Fionn1952 wrote: » So apart from showing up every so often with a pithy one liner to try and stir the pot, do you actually have anything to contribute? Would you find it particularly informative, useful or constructive if I kept jumping into threads and stating that camping site holidays are just for people who can't go on a proper holiday? I'd have an Ireland full of people like Downcow all day over bog average trolls like yourself. At least he can articulate his point of view beyond obvious trolling attempts.
Scoondal wrote: » Hopefully never.
jm08 wrote: » So, this has nothing to do with the GAA other than there was a Wolfetone Concert in the local GAA hall? With that kind of logic, the Orange Order were responsible for the death of the three Quinn boys. What do you say to catholics who were burnt out of their homes? Are you surprised if they don't forgive protestants for doing that? Take Bobby Storey for example - burnt out of 3 homes by protestants by the age of 14. He joined the IRA at 16.Whats the important bit of your band culture? What do you say to people who feel threatened by these activities. Is that part of the enjoyment of them?
Junkyard Tom wrote: » The Irish nation has been a force that is not contained within the 26 counties for centuries now. The Irish diaspora in the US has warned the British not to mess around with the border/GFA and the British have paid attention. Ireland punches way above its weight diplomatically. You've always looked to the British state to crack Paddy's skull if he ever got above his station but you've been systematically outmanoeuvred. n.
downcow wrote: » What power exactly does Roi have in NI?
downcow wrote: » Horay to the two Francies I think Francie (on here) has just answered your question. They have zero power to decide anything in NI. If you are arguing that they do have a say then you should get very annoyed with them on a whole range of issues which they and you say yous want eg Irish Language Act, which have not happened.Your argument about Irish state company and power is just ridiculous unless you are going to admit china has a say in ROI, UK, EU, etc. The other Francie (Molloy) seems to have got it right - you guys think the GFA gave you practically a UI
downcow wrote: » Horay to the two Francies I think Francie (on here) has just answered your question. They have zero power to decide anything in NI. If you are arguing that they do have a say then you should get very annoyed with them on a whole range of issues which they and you say yous want eg Irish Language Act, which have not happened. Your argument about Irish state company and power is just ridiculous unless you are going to admit china has a say in ROI, UK, EU, etc. The other Francie (Molloy) seems to have got it right - you guys think the GFA gave you practically a UI
jm08 wrote: » This is the actual quote from Paisley (note nothing about 'power'): “Where do the terrorists operate from? From the Irish Republic, that’s where they come from. Where do the terrorists return to for sanctuary? To the Irish Republic.“And yet Mrs. Thatcher tells us that that Republic must have some say in our province. We say, never, never, never, never Can we agree that Ireland has a 'say' in the affairs of Northern Ireland. Edit: Just remembered, doesn't an Irish State owned company own Northern Ireland's power supply?
Fionn1952 wrote: » On that point, he was 100% incorrect. I suspect you don't actually know the full context of the quote. It wasn't specifically about unification. Paisley was saying 'Never' to 'the Irish Republic having some say in our province' .....unfortunately for Paisley's ilk, it has already happened, so no, it absolutely wasn't, 'spot on'. Perhaps reading more than three words of a speech would help before wading in like you have half a clue what you're on about?
Scoondal wrote: » Never, never, never. Or in my Ian Paisley (R.I.P.) voice ... NEVER, NEVER, NEVER. I didn't generally agree with him, but on this point I think he was spot on.
timthumbni wrote: » Hmmm. A Protestant religious grouping only accepting protestants. I’m shocked. Has the Catholic Church had many Protestant popes, or Muslim priests? Because that’s the ridiculous direction you are heading down there.
The gaa did have a ban on people due to their occupation though.
That’s absolute discrimination right there. And very weird for a so called sporting organisation.
Also allowing teams to name themselves after terrorists. Hardly welcoming for any unionist or Protestant who would like a game. Though that’s the point isn’t it.
