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Bubblesxoxx

I have been a dancer in Dublin for a decade started in my early 20s a lot of the girls I work with are sound and believe me it’s definitely nothing you see on tv. However Ireland seems to have this negative attitude towards women in this industry or deems us all sex addicts or easy when the woman who gets bread in her local supermarket could be doing all kinds of dirty things that’s way worse than dancing and it seems to be okay because she’s doing it for free I don’t get the mindset of some of these people we have stage names in work to protect our identity.

Part of this job comes with a lot of stigma there’s been a few girls who had people find out their day jobs and contact their boss to try and get them fired it’s normally women who rat them out and try to ruin their lives over it. There’s nothing I’d love more than to be open about my job and how it’s helped me get through some dark times in my life but I just couldn’t handle all the derogatory labels and insults and lows people will go to try and ruin your life over it. Since covid hit I don’t know how the strip club industry in Dublin is going to survive.

I want to know what your opinions are on strippers and the likes of using onlyfans to make money nothing you say is going to bother me it’s more curios why people have a begrudging attitude towards these things when they do worse things for free with their husbands boyfriend or a random Jack the lad from coppers In Dublin on a night out.

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I Am Nobody

Some strippers love the entertainment part of what they do.And in fairness you can't possibly expect them to make moral decisions for those who lack it.That burden isn't theirs to bear.I think alot of people forget that point.They are only offering a service to ones who engage and pay for it.Much like any other business. Thats the bare bones of it IMO.

leggo

Gretas Gonna Get Ya! wrote: »

It's very unlikely that these professions will ever become recognised as "normal" everyday jobs... and this has nothing to do with people being conservative or non-progressive in their thinking.

Strip clubs etc have been as common as muck in most large US towns and cities for decades... and generally speaking Americans would be more open-minded about these things than our post catholic sexually repressed Ireland.

And nevertheless, if you move into any middle class suburban neighbourhood in the US and tell your neighbours that you moonlight as an exotic dancer on the weekends for some extra money, you will get very similar reactions from people that you would here in Ireland. You won't get ostracised from society... but people will generally have less respect for your choice of job.

It's nothing to do with people needing to catch up with the times over here, or learn more about the industry... it's a seedy industry. Period. It doesn't mean you're a terrible person for choosing to get involved in it for some money. But people will always have slightly less respect for you, no matter what part of the world you do it in...

What ‘industry’ is this you speak of though? Part of OF’s appeal is that you’re working for yourself and, even if you decide to do sex videos etc, it’s with people you actively ask to participate. It’s cutting out the seedy middlemen if anything and that’s where porn/sex work now seems to be going. Porn stars are going there, strippers, Instagram influencers etc...they’re all migrating because it’s a way better environment for workers. So I’d say the industries you’re referring to will probably start to disappear as time goes on because of this. It’s a big deal like. And even though there’ll be evolutions as time goes on, I think this as a base model is here to stay for a while and the rest will have to adapt because why would people go back?

I know porn was becoming nigh-on impossible for people to make a living with free sites making it untenable, so that’s what this is in response to and it’s coincided with a lot of body positive movement that’s connected with the general public.

As for it becoming normalised, again I think we’re already there. What’s more normal than people you know personally getting involved with it, as myself and multiple people here have seen? It’s spoken about in pub chats, and when it’s spoken about I’ve found it’s not in the tone some people are taking it here. Maybe the auld lads at the bar since 2pm on a Tuesday take the dated tack that ‘these women are whores’, but that has definitely been filed into the category of ‘let’s just wait for this opinion to die out with that generation’ along with several others.

Whether it’s a long-term job/career or not, I dunno, there’s obvious limitations there. But I don’t think people who get involved see it that way anyway. Working in a Penney’s isn’t a long-term job/career for most who do it, but it doesn’t invalidate it as a way of paying the bills either. (And no before someone starts I’m not comparing the two)

PsychoPete

s1ippy wrote: »

I 100% do, which is why I said in my initial post that it's pathetic anyone has to bring money into sexual exchanges. It devalues the whole situation when you reduce it to a financial figure.

But I suppose some of us have the luxury of enjoying sex and for others, it's a seedy transaction. I can't believe the OP begrudges those of us who enjoy having sex for fun while at the same time insists we respect them for charging people to watch her undress. That's an insane demand.

Supply and demand

Gretas Gonna Get Ya!

It's very unlikely that these professions will ever become recognised as "normal" everyday jobs... and this has nothing to do with people being conservative or non-progressive in their thinking.

