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Covid-19; Impact on the aviation industry

d51984

The current Coronavirus epidemic seems to be getting worse by the day, just wondering what complications if any may happen in the not to distant future.

Can we start taking peoples temperatures on arrival in to the country? Open up isolation centers in major cities? Will Aer Lingus and Ryanair start suspending flights, mainly to Italy so far?

This thing is going to get worse,and now its not a question of weather it arrives in Ireland but a matter of how long until it arrives.

Thoughts?

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Jack1985

Very relevant to this thread. It's a pity we don't have this balance in view within NPHET, in Government or within any of the opposition.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=enwiyKAhSic

Jack1985

kevinandrew wrote: »

The committee was infuriating viewing at times, the "Shannon lobby" in particular would have you believe there's a conspiracy against poor auld Shannon. One TD asking why Aer Lingus didn't minibus Shannon crew up and down to Dublin to keep them employed!

Both Eddie Wilson and Sean Doyle were united on pretty much every point; the need for testing, the lack of support for the industry and Ireland's continued outlier position on regarding travel and tourism.

TD Cathal Crowe, funny thing is what he's referring to there was EI crewing arrangements for SNN base as there isn't enough crew (well pre Covid) to cover routes so EI would position crew to/from SNN and to Hotels prior some duties so the TD seems to be using that as a bar to say to EI well use your SNN based crew using those previous arrangements to op ex-DUB.

However, everyone is conscious about unnecessary cash burn and that is a prime example of exactly that so it won't be happening. I'd agree completely, as I've said before I absolutely can’t stand locality politics it's beneath the office they hold - But it's why these committees are a laugh to any intellectual individuals as yesterday proved. I can imagine Wilson had a great chat with O’Leary prior to this.

TD Fergus O'Dowd used the term ''That's balderdash Mr Aer Lingus'' when Sean correctly said, ‘I'll judge Gov on their actions and they have done nothing.’ He's absolutely right, Mr O'Dowd has enough sh*t coming his way with previous track record on Nursing Homes.

donkey balls

Widdensushi wrote: »

It's easy say right place etc as it ran smoothly, give some credit as he was the reason it appeared so, costcutting measures etc were widespread and Alot of difficult yet vital decisions were made. As for selling off the esb, state bodies prove time and time again to be a waste of taxpayers money, better for to be privately owned and allow competition

Again people don't see the bigger picture here the likes of the ESB pay the government a small fortune as it is state owned, If the company was sold the profits and more than likely the work force be shifted off to a country of the new owner.
Which would have ment more people on the live register.
Again sorry for going off topic.

L1011

Beechwoodspark wrote: »

Ok. Won’t mention them again on this thread.

Or any thread not specifically about it. Ever. This is your final warning, although I have a feeling I said that last time.

Beechwoodspark

L1011 wrote: »

You meet my definition of a troll on this thread. Taxation and carbon are entirely off topic, as it is basically every time you try to shoehorn them in. Stop it.

Ok. Won’t mention them again on this thread.

L1011

Beechwoodspark wrote: »

Hap I’m not a troll

I have some issues with FR yes

You meet my definition of a troll on this thread. Taxation and carbon are entirely off topic, as it is basically every time you try to shoehorn them in. Stop it.

Beechwoodspark

[Deleted User] wrote: »

This poster is a Troll. Don't feed them.

Hap I’m not a troll

I have some issues with FR yes

Widdensushi

donkey balls wrote: »

I know this is aviation and not politics but to call Kenny and a good leader is questionable, Kenny was an accidental leader just happened to be in the right place and time etc.
As for Leo he is another mouth piece had him knock on my door during the 2011 elections, At the time the governments wanted to sell off all state assets.
I asked him why he wanted to sell off the ESB and did he know the critical work done here in Ireland and throughout the world with ESBI, Lets just say his minder had to drag him away.
People have to remember the majority of TD/Ministers have never worked shift hours or in an actual job, The only time they see an airport is when flying off on junkets or holidays.
There is one crowd they listen too and that's all these FDI companies scattered throughout Ireland, Remember the majority of these companies need cargo and pax access if that is limited or cut off all together there be calls left right and center.

