Is it just me or have SF vanished?

[Deleted User] wrote: »

I was under impression,they were riddled with informers

How can an organistaion,you proclaim to be effectively run by the police,carry out a robbery,taking months of planning and then its culprits disappear into thin air and no money recovered??

Bones of 2 decades later,no leads exist on culprits or the money....except yous screaming over and over it was the ira(which elsewhere you claim was riddled by informers)........surely you must concede,such a viewpoint.cannont be rationally held?

IRA was indeed compromised with informers but it seems Bobby Storey assembled a hard core leak proof gang. As I said before maybe the key was not telling Gerry until afterwards.

Edgware

Truthvader wrote: »

IRA was indeed compromised with informers but it seems Bobby Storey assembled a hard core leak proof gang. As I said before maybe the key was not telling Gerry until afterwards.

"hard core" that would be Storey's style allright

[Deleted User]

Truthvader wrote: »

IRA was indeed compromised with informers but it seems Bobby Storey assembled a hard core leak proof gang. As I said before maybe the key was not telling Gerry until afterwards.

So in effect they werent as compromised as yous think??

If they were so compromised....how is it,none of culprits caught or any cash recovered....what exactly is the purpose of these "informants" if they dont provide info....

I dont mean to sound mocking,but your position deosnt stand upto any rudimentry scrutiny

[Deleted User] wrote: »

So in effect they werent as compromised as yous think??

If they were so compromised....how is it,none of culprits caught or any cash recovered....what exactly is the purpose of these "informants" if they dont provide info....

I dont mean to sound mocking,but your position deosnt stand upto any rudimentry scrutiny

So it was the Mexicans FFS

shafty100

im sure you well able to do your own research

Truthvader wrote: »

So it was the Mexicans FFS

may as well have been considering you can blame them as much as the IRA

Deleted User wrote: »

Mate....your claiming its the ira,while.also.proclaiming the ira was riddled with informers

These two viewpoints are not rationally compatible,in light of fact that their have been no arrests and money seems to have disappeared into thin air??

Like,the fact you appear to have taken issue with people pointing out,this rather obvious flaw in your logic/viewpoint is something,you will have to learn to come to terms with

its the brits fighting the brits theory again. totally contradictory

SafeSurfer wrote: »

So if one is to do some research on the reality of the past while not believing everything one reads could you suggest some sources?

try anything reliable based on facts. once you find a court that has found the ira or SF guilty you can come back and rub our noses in it. Otherwise admit you are waffling

Edgware wrote: »

Yes you can

of course you can. doesnt mean you are correct but anyone can think what they wish to think

timthumbni

Wait. Are some posters now trying to say it wasn’t the Ira behind the Northern Bank robbery? Truely bizarre. Next they will be telling us Liam wasn’t a paedo and a rapist, and there was no issue with him working with youths in Dundalk afterwards. After all he was probably a “good republican ” in their eyes. When you set the bar that low I suppose everyone can qualify.

timthumbni wrote: »

Wait. Are some posters now trying to say it wasn’t the Ira behind the Northern Bank robbery? Truely bizarre. Next they will be telling us Liam wasn’t a paedo and a rapist, and there was no issue with him working with youths in Dundalk afterwards. After all he was probably a “good republican ” in their eyes. When you set the bar that low I suppose everyone can qualify.

Yep its the new Sinn Fein Trump alternative facts strategy. But in fairness they simply cant tell the difference beteeen truth and lies any more. Gerry was never in the IRA , they brought peace to Northern Ireland, Paul Quinn tripped, Slab is a "very nice man" etc etc . Damaged beyond repair

timthumbni wrote: »

Wait. Are some posters now trying to say it wasn’t the Ira behind the Northern Bank robbery? Truely bizarre. Next they will be telling us Liam wasn’t a paedo and a rapist, and there was no issue with him working with youths in Dundalk afterwards. After all he was probably a “good republican ” in their eyes. When you set the bar that low I suppose everyone can qualify.

Truthvader wrote: »

Yep its the new Sinn Fein Trump alternative facts strategy. But in fairness they simply cant tell the difference beteeen truth and lies any more. Gerry was never in the IRA , they brought peace to Northern Ireland, Paul Quinn tripped, Slab is a "very nice man" etc etc . Damaged beyond repair

the only facts are the 50 grand found in the ruc leisure centre.

feel free to show me the court rulings where anyone in SF or in the IRA was convicted of anything to do with the robbery.

until you have that then Im afraid you cant pin the blame on anyone - certainly not until the almost 20 year old investigation is finished.

