Is it just me or have SF vanished?

Truthvader wrote: »

More Trumpy nonsense. "Proof" is an entirely different thing to reality. Uncle Gerry and his pals robbed, murdered and maimed for 30 years. There is "proof" for some of it but not for all of it. There is no "proof" they robbed the Northern Bank or planted a few bob on the RUC ( wha' a laugh eh!) but any sentient person knows that no-one else but Gerry and Co could have done it. Not enough "proof" to prosecute (in contrast to SinnFein/ IRA who were happy enough to murder or maime anyone it suited them to based on any vague rumour) but enough for everyone to know the truth. So keep playing your stupid proofy game.

its called democracy (the democratic right to the truth) - didnt think you'd have heard of it.

going by your definitions there, I could accuse you of being an alien and that should be enough to make you an alien.

Money from the robbery was found in an RUC leisure centre.

No money from the robbery was found in any SF office or on any SF person. No-one in the IRA has been convicted of the robbery after 16 odd years

The RUC were on the take. That statement has more credibility than blaming the IRA - unless of course you want to leave the justice system and run some form of Daily Star / The Sun justice system. Ive a funny feeling thats exactly the kind of justice you believe in.

I want an apology for insinuating I was lying when in reality you were spoofing about rubbish.

Gerry Adams is your uncle?

maccored wrote: »

its called democracy (the democratic right to the truth) - didnt think you'd have heard of it.

going by your definitions there, I could accuse you of being an alien and that should be enough to make you an alien.

Money from the robbery was found in an RUC leisure centre.

No money from the robbery was found in any SF office or on any SF person. No-one in the IRA has been convicted of the robbery after 16 odd years

The RUC were on the take. That statement has more credibility than blaming the IRA - unless of course you want to leave the justice system and run some form of Daily Star / The Sun justice system. Ive a funny feeling thats exactly the kind of justice you believe in.

I want an apology for insinuating I was lying when in reality you were spoofing about rubbish.

Gerry Adams is your uncle?

Yeah the RUC robbed the Northern Bank and you have proof. MENTAL

Truthvader wrote: »

Yeah the RUC robbed the Northern Bank and you have proof. MENTAL

no - what I said was:

Money from the robbery was found in an RUC leisure centre.

No money from the robbery was found in any SF office or on any SF person. No-one in the IRA has been convicted of the robbery after 16 odd years

The RUC were on the take. That statement has more credibility than blaming the IRA - unless of course you want to leave the justice system and run some form of Daily Star / The Sun justice system. Ive a funny feeling thats exactly the kind of justice you believe in.

its right there in my last post. you cant miss it.

Heel of the hunt is you waffle on about the IRA robbing the northern bank yet you cant back that up with anything. And then you insinuate Im lying? Jaysus - that says it all really.

maccored wrote: »

no - what I said was:

its right there in my last post. you cant miss it.

Heel of the hunt is you waffle on about the IRA robbing the northern bank yet you cant back that up with anything. And then you insinuate Im lying? Jaysus - that says it all really.

The PSNI, the Irish government and the British government unanimously announced that the IRA were responsible. I believe them. I dont believe you. I dont believe Sinn Fein IRA with their long long history of lying murder and theft.

Truthvader wrote: »

The PSNI, the Irish government and the British government unanimously announced that the IRA were responsible. I believe them. I dont believe you

Are you not the guy,who claims the ira were riddled with informers and a beaten docket.....and also simutaneously believe they could walk into a bank and disapper into thin air with no leads on who done it,or what come of the money....over a decade later??

I dont believe Sinn Fein IRA with their long long history of lying murder and theft.

And yet you will choose to belive blindly the british government and their security forces :pac:
Arent they still claiming the aiden mcenespie murder as a tragic accident??

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Are you not the guy,who claims the ira were riddled with informers and a beaten docket.....and also simutaneously believe they could walk into a bank and disapper into thin air with no leads on who done it,or what come of the money....over a decade later??

And yet you will choose to belive blindly the british government and their security forces :pac:
Arent they still claiming the aiden mcenespie murder as a tragic accident??

And the Irish government . And the PSNI

And I dont believe a single word from Gerry Adams, Slab, Mary Lou or any of the murdering lying thieving scum they promote. Crazy I know

Truthvader wrote: »

And the Irish government . And the PSNI

The same irish government,which at the time,was headed by bertie ahearn,a man who famously held an election to avoid having to answer qs to a tribunal.....

The psni are just a continuence of the ruc to my eyes (didnt drew harris order all enquories into glennane gang and their 151 murders shut down,??)

And I dont believe a single word from Gerry Adams, Slab, Mary Lou or any of the murdering lying thieving scum they promote. Crazy I know

And yet you will belive the british,who to my eyes have done far far worse than anyone,you have mentioned

Have you ever pondered,that your dislike of irish republicans (which your free to do),can make it difficult for yous to arrive at an objective point of view,and you now find yourself siding with security forces,who at the time still offially labeled bloody sunday victims gunmen and bombers??

Truthvader wrote: »

The PSNI, the Irish government and the British government unanimously announced that the IRA were responsible. I believe them. I dont believe you. I dont believe Sinn Fein IRA with their long long history of lying murder and theft.

