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Stheno

MaybeMaybe wrote: »

there's only one shop? if I remember correctly there wasn't even a petrol station for a while

Thats what I recall

Think there was one pub
Definitely no petrol station I used have to stop in Cavan town for petrol

[Deleted User]

Stheno wrote: »

nah I used work there a bit for a couple of years

The shop used annoy me

there's only one shop? if I remember correctly there wasn't even a petrol station for a while

Stheno

MaybeMaybe wrote: »

the thing about Killeshandra is that it isn't really on the road to anywhere so if you end up there, you're probably lost. any particular place that was unwelcoming?

nah I used work there a bit for a couple of years

The shop used annoy me

[Deleted User]

Stheno wrote: »

The locals treat outsiders like alien life forms?

And the roads are crap

the thing about Killeshandra is that it isn't really on the road to anywhere so if you end up there, you're probably lost. any particular place that was unwelcoming?

Stheno

MaybeMaybe wrote: »

what's wrong with Killeshandra? it has green and lovely lanes

The locals treat outsiders like alien life forms?

And the roads are crap

[Deleted User]

Stheno wrote: »

killeshandra beats them both

what's wrong with Killeshandra? it has green and lovely lanes

Former Former

molloyjh wrote: »

But its not incremental is it? The virus will only survive so long without being able to replicate. So its more like the lotto than smoking, ie your chances essentially reset if you don't get it.

Your individual chances reset. If everyone does it, then the risk to the population increases. It's like one person doing the Lotto or a million people doing the Lotto. Your chance of winning is the same but the chance of someone winning increases massively.

Pretty tortured analogy but the point is that we need to get to the stage where wearing a mask is the default. We're a million miles away from that now.

Stheno

thomond2006 wrote: »

I raise you Tipperary town.

killeshandra beats them both

thomond2006

Buer wrote: »

Longford town is the armpit of Ireland.

I raise you Tipperary town.

Stheno

Buer wrote: »

In reality, Leitrim is a vastly more pleasant place than Longford.

Longford town is the armpit of Ireland.

Jesus lads. Buer is from Leitrim :eek:

Buer

thomond2006 wrote: »

Same thing.

In reality, Leitrim is a vastly more pleasant place than Longford.

Longford town is the armpit of Ireland.

thomond2006

Stheno wrote: »

Are you confusing Longford with Leitrim?

Same thing.

Stheno

Yeah_Right wrote: »

It was Longford. They were probably staring at you because it had been ages since they'd seen someone they weren't related to.

Are you confusing Longford with Leitrim?

Yeah_Right

Buer wrote: »

Really depends on where you are. My local supermarket is at about 90% when I'm there. Town today was at around 50-60%. I was on my way west last week and stopped for a bit in Longford. I was getting odd looks from people and was the only one in a mask.

It was Longford. They were probably staring at you because it had been ages since they'd seen someone they weren't related to.

Clegg

Chefs kiss

https://twitter.com/thejournal_ie/status/1289235583907241986?s=19

molloyjh

Former Former wrote: »

Yeah, I agree, and if you're strolling in the park, grand. If you're on the footpath of a city street or queuing outside a shop, maybe not.

These things are all incremental. A tiny risk that you take over and over again is no longer a tiny risk. Smoking one cigarette isn't harmful, but smoking one cigarette every 30 minutes for 20 years isn't a great idea.

But its not incremental is it? The virus will only survive so long without being able to replicate. So its more like the lotto than smoking, ie your chances essentially reset if you don't get it.

[Deleted User]

I forgot my mask going out to buy petrol earlier and felt very self-conscious I have to say. Most people are wearing them now I think. Also saw a few people get kicked off the Luas the other day for not wearing one.

Buer

Zzippy wrote: »

I've only been in the supermarket in the last few weeks, we have been almost cocooning the whole time as baby was due this week. But the compliance rate with masks has gone from ~20% to 90%+ in my experience in the last 3 weeks. If it's bad elsewhere I'll be continuing to avoid those places and stick to just doing the food shop twice a week.

Really depends on where you are. My local supermarket is at about 90% when I'm there. Town today was at around 50-60%. I was on my way west last week and stopped for a bit in Longford. I was getting odd looks from people and was the only one in a mask.

Buer

Dave_The_Sheep wrote: »

The real "what the ****" moment I had was when it was pointed out to them that it's not just your body, as you're more at risk of spreading it to others without a mask, the response was along the lines of "Well, we already had a referendum about abortion and we decided as a nation that 'my body my choice' was what we cared about. We don't care about the unborn so why should I care about others now?" - in absolute seriousness.

That's the logic of someone who has been brainwashed or is just a horrible person. And I'm realising there are more of them than I realised and they are among us.

Two people I work with:

Person A is an experienced, highly respected operator. Very measured and diligent. I was going for a sandwich and had to go back to get my mask. She informed me that she had contacted Retail Ireland to confirm they wouldn't be enforcing face masks so she wasn't wearing one.

Person B is in their twenties, educated to a masters level. She asked if I thought whether the death count was as high as reported. I asked what she meant and she advised that she had seen footage online from Italy of soldiers loading rocks into the coffins and they weren't moving bodies at all.

These people exist and I'm beginning to think there are many more than I ever thought.

Zzippy

I've only been in the supermarket in the last few weeks, we have been almost cocooning the whole time as baby was due this week. But the compliance rate with masks has gone from ~20% to 90%+ in my experience in the last 3 weeks. If it's bad elsewhere I'll be continuing to avoid those places and stick to just doing the food shop twice a week.

errlloyd

sydthebeat wrote: »

so while gangs of young lads and lassies hanging around without a care in the world LOOKS completely wrong.. it may actually be beneficial if they are developing immunity without even knowing it. As long as they have the cop on around vulnerable people, and in that, vulnerable people have to be extra cautious, things may not be as bad as they appear.

