Junkyard Tom wrote: » There are few issues these days.
downcow wrote: » Guys yous are distracting fionn. He is compiling a list of incidents of band parades upsetting nationalist communities in 2019. He is taking a while so it must be a very long list he is developing. Should be easy because as Francie says, we are rotten. ......or maybe we are not lol
downcow wrote: » Never thought I would hear you admit it. Huge respect to you for getting past your own prejudice to acknowledge loyalist parading issues are ‘few’
Fionn1952 wrote: » Perhaps we don't all spend our entire Friday evenings sitting on Boards, Downcow. I was having a rather nice meal at home with my partner and didn't notice your reply until recently. Once more you're a great one for the aul cherry picking. In a discussion about issues with the Orange Order and 12th July celebrations.....you want to exclude the Orange Order and 11th Night (a fundamental part of the overall festival celebrations, disputed by absolutely no one). Even within your tight parameters, I'd say walking through Derry with Parachute Regiment symbols on their uniform was pretty intentional and provocative last year. I'd say the Shankhill Star band's memorialising of Brian Robinson is pretty provocative. I'd say the Clarke Memorial Flute Band playing The Famine Song outside a Catholic church in 2018 was pretty nasty. In fact I'd question quite a bit of the repertoire of some of the more Blood and Thunder bands (I believe I've got the terminology correct there?)
Junkyard Tom wrote: » There are fewer issues because you're not allowed to march where you'd like to. To borrow a phrase, unionism had to be 'house trained'.
downcow wrote: » Ok so I gave you the very tight parameters of 1,000+ band parades lol. You found 3 issues. Zero from what my community regard as band parades in 2019. One, the Brian Robinson, could at a stretch be called a band parade. One was from 2018 (not a band parade either) and one was from the apprentice boys day. This should put things in perspective for people. 1,000+ parades and fionn finds one issue which is a band holding an event to remember a terrorist. Wrong and condemned by me. Just as wrong as the hunger striker marches. So fionn, what about excepting loyalist bands in ni in 2019 were involved in less controversial issues than gaa teams. It’s important southerners understand this.
FrancieBrady wrote: » Totally ignoring the toxic elements highlighted by Fionn and no acceptance that the only reason you have managed what you have is down to the vigilance of a parade commission you vehemently hate and oppose. You are fooling nobody but yourself here.
Fionn1952 wrote: » Once more he swings the goalposts off to another pitch, as predicted a few posts back. All of the incidents I highlighted were Loyalist bands. You were the one who specified we were talking about bands, not the Orange Order. The Apprentice Boys parade were accompanied by who, Downcow? The Clyde Valley Flute Band from Larne. The one from 2018 was, as mentioned the Clarke Memorial Flute Band. Were you expecting a play-by-play on every single band parade of the last five years? You asked for some examples, I took two minutes and found some examples. Apparently the issues with Loyalist bands don't count if Downcow hand waves it away. Head in the sand stuff here.
[Deleted User] wrote: » The fact yous have no issue,with bands parading about through derry with insignias in support of soldier F is nothing short of shocking Any unionists i know,stomachs turn at what he done and the wipespread support of him is alienating them from mainstream unionism
Fionn1952 wrote: » To clear your very confused musings up Downcow, what actually happened was I was complaining about your constant changing of parameters and unnecessarily narrowing of them to try and create a false narrative. You've got so ridiculous that you're suggesting discussion of the 12th and Orange parades aren't relevant.....to a discussion that started around the 12th and Orange parades. I'd laugh, but I get the impression you genuinely think you're being reasonable here.
downcow wrote: » You wanted parameters and I was very clear that we leave loyal order parades out of it and focus on the 1,000+ band parades. I even said these are the parades happen every Friday and Saturday night accross the province that thousands of young people attend. You could not find one single incident. Quite remarkable and something they should be extremely proud of. So you could park that issue by acknowledging their discipline and behaviour before moving on to the 1,000+ loyal order parades. Integrity and levelheadedness and we’ll get somewhere here.