Strip clubs etc have been as common as muck in most large US towns and cities for decades... and generally speaking Americans would be more open-minded about these things than our post catholic sexually repressed Ireland.

And nevertheless, if you move into any middle class suburban neighbourhood in the US and tell your neighbours that you moonlight as an exotic dancer on the weekends for some extra money, you will get very similar reactions from people that you would here in Ireland. You won't get ostracised from society... but people will generally have less respect for your choice of job.

It's nothing to do with people needing to catch up with the times over here, or learn more about the industry... it's a seedy industry. Period. It doesn't mean you're a terrible person for choosing to get involved in it for some money. But people will always have slightly less respect for you, no matter what part of the world you do it in...

jaxxx

Mr.S wrote: »

I have one friend who does OnlyFans, it's absolutely mind-blogging the amount of money she makes from it - on top of working full time in a career-type job.

She had a deposit saved for her house under 12 months as a result of doing it. Mental.

Power to them, I don't see the issue as long as they are happy with their photos being online, if it works for them - what's the issue?

The issue is there are far too many people in this day and age who are obsessed with what others do in their private lives, so much so that they think it's their god given right to exert their ideals on others.

Like yourself, if they're happy to have their photos online and everything is all above board, what business is it really of anyone else's. Can say that for a wide range of things really.

doughef

Are we allowed ask what the only fans user name is ??

Man with broke phone

I think people with only fans accounts are people who make short term choices for short term gain. They may if lucky make a years wages before becoming over exposed and unable to earn.

What next for them?

Well they can plunge further into the porn industry and make way less than they think they will earn, the girl who did the porn in the turban a few years ago was everywhere and in loads of high profile videos, she claimed recently she was never in profit, one of the production companies denied this and said she made iirc 175 000 dollars in her career. Now this is one of the most high profile girls in the industry willing to do almost anything.
Sounds like alot of money but tax healthcare a personal assistant and agents wages and suddenly it's the price of a white Audi if she is lucky.

Now imagine she made great long term plans and got a degree in law or finance. As soon as these videos come back to haunt her she will be that girl who worked for AAA Finance limited that did them nudey pictures. Boss can't promote her if he is a married Male because the wife will be on his case about even having her in the office, if the boss is female she will more than likely dislike her for some reason or other, its what they do.

So my opinion on it is that I would pity somebody who got involved in it but if somebody whatsapped me the videos I would watch them unless it involved a family member. I dont have to live the rest of their lives, let them at it.

anewme

Ultrflat wrote: »

If your working full time, I believe your aloud to earn a certain amount of money before its taxable. not 100% tho

Not sure what you mean?

anewme

Mr.S wrote: »

Yep, all above board.

Fair play so.

Ultrflat

anewme wrote: »

Are they paying tax on their earnings?

If your working full time, I believe your aloud to earn a certain amount of money before its taxable.

not 100% tho

s1ippy

joe40 wrote: »

Would you have the same scorn for the Men who go to these establishment or engage with the activity.

I 100% do, which is why I said in my initial post that it's pathetic anyone has to bring money into sexual exchanges. It devalues the whole situation when you reduce it to a financial figure.

But I suppose some of us have the luxury of enjoying sex and for others, it's a seedy transaction. I can't believe the OP begrudges those of us who enjoy having sex for fun while at the same time insists we respect them for charging people to watch her undress. That's an insane demand.

anewme

Mr.S wrote: »

I have one friend who does OnlyFans, it's absolutely mind-blogging the amount of money she makes from it - on top of working full time in a career-type job.

She had a deposit saved for her house under 12 months as a result of doing it. Mental.

Power to them, I don't see the issue as long as they are happy with their photos being online, if it works for them - what's the issue?

Are they paying tax on their earnings?

Santan

EmmetSpiceland wrote: »

Or that pub in Ballyferriter, Co. Kerry, who was offering money to anyone who’d go topless.

What pub was that

EmmetSpiceland

anewme wrote: »

Anyone remember this Lady?

Toni, Exotic dancer, from Ballyfermot who took up 'exotic dancing' to pay for her kids music lessons after her husband lost his job.

Interesting snapshot of life in Ireland the 80's.

I remember her posters would be up locally and some people going, oh isnt that terrible!

https://www.rte.ie/archives/2016/1129/835226-toni-exotic-dancer/

Or that pub in Ballyferriter, Co. Kerry, who was offering money to anyone who’d go topless.

anewme

Gretas Gonna Get Ya! wrote: »

Exotic dancers, strippers... whatever name you wish to use. They have been around forever in places like the US etc...

