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Allow me to explain why the 'All Live Matter' hashtag is awful.

iamstop

If you are using the 'alllivesmatter' hashtag and don't know any better or are confused why people are mad at you let me explain it:
1. The original hashtag 'BlackLivesMatter' was a reaction to a string of well documented cases of police brutality that resulted in the death of a long list of unarmed black people. On top of that there was no appropriate punishment for the police officers involved. They mostly got paid or unpaid leave until the heat died down and continued back at their jobs after that. Meanwhile the families and friends of the deceased got no justice. This sends shockwaves of trauma throughout the immediate community, the country of the US and the rest of the black population outside of the US too. This original hashtag started to really shine a light of the system wide oppression of black people in America and elsewhere.
2. The oppressors decided that this hashtag would gather too much momentum and decided they needed to water it down and dilute it with 'alllivesmatter' to protect the racist system that they benefit from. And to some degree it's working (COINTELPRO). Every time you use that hashtag you are doing the work of the oppressor. You are being used as a pawn. You are being manipulated into diluting a movement that's main goal is end police brutality.
2a. Nobody using the 'BlackLivesMatter hashtag is saying Only Black Live Matter. It is universally understood that all lives matter.
3. So, now that you are educated on the deceitful and hateful and manipulative reasons for this 'alllivesmatter' hashtag to exist you should stop doing the work of the oppressor and stop using it and stop being used.
3a. If you've read all this and understand it and still use the 'alllivesmatter' hashtag then shame on you. You are a terrible human.

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Silentcorner

Foxtrol wrote: »

So yes, all in your head. You're going down the hypothetical that a rise in shootings in relatively local areas that have nothing to do with businesses may increase insurance rates at some point in the future.

You sir are something else.

A massive surge in violence is going to have an impact on trade for local businesses.

Defunding the police is going to have a massive impact on the ability of those businesses to get affordable insurance premiums.

It's like trying to get insurance for a business in areas that are prone to flooding....this isn't even difficult to grasp!!!!

If businesses close they leave a hole in the local tax coffers.

What world are you living in????

Cupatae

Silentcorner wrote: »

You sir are something else.

A massive surge in violence is going to have an impact on trade for local businesses.

Defunding the police is going to have a massive impact on the ability of those businesses to get affordable insurance premiums.

It's like trying to get insurance for a business in areas that are prone to flooding....this isn't even difficult to grasp!!!!

If businesses close they leave a hole in the local tax coffers.

What world are you living in????

It's when you meet people like this on boards you actually hope they are trolling but nope..this is not a drill

this is for real!

kildare lad

Silentcorner wrote: »

What world are you living in????

Wakanda

Foxtrol

Silentcorner wrote: »

How can there be evidence of a crime that was prevented?????

Just look at the stats....before the unit was disbanded and after....simple!!!!

Let me guess...the surge in murders and shootings are because people are stealing bread!!! (a reason given by AOC)

Look at the crime stats before and as COVID progressed.

We have no evidence of causation but the impact of COVID is a lot greater than 600 officers getting reassigned to different police units in a city of 8+million people.

Foxtrol

Silentcorner wrote: »

You sir are something else.

A massive surge in violence is going to have an impact on trade for local businesses.

Defunding the police is going to have a massive impact on the ability of those businesses to get affordable insurance premiums.

It's like trying to get insurance for a business in areas that are prone to flooding....this isn't even difficult to grasp!!!!

If businesses close they leave a hole in the local tax coffers.

What world are you living in????

I'm living in a US city so likely a lot more informed than you are.

Businesses, especially in big US cities, have much greater issues with COVID than imagined insurance increases due to violence in pockets of cities.

kildare lad

Foxtrol wrote: »

Look at the crime stats before and as COVID progressed.

We have no evidence of causation but the impact of COVID is a lot greater than 600 officers getting reassigned to different police units in a city of 8+million people.

Whose doing all the killings in Chicago

kildare lad

Foxtrol wrote: »

I'm living in a US city so likely a lot more informed than you are..

I hope you were protesting peacefully

Foxtrol

kildare lad wrote: »

Whose doing all the killings in Chicago

Criminals

kildare lad

Foxtrol wrote: »

Criminals

What colour are the criminals

Foxtrol

kildare lad wrote: »

I hope you were protesting peacefully

Thanks for your concern, every one I've been on so far has been peaceful.