It's easy say right place etc as it ran smoothly, give some credit as he was the reason it appeared so, costcutting measures etc were widespread and Alot of difficult yet vital decisions were made. As for selling off the esb, state bodies prove time and time again to be a waste of taxpayers money, better for to be privately owned and allow competition

[Deleted User]

Beechwoodspark wrote: »

Invest in the future - carbon neutral aviation

This poster is a Troll. Don't feed them.

Cookiemunster

gral6 wrote: »

****ing FF! They are killing Irish aviation industry !

And FG. And the Greens. Remember that neither of the big parties is dominant, so they both carry any blame equally. And the Greens are anti aviation by policy.

Nijmegen

gral6 wrote: »

No one is forcing you to fly, stay home and save lives

Oh what I mean is that Ryanair's brand and business seems impervious over time to screwing the customers over. It seemed to stumble growth a little some time ago, but in the post-Covid smaller aviation industry and presumably a recession people will flee to price and Ryanair will win back customers. Every social media post they put out today is met with "Where's my refund?" but I'd bet those same "I'll never travel with them again" crowd will, in fact, travel again with them when the time is right.

kevinandrew

The committee was infuriating viewing at times, the "Shannon lobby" in particular would have you believe there's a conspiracy against poor auld Shannon. One TD asking why Aer Lingus didn't minibus Shannon crew up and down to Dublin to keep them employed!

Both Eddie Wilson and Sean Doyle were united on pretty much every point; the need for testing, the lack of support for the industry and Ireland's continued outlier position on regarding travel and tourism.

Cookiemunster

donkey balls wrote: »

And what would we do with the monies from this levy?

A better question would be what monies would we get when nobody is flying. I'd ignore him as he wants the aviation industry shut down due to its miniscule affects on global warming, and taxing the arse of the industry when it's on its knees is a great way to do it.

gral6

donkey balls wrote: »

And what would we do with the monies from this levy?

We'll get some tax credits to buy more bikes. Eamon Ryan will be pleased

Beechwoodspark

donkey balls wrote: »

And what would we do with the monies from this levy?

Invest in the future - carbon neutral aviation

donkey balls

Beechwoodspark wrote: »

Now is a good time to introduce a green levy on the carriers, the airport and the consumers.suggest 8% moving to 10% next year

And what would we do with the monies from this levy?

Beechwoodspark

Now is a good time to introduce a green levy on the carriers, the airport and the consumers.suggest 8% moving to 10% next year

gral6

Nijmegen wrote: »

Of course being Ryanair there'll be a €9.99 sale and all will be forgiven by the travelling public. Amazing business.

No one is forcing you to fly, stay home and save lives

Nijmegen

sailing wrote: »

Having listened to the committee meeting there can be no doubt the industry is heading into uncharted territory in Ireland.

It must have been frustrating for both CEO’s listening to such sh@@ from the majority of the committee TD’s. Most were ill prepared, ill equipped to understand the macro consequences of our travel policy. A rapid change of direction is needed but I’ve no faith in this crowd of amateurs.

These committees have always been theater. It was amusing to see Willie Walsh back in front of them when IAG was aiming to buy EI, he shared a few jokes with some of them like Timmy Dooley about the old days when he'd be in front of them often at the helm of EI. He was well able for the BS that got thrown up in the theater and was more well received for having doffed the the cap.

Attending these committees is just that - doffing the cap so that when the civil servants and the minister deliver a solution with the industry it isn't seen that it was all done behind closed doors.

Blut2 wrote: »

The FT had a short piece on Ryanair yesterday with some interesting figures. Some vaguely positive highlights in there:

https://www.ft.com/content/87b1d615-423b-42d1-9f80-c50bbc5dec58

They've obviously got huge customer service problems, and treat their staff very poorly, but Ryanair really do never cease to impress with otherwise how well run their operations are.

Their cash position has been helped immensely by the way they've been parceling out refunds slowly but surely. When you use your customers as a bank you can extend quite a bit, as anyone involved in a Business to Business sector in particular can tell you! Of course being Ryanair there'll be a €9.99 sale and all will be forgiven by the travelling public. Amazing business.

billy few mates

lintdrummer wrote: »

I was wondering is he going to a Christening or something after the hearing

Most probably a funeral, for some reason politicians of all parties and none use funerals as self promotional events...

donkey balls

Widdensushi wrote: »

He's not in opposition, he is tanaiste, but point taken, I think everyone is getting flashbacks of ff flushing the Irish economy down the drain, it might not be a popular opinion but I think enda Kenny was a very good leader and the country thrived while he was leader.