Those with a vested interest. Its no wonder we have the governments we do when people who believe what they’re told to believe have a vote

You dont need to believe me about the ruc’s money btw - do at least some basic research and you’ll find the info

shafty100

as far as i am aware there was nobody convicted for the actual robbery of the bank

maccored wrote: »

Those with a vested interest. Its no wonder we have the governments we do when people who believe what they’re told to believe have a vote

You dont need to believe me about the ruc’s money btw - do at least some basic research and you’ll find the info

Yeah far better to believe a gang of proven thieves, liars and murderers. MENTAL.

Truthvader wrote: »

Yeah far better to believe a gang of proven thieves, liars and murderers. MENTAL.

You don't have to believe either side.

Just recognise who it suits for you to believe something without the presentation of any evidence.

Think of all the things 'alleged without any evidence' that you believe. Take your time, believe that you are an actual 'truthvader'.

I don't know who robbed the Northern Bank...I will stay in that state until such time somebody presents more than hearsay evidence, the same with other allegations...I apply the same criteria to the British or Loyalism or FG or FF.

e.g. I always used the wording 'alleged collusion in Dublin Monaghan bombings'.
That is because I a democratvader.

Truthvader wrote: »

Yeah far better to believe a gang of proven thieves, liars and murderers. MENTAL.

You must be. Good description of the british government and the RUC though

maccored wrote: »

You must be. Good description of the british government and the RUC though

And the International Monitoring Commission , the PSNI and the Irish Government. But sure everyone is wrong if the Sinn Fein IRA thug liars say so. MENTAL

Truthvader wrote: »

Sinn Fein IRA thug liars

Did i hit a nerve? Hilarious stuff

shafty100

you are typical of the brainwashed sheep in this corrupt state that swallow everything that the anti republican media and state tell you , go away and do some research on the reality of the past and stop believing everything that you read .

McMurphy

Truthvader wrote: »

But sure everyone is wrong if the Sinn Fein IRA thug liars say so.

Big Ian be proud of you Vader.

Edgware

maccored wrote: »

the ruc? back to the brits fighting the brits theory again? bit of a stupid theory you think, considering the british had decided it was a stalemate?

Ive asked a question - why not blame the ruc as 50 grand was found in their leisure centre, and why blame the IRA when there isnt an iota of evidence after all the years that have passed since. I havent had an answer yet. Mainly because none of you have one.

How many I.R.A members were in the pay of the British over the years?
How many of the top S.F. were on the British payroll? We all know about Donaldson, Scapa and various chaufeurs because they were outed

Bishop of hope

shafty100 wrote: »

you are typical of the brainwashed sheep in this corrupt state that swallow everything that the anti republican media and state tell you , go away and do some research on the reality of the past and stop believing everything that you read .

And you are typical of the belief that the media are the ones doing the brainwashing instead of looking closer to home.
Being anti republican has a whole different meaning than you think it has.

Edgware

Bishop of hope wrote: »

And you are typical of the belief that the media are the ones doing the brainwashing instead of looking closer to home.
Being anti republican has a whole different meaning than you think it has.

Anti so called "republican"
Fat ***** sitting on a barstool roaring out the Boys of the old Brigade and claiming to be republicans

Edgware wrote: »

How many I.R.A members were in the pay of the British over the years?
How many of the top S.F. were on the British payroll? We all know about Donaldson, Scapa and various chaufeurs because they were outed

If all these people,were informers,why has noone ever been arrested for robbing the bank nor any trace of the money found

You cannot rational hold the belief,the ira riddled with informers,while simutaneously believe,they could rob a bank of near on 30millon and disappear into thin air,

Edgware wrote: »

How many I.R.A members were in the pay of the British over the years?
How many of the top S.F. were on the British payroll? We all know about Donaldson, Scapa and various chaufeurs because they were outed

Would that question not be better directed at those who keep telling us they are a sovereign, democratic, righteous and moral government who had these people on their payroll? How many of the killings, robberies did they ignore or take part in to arrive at an agreement they could have arrived at before the whole conflict/war broke out by being an ACTUAL sovereign, democratic, righteous and moral government?

As an Irish person (I assume) where the f*** is your anger and disgust if they had people on their payroll?

Yeah its a big conspiracy by the meeja, the Irish government the PSNI, the British Government the Independent monitoring commission and eegits like me who are too lazy to "properly research" the issue to blame Sinn Fein IRA (an organisation with a 30 year track record of murder, extortion, thievery and criminality). But sure if Gerry said they didn't do it thats the end of it. Oh wait .....Gerry wasn't in the IRA so he couldn't know....And sure ......isn't that the same Gerry who lied about Garda McCabes murderers (later only agreeing to the "peace process" if the murderers were set free)

If you are going to lie try to pick a lie that has some hope of being believed by someone somewhere at some time. This just makes you look like idiots.

Edgware wrote: »

How many I.R.A members were in the pay of the British over the years?
How many of the top S.F. were on the British payroll? We all know about Donaldson, Scapa and various chaufeurs because they were outed

Did any of that answer my question? No - it didnt.