Foxtrol

kildare lad wrote: »

What colour are the criminals

Statistics say more likely than not the same race as the victim

Silentcorner

Foxtrol wrote: »

Thanks for your concern, every one I've been on so far has been peaceful.

Let me guess, you were one of the liberals trying to shout down this young lady?

kildare lad

Foxtrol wrote: »

Statistics say more likely than not the same race as the victim

And what race are the victims in Chicago, ill give you a clue if your stuck ?

Foxtrol

Silentcorner wrote: »

Let me guess, you were one of the liberals trying to shout down this young lady?

Nope, she is entitled to her opinion. I however listen to the black people I'm friends with and to the hundreds of thousands of black people that were protesting.

Cupatae

Foxtrol wrote: »

Nope, she is entitled to her opinion. I however listen to the black people I'm friends with and to the hundreds of thousands of black people that were protesting.

Ahh they must be right so if there's hundreds of thousands of em...not like the mob is ever wrong...they always get it right like those times , they elected Trump.. or the hundreds of thousands that lined the streets for Hitler ect... Ya mass crowds are certainly an indication of whose right and whos wrong.

Or is it just when it suits your agenda ? I almost feel sorry for you at this point watching your logic get picked apart. If only you were open minded and not a BLM fanatic you d actually learn something.

Foxtrol

kildare lad wrote: »

And what race are the victims in Chicago, ill give you a clue if your stuck ?

Do you want to post a link to a specific crime and have me say if the person is white/black/other? :rolleyes:

I really don't get what you're trying to get out of this line of questioning. It is like me asking you what race were the criminals involved in gangland killings in Limerick, as if that proves some problem with white culture/society/people.

Criminals are criminals and they are much more likely to commit crimes against people of their own race.

1800_Ladladlad

Trigger warning; Andy Ngo content.

This video shows the level of intelligence the parents of these children have. Wtf is wrong with them. This child abuse. Using a child to promote a racist political group for attention. Teaching them to hate at that age is vile.

https://twitter.com/MrAndyNgo/status/1286406849659432962

Foxtrol

1800_Ladladlad wrote: »

Trigger warning; Andy Ngo content.

This video shows the level of intelligence the parents of these children have. Wtf is wrong with them. This child abuse. Using a child to promote a racist political group for attention. Teaching them to hate at that age is vile.

Police are a race now??

Not parenting that I'd condone but rather than those words I'd be much more concerned with Andy Ngo hanging out with a far-right group as they planned to attack a bar where a woman was seriously injured.

engleburt

If you take Chicago as the yard stick, black lives dont seem to matter to black people, so why should i , a white devil care about black lives?

Yellow_Fern

Foxtrol wrote: »

Police are a race now??

Not parenting that I'd condone but rather than those words I'd be much more concerned with Andy Ngo hanging out with a far-right group as they planned to attack a bar where a woman was seriously injured.

Cheap tactics. Look over there at my wild allegation.

Cordell

Foxtrol wrote: »

What they are doing isn't working. Crime went down the last time NYPD went on strike.

Crime records went down because they were, you know, not doing it.

WrenBoy

Foxtrol wrote: »

Nope, she is entitled to her opinion. I however listen to the black people I'm friends with and to the hundreds of thousands of black people that were protesting.

I thought we weren't allowed use the I have black friends line anymore ? :pac:

Foxtrol

Yellow_Fern wrote: »

Cheap tactics. Look over there at my wild allegation.

'Wild allegation' that is backed up by video and the man himself didn't deny being there. :rolleyes:

There is a video of him smiling and laughing with the far right group (Patriot Prayer) prior to them attacking the bar. Given this evidence even Ngo didn't even try to say he wasn't there but instead made up a pitiful excuse that he was 'checking his phone' during the points when the gang were discussing the attack so didnt hear them.

The guy is a far right grifter.

Foxtrol

engleburt wrote: »

If you take Chicago as the yard stick, black lives dont seem to matter to black people, so why should i , a white devil care about black lives?

Going by your logic, looking at gang murders in parts of Limerick or parts of Dublin it seems white lives don't matter to white people. