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30kph coming to Dublin road near you? (note warning in post #254)

FarmerBob

DCC planning rolling out 30kph to most (all?) main routes in the city.
Most residential routes are already 30kph but little media attention about this one.
Can you imagine driving at 30kph on Howth rd, Malahide Rd, Stillorgan Rd, Griffith ave etc. Buses in empty bus lanes sneaking along at 30kph?

https://consultation.dublincity.ie/traffic-and-transport/consultation-proposed-special-speed-limit-2020/

Consultation open until 13 August 2020>>>

https://consultation.dublincity.ie/traffic-and-transport/consultation-proposed-special-speed-limit-2020/consultation/subpage.2016-07-06.7004763650/

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kenmm

spurious wrote: »

To build yet another cycle lane for them to not use.

If you weren't a mod I would think this is a troll.

Clontarf cycle lane is one of the busiest stretches in Dublin and the leaflet you linked clearly has a lot of benefits to the are other than the building of a cycle lane.

spurious

magicbastarder wrote: »

Do you have a better source for that than a Facebook group? That's almost the least reliable source possible you've mentioned there.

Yes I have a leaflet distributed to homes. See attached.

begbysback

Xterminator wrote: »

so no one yet has recognized the benefits of this move in loss of life?

i mean you dont have to agree, but to go full donald trump and claim is just ignoring science and evidence.

If you hit a pedestrian:

at 40 mph there is a 90 percent chance they will be killed.
at 35 mph there is a 50 percent chance they will be killed.
at 30 mph there is a 20 percent chance they will be killed.
at 20 mph there is a 2.5 percent chance they will be killed.

from https://www.roadwise.co.uk/using-the-road/speeding/the-chance-of-a-pedestrian-surviving/#:~:text=If%20you%20hit%20a%20pedestrian%3A,chance%20they%20will%20be%20killed.

So then why don’t we just ban cars altogether ?? :rolleyes:

markpb

nthclare wrote: »

This speed over distances will be bad for some car's, they'll have to drive on lower gear's, higher revs therefore burning more diesel and petrol polluting the atmosphere more than ever.

Sometimes I wonder what kind of idiot's come up with these ideas..

This is the same reason that is trotted out every time someone proposes reducing a speed limit. What do you think would be a good speed limit for the city? Are cars all humming along at 50kph blowing out clean air at the minute? Why are some drivers only concerned with their pollution when speed limits are the topic of conversation?

Not all cars are inefficient at lower speeds. At the times when there are most cars on the city centre roada, they’re not being driven at anything close to the speed limit (old or new) and instead spend most of their time stopped in traffic or at lights. At night time when traffic volumes are lower, traffic lights are still a thing and your ability to see is reduced so you should be driving with more caution and less speed anyway.

magicbastarder

spurious wrote: »

Even better....wait for this.... I saw on a Facebook group that Annesley bridge is to be shut for 16 months

Do you have a better source for that than a Facebook group? That's almost the least reliable source possible you've mentioned there.

magicbastarder

SeanW wrote: »

the absolute worst I've encountered from Irish motorists is that they can sometimes be inconsiderate.

I think I live on a different planet to you. In a different reality.

spurious

Even better....wait for this.... I saw on a Facebook group that Annesley bridge is to be shut for 16 months (apart from buses and cyclists) and all the Howth, Malahide and Coast road traffic funneled into one lane through Ballybough. Why? To build yet another cycle lane for them to not use.

We will be dreaming of getting to 30kph.
Lunacy.

Charles Babbage

Carawaystick wrote: »

Not all people cycling have to obey the law.

That is clearly what cyclists think. But the law is for everyone, however self important they may feel themselves.

and not all laws apply to people cycling. Speedlimits being the most obvious example.

So cars will be limited to 30kph while cyclists can do what they like?
That figures.

nthclare

This speed over distances will be bad for some car's, they'll have to drive on lower gear's, higher revs therefore burning more diesel and petrol polluting the atmosphere more than ever.

Sometimes I wonder what kind of idiot's come up with these ideas..

Del2005

Xterminator wrote: »

so no one yet has recognized the benefits of this move in loss of life?

i mean you dont have to agree, but to go full donald trump and claim is just ignoring science and evidence.