Deleted User wrote: » Is it true,you can be kicked out of orange order for marrying a catholic,but not for killing one?
timthumbni wrote: » Hmmm. A Protestant religious grouping only accepting protestants. I’m shocked. Has the Catholic Church had many Protestant popes, or Muslim priests? Because that’s the ridiculous direction you are heading down there. The gaa did have a ban on people due to their occupation though. That’s absolute discrimination right there. And very weird for a so called sporting organisation. Also allowing teams to name themselves after terrorists. Hardly welcoming for any unionist or Protestant who would like a game. Though that’s the point isn’t it.
Bambi wrote: » Did the GAA ever have ban on people joining because of their religion? How about the Orange Order on that front?
downcow wrote: » JM08, why do you misrepresent stuff and then not admit it. You said that she saw a KAT signed on a bonfire, when she clearly did not
As for these highly dangerous fires. Hundreds of fires, thousands of people, lots of locations, decades of fun - can you tell me of one single injury. It is quite remarkable how people keep so safe.
A fair bit of my work is in health & safety and risk assessing. The most basic and important statistic when risk assessing is to look at previous injuries. On that basis it would be very difficult for you to describe these events as highly dangerous - certainly not as dangerous as your average game of football.
The truth really is that you detest them. You pick the worst of them and try and convince people that this is representative of what goes on. One of the main fires in my location is Kilkeel. I have not googled it yet, but have a little look, I am sure you will find it is more representative of what actually happens on the 11th night - not perfect, but more representative
downcow wrote: » I do get a bit fed up replying with facts and links for you to try and sidestep them but here goes again. I could have picked other links but this one seems to prove that even the GAA accept that something needed apologised forhttps://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-48911306 I could have give you a media link about the racism by Kilcoo GAA, but this link is much more humorous if not concerning, to see the racist attitudes of those postinghttp://www.hoganstand.com/county/down/forum/details/79495?PageNumber=1 But sure none of the above happened. Let's bury our heads in the sand and blame the Unionists for everything.
downcow wrote: » I do get a bit fed up replying with facts and links for you to try and sidestep them but here goes again. I could have picked other links but this one seems to prove that even the GAA accept that something needed apologised forhttps://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-48911306
I could have give you a media link about the racism by Kilcoo GAA, but this link is much more humorous if not concerning, to see the racist attitudes of those postinghttp://www.hoganstand.com/county/down/forum/details/79495?PageNumber=1 But sure none of the above happened. Let's bury our heads in the sand and blame the Unionists for everything.
Cunningham was racially abused during an Ulster club final against Down champions Kilcoo in December 2012 - after a complaint the Ulster Council banned one Kilcoo supporter for life and handed a four-month ban to Kilcoo player Aidan Branagan.
jm08 wrote: » Thats a lie. Link please.
jm08 wrote: » She saw the tricolour and the EU flag on a bonfire. She heard chants of ''we hate catholics'' (also heard on their tape). Those bonfires are downright dangerous, so they are not evolving in a good way. Since when was anyone worried about damage? Fire fighters have to douse houses with water so that they don't go up in smoke! In the rest of the world, you can't burn a bit of rubbish in your back garden because it damages the environment, but there is no issue with loyalists setting fire to Northern Ireland. They are just dangerous. Are you going to keep the ''We hate catholics chanting''?
downcow wrote: » there was the county GAA team who shouted sectarian abuse a group of young unionist girls.
We also have my local GAA club supporters racially abusing a black player from the sidelines
downcow wrote: » You really have a problem reading my posts from your very prejudiced position. I did not deny that there are issues a minority of bonfires. And your prejudice leads you to hear stuff she didn’t say either ie that they saw KAT signs on the bonfire. Where did you hear this? I think what you mean is you would rather she had seen KAT signs on the fire - care to retract that?
As for size of fires. You still seem to be stuck in this ‘things must stay the same’, this is why you can’t move your opinion on anything. I have said many times that our culture evolves over time.
There used to be 1,000s of bonefires but they were in the middle of the road at the end of every street As road surfaces changed these fires were causing serious damage. Hence streets and communities came together and moved to areas of open usually waste ground to combine their efforts. Of course you now have a problem with that.
What is wrong with combining maybe 100 fires into one. They are very impressive. Just more work is needed to clean up the last few of sectarian banners and flags
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