I know this is aviation and not politics but to call Kenny and a good leader is questionable, Kenny was an accidental leader just happened to be in the right place and time etc.
As for Leo he is another mouth piece had him knock on my door during the 2011 elections, At the time the governments wanted to sell off all state assets.
I asked him why he wanted to sell off the ESB and did he know the critical work done here in Ireland and throughout the world with ESBI, Lets just say his minder had to drag him away.
People have to remember the majority of TD/Ministers have never worked shift hours or in an actual job, The only time they see an airport is when flying off on junkets or holidays.
There is one crowd they listen too and that's all these FDI companies scattered throughout Ireland, Remember the majority of these companies need cargo and pax access if that is limited or cut off all together there be calls left right and center.

gral6

****ing FF! They are killing Irish aviation industry !

Blut2

The FT had a short piece on Ryanair yesterday with some interesting figures. Some vaguely positive highlights in there:

Ryanair grounded 99 per cent of its flights for the three-and-a-half months to the end of June; in July it was back to running 40 per cent of its schedule. Ryanair reckons it will run as many as 70 per cent of flights in September.

At a time when cash is king, Ryanair has oodles of the stuff. It had almost €4bn at the end of June, after borrowing €600m through the Bank of England’s bond buying scheme. Sector-leading cost control has also helped. Ryanair trimmed costs 85 per cent in the three months to June. Not bad, even if revenues did fall further. Since its July restart, Ryanair is cash break-even or better.

https://www.ft.com/content/87b1d615-423b-42d1-9f80-c50bbc5dec58

They've obviously got huge customer service problems, and treat their staff very poorly, but Ryanair really do never cease to impress with otherwise how well run their operations are.

Widdensushi

kona wrote: »

Speaking of opposition, the more i see whats going on since the election, varadkar is looking like a genius, hell take about 6 months of a holiday in opposition and let that bunch of clowns completely shaft themselves (us too unfortunately). Hell be back in power by next year and only have the left to deal with.

Im no fan of varadkar but he seems to be the only one who has some sort of ability.

He's not in opposition, he is tanaiste, but point taken, I think everyone is getting flashbacks of ff flushing the Irish economy down the drain, it might not be a popular opinion but I think enda Kenny was a very good leader and the country thrived while he was leader.

sailing

Having listened to the committee meeting there can be no doubt the industry is heading into uncharted territory in Ireland.

It must have been frustrating for both CEO’s listening to such sh@@ from the majority of the committee TD’s. Most were ill prepared, ill equipped to understand the macro consequences of our travel policy. A rapid change of direction is needed but I’ve no faith in this crowd of amateurs.

LawBoy2018

kona wrote: »

Speaking of opposition, the more i see whats going on since the election, varadkar is looking like a genius, hell take about 6 months of a holiday in opposition and let that bunch of clowns completely shaft themselves (us too unfortunately). Hell be back in power by next year and only have the left to deal with.

Im no fan of varadkar but he seems to be the only one who has some sort of ability.

It's so refreshing actually having a proper opposition. It really hammers home how farcical the supply and demand arrangement was between FF & FG in during the last government.

coolshannagh28

kona wrote: »

Speaking of opposition, the more i see whats going on since the election, varadkar is looking like a genius, hell take about 6 months of a holiday in opposition and let that bunch of clowns completely shaft themselves (us too unfortunately). Hell be back in power by next year and only have the left to deal with.

Im no fan of varadkar but he seems to be the only one who has some sort of ability.

This does look like a mess of a government and difficult to see it lasting ,Varadkar playing with a straight bat on the media but I would say there is a lot going on behind the scenes .

kona

trellheim wrote: »

Only holds for Government TDs .

Opposition TDs on committees tend to be of the highest quality of the two committees I regularly follow .

Speaking of opposition, the more i see whats going on since the election, varadkar is looking like a genius, hell take about 6 months of a holiday in opposition and let that bunch of clowns completely shaft themselves (us too unfortunately). Hell be back in power by next year and only have the left to deal with.

Im no fan of varadkar but he seems to be the only one who has some sort of ability.

Doylers

de biz wrote: »

https://www.oireachtas.ie/hourly/

Committe 2

Spot on thank you

de biz

Doylers wrote: »

Anyone a link to the recording ?

https://www.oireachtas.ie/hourly/

Committee 2