Then again, sure if enough people say it then it must be true - thats the kind of logic you two geniuses seem to be following

by the way without adams there wouldnt have been a peace process. thats another one of those fact things - you know, facts ... truthvader seem to have terrible difficulty with those.

maccored wrote: »

the only facts are the 50 grand found in the ruc leisure centre.

feel free to show me the court rulings where anyone in SF or in the IRA was convicted of anything to do with the robbery.

until you have that then Im afraid you cant pin the blame on anyone - certainly not until the almost 20 year old investigation is finished.

Then again, sure if enough people say it then it must be true - thats the kind of logic you two geniuses seem to be following

Sincerely hope you are on the payroll rather than someone a medical issue

Truthvader wrote: »

Sincerely hope you are on the payroll rather than someone a medical issue

awww .. thanks for caring.

So - you can prove your waffle now or are you just doing the usual diverting by trying to insinuate i have a medical issue? You accused me of lying about the RUC and the 50 grand yesterday - now youre telling me I have a medical issue,

Not great at this debating lark are you?

Truthvader wrote: »

Sincerely hope you are on the payroll rather than someone a medical issue

btw - you should see someone about your conspiracy theory that SF have a 'payroll' for everyone who supports them online. Its a bit crazy.

maccored wrote: »

btw - you should see someone about your conspiracy theory that SF have a 'payroll' for everyone who supports them online. Its a bit crazy.

Well they have the cash for it. Plus it would explain the loony positions relentlessly promoted. The police robbed the bank????. Get real.

Truthvader wrote: »

Well they have the cash for it. Plus it would explain the loony positions relentlessly promoted. The police robbed the bank????. Get real.

This id the second time to repeat and third time over all to explain to you, so focus really hard or do whatever you need to do to get that little brain thing of yours to start working.

50 thousand euro has been found in an RUC leisure centre

theres no-one in sf or the ira who are being held under investigation of or indeed accused or convicted of anything to do with the fobbery (bar the ira guy who was accused of the robbery and when they couldnt pin that on him, they jailed him for being in the IRA instead)

Both of those are facts - therefore the evidence to date points to the RUC. There has never been anything pointing to the IRA.

You can misrepresent that in any fashion you like in order to avoid admitting those two facts are correct - but it’d be very obvious thats what you're hoping to do.

You keep blaming the ira, you get asked if you can back that up and in reply you say the security forces say so. If that were true then either the investigation is a pretty **** one considering theres no movement in 16 years, or else its just crap.

In society, we say innocent til proven guilty. Its the founding stone of the justice system. You obviously arent a fan of that idea

[Deleted User]

maccored wrote: »

by the way without adams there wouldnt have been a peace process. thats another one of those fact things - you know, facts ... truthvader seem to have terrible difficulty with those.

You have to laugh really.......

That lad compares everyone who dont agree with him to trump supporters.......meanwhile spends all day,everyday posting conspiracy theories,then cries foul when anyone dare ask for proof or the obvious flaws are pointed out

Truthvader wrote: »

The police robbed the bank????. Get real.

40 years it took to stop people saying 'The soldiers deliberately shot innocent people on the street? Get real'.

For a good portion of those 40 years the British were more than happy to point the finger at somebody else...again without the slightest bit of actual evidence.

Is it beyond the bounds of possibility that we are being lied to again?

First thing I do when somebody asks me to believe something they have NO evidence of, is ask myself...who does it help to have this story believed?
When the answer includes this list I get very cautious believing a word of it:
The British Government,
Unionists who are anti- GFA
Elements of the police who are anti-GFA
elements of the south's political power share who need to keep SF at bay.

[Deleted User] wrote: »

You have to laugh really.......