downcow wrote: » Someone sent me this article about the Irish eu deal. I am unaware of the source so am genuinely interested in what you guys think? Is it anywhere near the truth? It wouldn’t auger well for a UI if true. You would be net contributors to eu and we are net receivers from uk. A no brainer for us.https://gript.ie/new-eu-deal-lets-face-it-ireland-got-screwed/
RobMc59 wrote: » That's a phenomenal amount of money and must be irritating as Ireland has been responsible.To now have to pay to bail out others is wrong imo and would definitely affect any potential Irish/EU financial input to a UI. As a UK tax payer I have concerns about paying for economic measures the chancellor brought in for covid.If I had to pay for other countries I'd be very unhappy.
BonnieSituation wrote: » Responsible? You were constantly bleating about how irresponsible we were and how the border needed to be shut to stop the rampaging hoardes infecting the good Brits of Poyntzpass and Jonesboro.
FrancieBrady wrote: » Which is probably why nobody has a problem when your bands parade and behave themselves. What people specifically HAVE A PROBLEM with, what the Parades Commission was created for was to deal with the 'toxic, rotten' elements on show every year around parades, 11th night etc. You still don't recognise and thank the Parades Commission for tidying up your image. You should.
downcow wrote: » Thanks Francie. Others should note that when a belligerent republican like Francie says the band scene has now a tidy image, it is quite a recommendation. This would be a good starting point for a real discussion about the future. Let’s park the past as we have totally different perspectives of it. Let’s bank the fact that republicans on here have accepted that the ‘twelfth day’ is fine and tidy. Let’s bank that no one can find a single incident or issue with each of the 600+ bands own parade competitions on fri and say nights and there seems acceptance that that is sorted. People clearly feel there is much work needed re the 11th night and I accept that and am happy to discuss as it is moving fast in the right direction. The other issue from 2019 was a band wearing parachute regiment wings on its sleeve. That’s another very complex one. It is difficult and unfortunate, but it is certainly not as presented here. It’s interesting how my culture goes under the microscope here and the gaa etc gets a fairly by ball, but I guess understandable.
jm08 wrote: » UK missed big time not being in the EU because it would have done well out of this fund as it has been hard hit. Since Ireland is an exporting country, it is in our interests that countries like France, Spain and Italy recover quickly so that they can be back contributing again so that we are not the 5th highest contributor and we can sell stuff to them. Just for the record, the EU has set aside €5 billion for the countries that are most affected by Brexit where it looks like Ireland will be the major beneficiary of that fund (along with Belgium).
downcow wrote: » Fair play jm08. You are certainly an optimist ��
jm08 wrote: » I suppose DC, the GAA confine their activity to a big field and are not marching up and down the public roads annoying everyone. Why not just get the bands to confine themselves to marching around a big field. A compromise could be that the GAA players could get and follow them around (oh, I forgot, thats what happens in the GAA anyway). Watch thishttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pGZMdEupFkM
downcow wrote: » Firstly that is nonsense that they confine their activities to the field. Their activities off the field was what drove the last few Protestant families out off my town. Also rediculous that you want my culture to mirror your culture. That’s the most rediculous thing you have said yet. I hope someday you with see the rich value of diversity. Francie says the twelfth has tidied up its image. Why don’t you go along next year and get a real sense what it is like. It’s very hard to judge from the outside, get in there and see what it is really like in a town centre on the twelfth. You might even enjoy it
downcow wrote: » Firstly that is nonsense that they confine their activities to the field. Their activities off the field was what drove the last few Protestant families out off my town.
Also rediculous that you want my culture to mirror your culture. That’s the most rediculous thing you have said yet.
I hope someday you with see the rich value of diversity. Francie says the twelfth has tidied up its image. Why don’t you go along next year and get a real sense what it is like. It’s very hard to judge from the outside, get in there and see what it is really like in a town centre on the twelfth. You might even enjoy it