If you hit a pedestrian:

at 40 mph there is a 90 percent chance they will be killed.
at 35 mph there is a 50 percent chance they will be killed.
at 30 mph there is a 20 percent chance they will be killed.
at 20 mph there is a 2.5 percent chance they will be killed.

from https://www.roadwise.co.uk/using-the-road/speeding/the-chance-of-a-pedestrian-surviving/#:~:text=If%20you%20hit%20a%20pedestrian%3A,chance%20they%20will%20be%20killed.

Since there is no enforcement of the current 30 zones and there will be no enforcement of these new limits how is this of benefit to anybody? They should start with enforcing our current laws instead of the tradition of making new laws which will be ignored to replace the currently ignored laws

SeanW

I never claimed that all motorists and bus drivers were absolutely 100% perfect. But yes, the absolute worst I've encountered from Irish motorists is that they can sometimes be inconsiderate. And BTW this has nothing to do with speed.

And my 6 point list was not mutually exclusive, all 6 can be problems experienced by the same pedestrian(s) and I have found all to be so. None of them have anything to do with motorist speed and all could be fixed without an overkill, blanket reduction in maximum speed limits.

Carawaystick

SeanW wrote: »

5) Special measures to prevent motorists, bus drivers etc from blocking pedestrian crossings during peak times. Trying to cross Clare St. at the Merrion Sq. junction, i.e. from the National Museum to the Mont hotel (link) can be ... interesting at 6PM on a weekday.
6) Better control over the behaviour of cyclists which borders on total lawlessness.

Its peculiar you give an example of people driving motor vehicles breaking the law and yet its the behaviour of cyclists that is nearly totally lawless.

Not all people cycling have to obey the law.
and not all laws apply to people cycling. Speedlimits being the most obvious example.

SeanW

These "benefit" will likely be theoretical, misguided and can be likened to using a wrecking ball to drive a nail, as far as proportionality is concerned.

Speeds above 30mph (50kph) are already banned in all core urban areas including city arterial roads. The list above also assumes that motorists never have any warning of an impending collision, in reality a motorist will likely hit the brakes, reducing their speed. Pedestrian fatalities in this country are relatively low, indicating that at most a tiny minority of motorists or pedestrians use the roads in a way that make pedestrian fatalities likely.

Finally, as routine pedestrian in Dublin city for many years, I could think of half a dozen things that would make my journeys safer and less stressful that have nothing to do with motorist speed.

1) Footpaths that are wide enough for purpose.
2) Junctions that should have pedestrian crossing for all arms (Merrion Row, Baggot St. and Ely Place I'm looking you)
3) More and official "scramble" crossings that allow you to cross diagonally at a junction instead of having to cross multiple arms separately. Less nonsense like this in Santry.
4) Shorter waits plus countdown timers at signal controlled pedestrian crossings. Ironically DCC once had countdown to green man timers on pedestrian crossings South of O'Connell bridge, but they were taken down and not replaced when the lights were "modernised" a few years back. Why?

5) Special measures to prevent motorists, bus drivers etc from blocking pedestrian crossings during peak times. Trying to cross Clare St. at the Merrion Sq. junction, i.e. from the National Museum to the Mont hotel (link) can be ... interesting at 6PM on a weekday.
6) Better control over the behaviour of cyclists which borders on total lawlessness.

Maybe DCC should focus on this before they worry about motorist speed.

Xterminator

so no one yet has recognized the benefits of this move in loss of life?

i mean you dont have to agree, but to go full donald trump and claim

This is of almost no safety benefit

is just ignoring science and evidence.

If you hit a pedestrian:

at 40 mph there is a 90 percent chance they will be killed.
at 35 mph there is a 50 percent chance they will be killed.
at 30 mph there is a 20 percent chance they will be killed.
at 20 mph there is a 2.5 percent chance they will be killed.

from https://www.roadwise.co.uk/using-the-road/speeding/the-chance-of-a-pedestrian-surviving/#:~:text=If%20you%20hit%20a%20pedestrian%3A,chance%20they%20will%20be%20killed.

magicbastarder

FarmerBob wrote: »

Can you imagine driving at 30kph on Howth rd, Malahide Rd, Stillorgan Rd, Griffith ave etc.

anyone who has ever driven in rush hour traffic in dublin doesn't need to imagine it.

kenmm

This was done over in the current affairs forum.

https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2058083347

All the usual boards.ie arguments can be found there.

Eric Cartman

utter insanity. This is of almost no safety benefit and is clearly part of the road diet plan to make Dublin City unbearable to drive through.