Dempo1 wrote: » This thread has certainly attracted interesting a diverse views, but I learned tonight that a couple heading to Bulgaria (wife naturilised Irish citizen, hubby Irish) with their two kids, early July, every passenger questioned by SW inspectors. Hubby being a law student refused, Gardai approached them afterwards, asked for their passports say part of immigration checks (on a flight departure???), wrote down passport details and let them board. A number of weeks later after their return, their children's child benefits stopped, on explaining there is nothing stating child benefits can be cut for travelling, SW working on reinstating benifits, matters now under investigation and Gardai being asked to account for their actions. So not just PUP or SW recepients being targeted
homes_for_all wrote: » So why shouldn't unemployed people be allowed to holiday? I think some here would like to see them brutalised and subsist on gruel. It's been a hard time for everyone, let's not look for a boogey man to be angry at.
Eric Cartman wrote: » I think what my and many other posters keep banging on about is if we got closer to brutalisation and gruel that the numbers unemployed would fall sharply before you even got there. We have the worlds most generous welfare system and the proof in the pudding of its generosity is that suspending the payment of that welfare while they jet off to a sunny climate is a controversial topic.
blanch152 wrote: » Nobody should go on holiday. private sector workers can't go because either they lost their jobs, had their pay cut or were forced to take their annual leave during lockdown.
Beechwoodspark wrote: » Quite honestly I’m disgusted With ppl who want hard earned taxpayers money To go on holidays
SusieBlue wrote: » Did it ever occur to you that the majority of these people booked these holidays using their own hard earned wages long before coronavirus was a word we heard on the news every day? And that after already being laid off, they won’t be entitled to any refunds because flights are still going ahead because the government won’t take a hard stance on travel? And the fact that they are out of work through absolutely no fault of their own, and can only claim said social welfare because they themselves were also tax payers up till very recently?
blanch152 wrote: » Good, shouldn't be going on holiday. As I understand it, if you leave Ireland to live abroad, child benefit is no longer payable. In order to get around the going on holiday issue, the couple probably told the gardai they were going home to Bulgaria. The gardai, taking them at their word, had the Child Benefit cancelled.
blanch152 wrote: » That is rubbish. If the government are advising against non-essential travel, they are entitled to a refund.
ExMachina1000 wrote: » Some of you dont seem to realise that there are a few hundred thousand foreign nationals working here and paying tax. They are entitled to the PUP also. Gardai and social welfare officials are targeting them too as they are going home but not signing off the payment. Massive potential loss to the tax payers
SusieBlue wrote: » If the flight is going and you choose not to get on it, and the hotel is open but you choose not to go, you’re entitled to nothing. I was lucky enough to be able to get a refund/voucher for mine but I know other people who were not so lucky. A man I heard on the radio this week stands to lose 5k on a family holiday that he can’t get a refund for. He’s one of many stories I heard, a man who worked his whole life never claimed a cent who is now out of work through no fault of his own and who now stands to lose even more because the government won’t ban non essential travel. By not banning it the government are giving airlines and travel agents a loophole to avoid reimbursing or rescheduling, that’s the problem here.
Bowie wrote: » That's very commendable. Some cranks are trying to make it about unemployed people, Irish citizens, going on holiday. While I do not support it, it was a long running rule that they could once they gave welfare notice.
blanch152 wrote: » A long-running rule that was changed because of the advice not to travel abroad and put your fellow citizens at risk when you return. Of course the entitlement class objected to this, they have no interest in the wellbeing of the hard working ordinary man who is paying for their week in Ibiza.
fritzelly wrote: » https://twitter.com/gavreilly/status/1288220248307576835
Dempo1 wrote: » Interesting, it was never going to succeed but delighted two government TD's show some character. This will rumble on no doubt and with the shocking incompetence shown over the past few weeks, this coalition, like it's appalling decisions is on shakey grounds. God I hope there's no resurgs of Covid-19, with this shower, we are snookered and PUP recepients travelling will seem trivial by comparison.
ExMachina1000 wrote: » Green is yes Red is no What is blue? I don't mind?
Former Former wrote: » Sooo, should you not be even more outraged than the rest of us by people claiming benefits to which they are not entitled, and so giving the wider community of welfare recipients a bad rep?
Pkiernan wrote: » No one is calling pup recipients scroungers. Do you honestly believe that taxpayers should pay for foreign holidays? Especially when our domestic tourism sector is gutted? Personally I don't like paying 53% tax.
Eric Cartman wrote: » We should be doing this anyway. If youre on the states dime you shouldnt be in a different country. I dont know what it is about how far ‘human rights’ have come , but a foreign holiday is not a human right or anywhere close to it.
polesheep wrote: » What the last few days has shown us is that we are not, and never were, all in this together.
meeeeh wrote: » They can holiday in Ireland.
Obvious Desperate Breakfasts wrote: » Even those of us who get money from the state because we’re terminally ill and will never work again? We get funded by the taxpayer. Are we to stay in the country for good because of the source of our money? Maybe you think so but I bet you wouldn’t say that to my face.