Yeah I think I feel sort of like this. If we're not going for Zero, we may as well live a lifestyle that "flattens" the curve but isn't full lockdown. At the moment we are in between.

sydthebeat

there has to be a realisation that the virus WILL spread... and that the goal is to protect the vulnerable and to protect the health service.

the goal was never zero covid, because that simply isnt possible due to the legalities around the free movement of people and the fact we share a 300 mile land border with another country.

so while gangs of young lads and lassies hanging around without a care in the world LOOKS completely wrong.. it may actually be beneficial if they are developing immunity without even knowing it. As long as they have the cop on around vulnerable people, and in that, vulnerable people have to be extra cautious, things may not be as bad as they appear.

even cluster outbreaks like yesterday arent that bad as long as the median age of these groups are low and that they know to isolate and restrict movement. we could be here in 2 weeks where all 84 of those yesterday may not have ever shown a symptom and all 84 would be immune.

the only way to beat this thing without a wide spread vaccination program is to allow the least at risk groups develop immunity and become actual real barriers to spread and not vectors.

Dave_The_Sheep

Buer wrote: »

The population simply are not taking the necessary precautions in their daily lives.

In various whatsapp chats I'm in, I've seen the following (along with the usual, it's just a flu, it's a hoax, etc)
- I won't wear masks because they didn't tell us to at the start, why now?
- I won't wear masks because I don't want to breathe in my own air.
- I won't wear masks because I don't know which ones to wear and they can't decide what I should wear.
- I won't wear masks because they don't protect me.
- When it was pointed out that it's not to protect you, it's to limit the spread and protect others from potential infection, the response was "my body my choice".

The real "what the ****" moment I had was when it was pointed out to them that it's not just your body, as you're more at risk of spreading it to others without a mask, the response was along the lines of "Well, we already had a referendum about abortion and we decided as a nation that 'my body my choice' was what we cared about. We don't care about the unborn so why should I care about others now?" - in absolute seriousness.

The mind f*cking boggles sometimes.

Former Former

molloyjh wrote: »

I'd imagine they'd need to be right on top of you panting directly into your face for it to be an issue. The level of dispersal in open air would massively mitigate any risk. Plus we simply dont know what level of particle exposure is required for infection.

Yeah, I agree, and if you're strolling in the park, grand. If you're on the footpath of a city street or queuing outside a shop, maybe not.

These things are all incremental. A tiny risk that you take over and over again is no longer a tiny risk. Smoking one cigarette isn't harmful, but smoking one cigarette every 30 minutes for 20 years isn't a great idea.

Buer

Had my first day off in ages today and went into town for a few hours to do some shopping etc. I'm appalled at the lack of compliance. People of all ages and demographics were walking around shops without any face covering (plenty were but almost as many were not). Staff in pharmacies without masks (I was looking for reusable masks, they didn't stock them and couldn't tell me where I could get any). I saw a HSE worker off shift in a department store with no mask.

But the most telling thing was when I went for food in a cafe. It was a big place, loads of space and room and also located near a couple of large construction sites. A few gangs of lads were in getting fry ups. None of them had masks. They sat in booths in groups of 6, elbow to elbow for 30-40mins, sharing condiments, teapots etc. If any of them had Covid, they had a decent chance of infecting the others in that one sitting.

After this morning, I don't see how numbers will not continue to escalate. We won't go back to the peak numbers I believe but I do expect to go back into the hundreds each day in the near future. I don't see how we won't. And it has little to do with travel in or out of the country. The population simply are not taking the necessary precautions in their daily lives.

Podge_irl

Former Former wrote: »

It's lower risk for sure but it's not zero.

If a jogger comes running past and he's panting hard, he's throwing out a lot of viral particles. Likewise if some guy just coughs into the air, sneezes or even shouts. If someone else wanders into that plume, they're exposed and could be infected.

Now, the risk every time is incredibly small but if enough people do it, it becomes a statistical certainty.

A "plume" doesn't stay up in the air, particularly outside. There is a reason why the consider close contact to be 15 min exposure to someone infected.

It's just not that contagious. If you could get it by passing someone on the street the whole world would have it by now.

molloyjh

Former Former wrote: »

It's lower risk for sure but it's not zero.

If a jogger comes running past and he's panting hard, he's throwing out a lot of viral particles. Likewise if some guy just coughs into the air, sneezes or even shouts. If someone else wanders into that plume, they're exposed and could be infected.

Now, the risk every time is incredibly small but if enough people do it, it becomes a statistical certainty.

I'd imagine they'd need to be right on top of you panting directly into your face for it to be an issue. The level of dispersal in open air would massively mitigate any risk. Plus we simply dont know what level of particle exposure is required for infection.

Former Former

Podge_irl wrote: »

Not entirely sure there is a point to that. Is there any indication that incredibly brief outdoors exposure is the cause of any transmission?

It's lower risk for sure but it's not zero.

If a jogger comes running past and he's panting hard, he's throwing out a lot of viral particles. Likewise if some guy just coughs into the air, sneezes or even shouts. If someone else wanders into that plume, they're exposed and could be infected.

Now, the risk every time is incredibly small but if enough people do it, it becomes a statistical certainty.

Podge_irl

Neil3030 wrote: »

First step in Belgium was masks - everywhere, even if you're going for a jog.

Not entirely sure there is a point to that. Is there any indication that incredibly brief outdoors exposure is the cause of any transmission?

sydthebeat

kuang1 wrote: »

......

In paying respects to Cain, Trump said "he passed away from a thing called the China Virus"
......

he really is a cretinous mound of flesh......