Anyone remember this Lady?

Toni, Exotic dancer, from Ballyfermot who took up 'exotic dancing' to pay for her kids music lessons after her husband lost his job.

Interesting snapshot of life in Ireland the 80's.

I remember her posters would be up locally and some people going, oh isnt that terrible!

https://www.rte.ie/archives/2016/1129/835226-toni-exotic-dancer/

ExMachina1000

A Tyrant Named Miltiades! wrote: »

Choice has to be based on consent, freely given.

There seems to me to be a tension between consent and power imbalance, eg can't pay rent if you dont take off your clothes for someone's sexual gratification.

Maybe there is a good way of resolving that, it's more of a question than a statement.

I'm talking about the website where people charge others to see them in the nip

[Deleted User]

ExMachina1000 wrote: »

What happened to my body my choice

Choice has to be based on consent, freely given.

There seems to me to be a tension between consent and power imbalance, eg can't pay rent if you dont take off your clothes for someone's sexual gratification.

Maybe there is a good way of resolving that, it's more of a question than a statement.

ExMachina1000

A Tyrant Named Miltiades! wrote: »

Is the exchange of money for nudity not a power imbalance, just like it would be if (say) a fashion photograoher demanded nude pics from models? We've seen high profile cases like that in the metoo movement.

I haven't really thought about it, but there is at least a grey area here. The introduction of money for sexual gratification surely implies a power imbalance.

What happened to my body my choice

joe40

Gretas Gonna Get Ya! wrote: »

Yeah, you are very delusional...

I don't care if they are married, married girls sleep around plenty too. I'm sure there are a small minority who just "dance" and go home to their partner... but from what I have seen, they are only the minority.

Trying to make "dancers" seem more respectable is a waste of time. Society is never going to see your profession in the way that you would hope... you are only marginally more respectable than hookers. You are really just a slightly more upmarket version of a prostitute, in the eyes of most people in society. (whether they admit this to your face or not)

Exotic dancers, strippers... whatever name you wish to use. They have been around forever in places like the US etc... and in all that time the perception has not really changed at all. Yes there are some clubs that have better reputations than others, but the job title itself is still viewed essentially the same way it always was.

Sorry if that hurts your feelings, but it's very easy to pick another profession if your goal is to be more respected by people!

Would you have the same scorn for the Men who go to these establishment or engage with the activity.

daheff

This thread has the feel of becoming an article in a certain Sunday newspaper......

[Deleted User]

Bubblesxoxx wrote: »

Hahaha How do I have a chip on my shoulder? I’m pointing out that Irish people have the cheek to criticize dancers for basically just going topless with no physical contact and getting paid for it when there is way worse things every day people do. No dancer is ever forced into working in my club or any other club I’ve worked at you are talking about prostitution and I don’t mix the two together at all. Open your eyes women are constantly sexually exploited you barely have to even dress up to get men leering at you or checking you out in day to day life

Is the exchange of money for nudity not a power imbalance, just like it would be if (say) a fashion photograoher demanded nude pics from models? We've seen high profile cases like that in the metoo movement.

I haven't really thought about it, but there is at least a grey area here. The introduction of money for sexual gratification surely implies a power imbalance.

Gretas Gonna Get Ya!

Bubblesxoxx wrote: »

Yeah and girls that do that give the rest of us a bad name we don’t mix sleeping with customers into our job we normally laugh about the men who promise us the world to go back and sleep with them. Any girl caught doing **** like that is fired it’s also harmful to the industry. You’d be surprised how many girls in the place are married. There is a few girls that will do anything but then again who doesn’t these days

Yeah, you are very delusional...

I don't care if they are married, married girls sleep around plenty too. I'm sure there are a small minority who just "dance" and go home to their partner... but from what I have seen, they are only the minority.

Trying to make "dancers" seem more respectable is a waste of time. Society is never going to see your profession in the way that you would hope... you are only marginally more respectable than hookers. You are really just a slightly more upmarket version of a prostitute, in the eyes of most people in society. (whether they admit this to your face or not)

Exotic dancers, strippers... whatever name you wish to use. They have been around forever in places like the US etc... and in all that time the perception has not really changed at all. Yes there are some clubs that have better reputations than others, but the job title itself is still viewed essentially the same way it always was.

Sorry if that hurts your feelings, but it's very easy to pick another profession if your goal is to be more respected by people!