Truthvader wrote: »

Yeah its a big conspiracy by the meeja, the Irish government the PSNI, the British Government the Independent monitoring commission and eegits like me who are too lazy to "properly research" the issue to blame Sinn Fein IRA (an organisation with a 30 year track record of murder, extortion, thievery and criminality). But sure if Gerry said they didn't do it thats the end of it. Oh wait .....Gerry wasn't in the IRA so he couldn't know....And sure ......isn't that the same Gerry who lied about Garda McCabes murderers (later only agreeing to the "peace process" if the murderers were set free)

If you are going to lie try to pick a lie that has some hope of being believed by someone somewhere at some time. This just makes you look like idiots.

There was a time on here where you had to back up your claims. I dont care who says what - the proof is in the arrest sheet. Thats currently blank.

SafeSurfer

shafty100 wrote: »

you are typical of the brainwashed sheep in this corrupt state that swallow everything that the anti republican media and state tell you , go away and do some research on the reality of the past and stop believing everything that you read .

So if one is to do some research on the reality of the past while not believing everything one reads could you suggest some sources?

Truthvader wrote: »

Yeah its a big conspiracy by the meeja, the Irish government the PSNI, the British Government the Independent monitoring commission and eegits like me who are too lazy to "properly research" the issue to blame Sinn Fein IRA (an organisation with a 30 year track record of murder, extortion, thievery and criminality). But sure if Gerry said they didn't do it thats the end of it. Oh wait .....Gerry wasn't in the IRA so he couldn't know....And sure ......isn't that the same Gerry who lied about Garda McCabes murderers (later only agreeing to the "peace process" if the murderers were set free)

If you are going to lie try to pick a lie that has some hope of being believed by someone somewhere at some time. This just makes you look like idiots.

How many times during the conflict/war did the British Government/RUC make claims that have since turned out to be false...right from Bloody Sunday and Ballymurphy...go on, start counting.

How many times have claims made by SF turned out to have been true, right from Bloody Sunday and Ballymurphy...go on, start counting them.

I ask this as one who didn't believe that a sovereign democratic (allegedly) government could be involved in collusion and as a covert player in a conflict war.
But, with my eyes open, I have had to confront the reality that was the conflict/war here and who was telling the truth. Every single claim made about collusion, impartiality and criminality by British forces and institutions of it's state, have turned out to have been true.
I would believe nothing they say about anything that happened on the island of Ireland unless I see the hard evidence.
I also don't believe anything the IRA say about it either btw.

Truthvader wrote: »

Yeah its a big conspiracy by the meeja, the Irish government the PSNI, the British Government the Independent monitoring commission and eegits like me who are too lazy to "properly research" the issue to blame Sinn Fein IRA (an organisation with a 30 year track record of murder, extortion, thievery and criminality). But sure if Gerry said they didn't do it thats the end of it. Oh wait .....Gerry wasn't in the IRA so he couldn't know....And sure ......isn't that the same Gerry who lied about Garda McCabes murderers (later only agreeing to the "peace process" if the murderers were set free)

If you are going to lie try to pick a lie that has some hope of being believed by someone somewhere at some time. This just makes you look like idiots.

Mate....your claiming its the ira,while.also.proclaiming the ira was riddled with informers

These two viewpoints are not rationally compatible,in light of fact that their have been no arrests and money seems to have disappeared into thin air??

Like,the fact you appear to have taken issue with people pointing out,this rather obvious flaw in your logic/viewpoint is something,you will have to learn to come to terms with

FrancieBrady wrote: »

How many times during the conflict/war did the British Government/RUC make claims that have since turned out to be false...right from Bloody Sunday and Ballymurphy...go on, start counting.

How many times have claims made by SF turned out to have been true, right from Bloody Sunday and Ballymurphy...go on, start counting them.

I ask this as one who didn't believe that a sovereign democratic (allegedly) government could be involved in collusion and as a covert player in a conflict war.
But, with my eyes open, I have had to confront the reality that was the conflict/war here and who was telling the truth. Every single claim made about collusion, impartiality and criminality by British forces and institutions of it's state, have turned out to have been true.
I would believe nothing they say about anything that happened on the island of Ireland unless I see the hard evidence.
I also don't believe anything the IRA say about it either btw.

And the Irish Government? the PSNI? The independent Monitoring Commission? All the meeja? Keep digging Francie . Everyone knows that Sinn Fein/ IRA robbed the Bank - indeed on other outlets your pals are sniggering up their sleeves about it. You just look like a twit pretending it was someone else. Maybe try running the arrogant "Leo "trope again and see can you generate any traction

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Mate....your claiming its the ira,while.also.proclaiming the ira was riddled with informers

These two viewpoints are not rationally compatible,in light of fact that their have been no arrests and money seems to have disappeared into thin air??

Like,the fact you appear to have taken issue with people pointing out,this rather obvious flaw in your logic/viewpoint is something,you will have to learn to come to terms with

My read of it is that Bobby Storey and a select gang of his criminals carried out the robbery and only told Gerry afterwards. Might have been different outcome if they told Gerry in advance.