That lad compares everyone who dont agree with him to trump supporters.......meanwhile spends all day,everyday posting conspiracy theories,then cries foul when anyone dare ask for proof or the obvious flaws are pointed out

This is pathetic stuff even if you're on the Sinn Fein IRA payroll. The country is awash with criminals who got away with their evil deeds. Still did them

Here's the Wikipedia link with a good synopsis for those too young to remember. Make up your pwn minds. I'm done with this pretendy argument

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northern_Bank_robbery

No actual convictions though as the Sinn Fein IRA supporters so joyfully proclaim. Doesn't mean they didn't do it. As innocent as Jimmy Saville or the heroes who murdered Paul Quinn who Francie tells us "everyone knows"

Truthvader wrote: »

This is pathetic stuff even if you're on the Sinn Fein IRA payroll. The country is awash with criminals who got away with their evil deeds. Still did them

Here's the Wikipedia link with a good synopsis for those too young to remember. Make up your pwn minds. I'm done with this pretendy argument

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northern_Bank_robbery

No actual convictions though as the Sinn Fein IRA supporters so joyfully proclaim. Doesn't mean they didn't do it. As innocent as Jimmy Saville or the heroes who murdered Paul Quinn who Francie tells us "everyone knows"

The IMC have said the 'IRA were not involved in the murder of Paul Quinn' Truth.

The IMC have not withdrawn what they said the killing was about either ...'that it was not unconnected to local criminal activity'.

You 'choose' not to believe them on that one I suppose?

And yes, everybody local who has an interest knows who did it, the PSNI know and the IMC know - they MUST DO because they ruled out IRA involvement in it.

FrancieBrady wrote: »

The IMC have said the 'IRA were not involved in the murder of Paul Quinn' Truth.

The IMC have not withdrawn what they said the killing was about either ...'that it was not unconnected to local criminal activity'.

You 'choose' not to believe them on that one I suppose?

And yes, everybody local who has an interest knows who did it, the PSNI know and the IMC know - they MUST DO because they ruled out IRA involvement in it.

Again here's a wikipedia link so people can make up their own mind. Think the IMC found it was "not authorised" - because Sinn Fein IRA are of course entitled to "authorise" killings as it suits them - but can always slither away and claim it was "not Authorised" as it suits

Anyway heres the link and everyone can make up their own minds

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_Paul_Quinn

[Deleted User]

Truthvader wrote: »

This is pathetic stuff even if you're on the Sinn Fein IRA payroll. The country is awash with criminals who got away with their evil deeds. Still did them

Here's the Wikipedia link with a good synopsis for those too young to remember. Make up your pwn minds. I'm done with this pretendy argument

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northern_Bank_robbery

Im aware of the details .....just dont think its possible to simutaneously believe they are riddled with informers....while also belive they robbed a bank,with months of planning and disappeared into thin air without sight nor trace of culprits or money,2 decades later

You posting 2 seperate conspiracies,which simply arent compatible and now throwing a strop,when this is pointed out

Im not on any payroll......another demented conspiracy of yours :rolleyes:

No actual convictions though as the Sinn Fein IRA supporters so joyfully proclaim. Doesn't mean they didn't do it. As innocent as Jimmy Saville or the heroes who murdered Paul Quinn who Francie tells us "everyone knows"

Quite what jimmi saville and paul quinn have to do with nortern bank robbery is beyond me....plz say this isnt another wild conspiracy theory

I do love uncovering a 'I'll believe what I want to believe', selective democrat.

SafeSurfer

FrancieBrady wrote: »

I do love uncovering a 'I'll believe what I want to believe', selective democrat.

A “selective democrat” isn’t one who believes what they want. A “selective democrat” is one who uses democracy when it suits and non democratic, even violent means to achieve their objectives when it suits.

SafeSurfer wrote: »

A “selective democrat” isn’t one who believes what they want. A “selective democrat” is one who uses democracy when it suits and non democratic, even violent means to achieve their objectives when it suits.

That's what I meant. The British and their apologists here = selective democrats -use democracy when it suits and non democratic, even violent means to achieve their objectives when it suits.

'Cover-up' and 'Collusion' being a prime example of undemocratic violent means while preaching high moral ground democracy to the faithful.

SafeSurfer

FrancieBrady wrote: »

That's what I meant. The British and their apologists here = selective democrats -use democracy when it suits and non democratic, even violent means to achieve their objectives when it suits.

'Cover-up' and 'Collusion' being a prime example of undemocratic violent means while preaching high moral ground democracy to the faithful.

You will understand if I am disinclined to take democracy and high moral ground lectures from an apologist for a party which regarded the IRA army council as the legitimate government of the Irish Republic, claiming this legitimacy stemmed from a piece of paper signed by 7 former members of the 2nd Dail.