Bubblesxoxx

s1ippy wrote: »

Stopped reading after this point because in fairness, for somebody who is willing to take their clothes off for money in front of people, what the hell business is it of yours what consenting adults do to each other behind closed doors. At least they don't have to bring money into it, unlike sex workers who are often forced into the work due to lack of talent/intelligence (besides selling your body) or depraved clientele who have to pay to get some because nobody would shag them otherwise.

Clearly there is good and bad in every industry and if you could remove the chip from your shoulder maybe you wouldn't spend your days being sexually exploited and could actually live out some of the bizarre perverted fantasies you imagine the woman buying bread has.

Hahaha How do I have a chip on my shoulder? I’m pointing out that Irish people have the cheek to criticize dancers for basically just going topless with no physical contact and getting paid for it when there is way worse things every day people do. No dancer is ever forced into working in my club or any other club I’ve worked at you are talking about prostitution and I don’t mix the two together at all. Open your eyes women are constantly sexually exploited you barely have to even dress up to get men leering at you or checking you out in day to day life

Bubblesxoxx

Gretas Gonna Get Ya! wrote: »

I've no problem with "dancers". But in my experience, you guys definitely sleep around with more random guys than the average person on the street. A LOT more!

So yes, I do consider most of you to be very "easy"... and I find easy women to be a bit trashy and lacking in self respect.

I'm generalising of course. But sometimes generalisations are grounded in reality. Each to their own though! It's a free world and all that Jazz!

Yeah and girls that do that give the rest of us a bad name we don’t mix sleeping with customers into our job we normally laugh about the men who promise us the world to go back and sleep with them. Any girl caught doing **** like that is fired it’s also harmful to the industry. You’d be surprised how many girls in the place are married. There is a few girls that will do anything but then again who doesn’t these days

Ted_YNWA

Queasy Tadpole wrote: »

Are your friends proud to be whores?

Queasy Tadpole wrote: »

Yeah Sarah down in accounts... yeah she moonlights as an internet whore... yeah she is making a killing, he check out her asshole... show the lads in sales.

How'd you think that would go down for Sarah?

Mod

Can you improve your posting style & vocabulary.

Gretas Gonna Get Ya!

Queasy Tadpole wrote: »

Yeah Sarah down in accounts... yeah she moonlights as an internet whore... yeah she is making a killing, he check out her asshole... show the lads in sales.

How'd you think that would go down for Sarah?

Depends what class of lads you have down in sales I suppose.

Also depending on the establishment she's working in, she might get a few promotions if she gives a few favours to the right people!

Sarah's a fun girl, who doesn't like Sarah? :P

leggo

Queasy Tadpole wrote: »

Are your friends proud to be whores?

Never even said they were friends, but I’d imagine there’s more pride to be had in that than being the sexually aggressive lad online whose nerve is hit by the word ‘creep’...

bb1234567

I have no issue with it, but I feel sorry for the position that these people have put themselves in, that they have left themselves open to being stalked or doxxed by random weirdos on the internet. Yeh you get some money, but in the long run it probably won't be worth it. There are just too many ways in which the consequences could greatly outweight the benefits. So yeh, wouldn't recommend it.

If it was my friend, I wouldn't judge them or think lesser of them. But I would hope that they considered it just as very temporary means to an end within their greater life path. In one way I'd admire the fact that they are so confident in their body that they want to broadcast it online to strangers without embarassment, but if they hoped for this to be a major source of income long term, it would make me a bit upset for their sake. Everyone had body parts that look pretty much alike, some a bit better than others but really none are all that special, every personality and their talents and qualities are completely unique, I'd hope that they'd see more value in those parts of themselves than their arse.

Looks fade..what are you left with if you spent all your life trying to perfect this body for your fans. I'm generalising obviously, I'm sure it's just a part time gig for most, but yeh my main concern would be that they wouldn't develop skills for any fall back in the meantime. But again , if it works and theyr're happy then sure it's probably a silly concern of mine.

Queasy Tadpole

Yeah Sarah down in accounts... yeah she moonlights as an internet whore... yeah she is making a killing, he check out her asshole... show the lads in sales.

How'd you think that would go down for Sarah?

Airyfairy12

Whats onlyfans?

Personally don't see any problem with sex work or women who dance, as long as it's their own choice and they have free will, its trafficking and exploitation that I have issue with.

As for people attempting to ruin dancers career's, can that be reported? Surely it can't be legal to fire someone for working a seperate, totally legal job that doesn't effect the day job?