land. If CIE sold it it off, they may have retained a right of way or perhaps later given the owner permission to use the land as a garden, both of which would negate a claim. If it is a true case, when a Part 8 (now Part XI) application is filed, the owner will face the dilemma of whether to apply for adverse possession at that point, knowing that the land will be immediately CPO'd back. At that point, the solicitors usually reach a deal for a small payment to be made to avoid adverse possession and/or a CPO.
mayo.mick wrote: »
River Suir wrote: » Where is that?
mayo.mick wrote: » Part of the "Burma Road"
River Suir wrote: » Yes I realise that, but where on the Burma Road?
Muckyboots wrote: » Look. We had a few smart ass Cllrs who pulled the "put your file in a filling cabenet" stunt while laughing up their sleeves. What they didn't expect was a Minister to take the file out and have it examined. Their smart ass plan has backfired and it was wonderful to hear one of the authors having his trousers pulled down around his ankles on local radio yesterday. Most Greenway campaigners that I know are willing to talk to anyone about anything that betters their local community, but there's a handful of sleeveens in Mayo and Galway Co Co who are intent on driving community activism and community spirit into the ground. With them in mind I think your 64 months is probably optimistic.
ezstreet5 wrote: » May I provide some genuine advice to Quiet Man Greenway advocates? What you need to do is engage in the Galway-Dublin Greenway public consultation, to bring the routing north through Athenry. Only then can your greenway of choice connect to the national greenway network, which vastly increases the probability of funding. Otherwise, it remains a disconnected segment. Here's the link to the meeting dates and places of that consultation: http://www.dublingalwaygreenway.com/2020/07/public-consultation-starting-on-athlone.html
Greaney wrote: » I've been pointing to this Eurovelo project earlier in this thread. This is where the guaranteed funding is. If your town doesn't link to the Eurovelo...... find a way if you want your greenway to be more than a 'local amenity' and a real Tourism draw.
ezstreet5 wrote: » I reject the mindset of this post in total. It hearkens back to the September 2018 Galway County Council charade, where one group of councilors wanted a Feasibility Study of only the "Quiet Man Greenway" and another contingent wanted a wider study of all possible greenways in the county. Much ado was made about the motion, the amended motion, and the vote. But nobody copped-on that the funding available at the time was reserved for projects with full planning permission. So there was no possibility of success for any motion or vote stemming from that meeting. (And a local TD had full knowledge of this constraint, yet ignored it in favour of the mudslinging). The one positive was that DTTAS realized that they needed to make funds available for greenway planning, which they did, with the current €4.5 million tranche. The current award of €75,000 for a Feasibility Study of the Quiet Man Greenway may indeed be a "filibuster" as it is an unnecessary step in the planning and entitlement process, and will take 17 months to complete (if the pattern of the Sligo Greenway Feasibility Study is repeated). So the can is kicked down the road 17+ months before any decision is officially made to even begin the process to apply for development consent for a greenway (which is long enough). May I provide some genuine advice to Quiet Man Greenway advocates? What you need to do is engage in the Galway-Dublin Greenway public consultation, to bring the routing north through Athenry. Only then can your greenway of choice connect to the national greenway network, which vastly increases the probability of funding. Otherwise, it remains a disconnected segment. Here's the link to the meeting dates and places of that consultation: http://www.dublingalwaygreenway.com/2020/07/public-consultation-starting-on-athlone.html
eastwest wrote: » Athenry can easily and cheaply link to the dublin galway greenway if they do what many people have already suggested -- by building a greenway along the edge of the rail alignment on the ennis athenry line.
ShaneC1600 wrote: » QMG supporters are really drawn to the railway, least amount of thought required I guess.
Muckyboots wrote: » The Quiet Man Greenway is a greenway between Athenry and Milltown utilizing the disused railway alignment.
ShaneC1600 wrote: » It isn't though, its an idea of a greenway, which is being sold to the gullible as an equal to existing top greenways which the QMG will not be (in terms of location, scenery and/or attractions unless much work is done) I was referring to one particular statement where it was said linking the QMG to the Dublin/Galway greenway is as simple as placing another greenway along the Athenry/Ennis "railway line". To some on that group the only place to position a greenway is along the railway, operational and closed.
River Suir wrote: » And that is because it appears that the agenda of certain individuals in the QMG is to hobble the railway wherever possible. Putting a parallel greenway on the Galway main line would stop that line from being doubled.
westtip wrote: » you have made some very good points there, but the filibuster is not the 17 months to deliver the feasibility study it is possible attempts there will be to stop the feasibility study from even happening, by WOT supporting cllrs in Galway, there are rumours emerging that on light of the news about the funding for the feasibility study attempts are being made to put a spanner in the works to stop it from even happening even though the same council applied for funding for the very same study. They will make every attempt they can to block it. We could see a repeat of what happened in 2017 in the near future if not already. I am sure they will fail ultimately. The study will be done and the rail report will come out, and a lot hinges on that now.
westtip wrote: » It also hinges on a ministerial decision, if Eamon Ryan makes a decision which none of his predecessors have had the balls to do so, and says the QMG is happening then this will override rogue county councillors trying to block it with shenanigans like those you refer to in 2017.
westtip wrote: » The only way the QMG will not happen now is if there is a change in government and that is why these cllrs will try and delay things for for another 4 years. Despite the differences of opinion on certain issues I don't think this is going to happen.
westtip wrote: » 17 months for a feasibility study is not a filibuster, it is part of the process that has to happen, the filibuster will be if certain Galway cllrs trying to stop the feasibility study from even happening or changing its terms of reference.
westtip wrote: » Step up to the plate Minister Ryan please. oh and I agree with you about engaging with the consultation the Dublin Galway greenway and personally will promote the alongside the main line railway route as the simplest solution
The national development plan will be reviewed and obviously there are key agenda items in terms of rail infrastructure generally across the country. In the July stimulus funding is already going into remedial works in our existing railways. Developing fast-track rail between the major cities is one agenda item. There are major projects in and around the Dublin area, including the metro and so on. There is a review of the western rail corridor and proposals for that are being looked at as well. The trend will be strongly towards public transport into the future. Deputy Kelly is right, projects will take a lot of planning and design but the development of public transport initiatives in the NDP review will be important to achieving our climate goals.
[Deleted User] wrote: » Not at all and I am already planning to make a submission stating such a facility is added when they go to double track that line. To do so beforehand would be just silly. Wait until they are designing it and make the proposal then
ShaneC1600 wrote: » Why would you want to? Why would you want a greenway beside the railway?
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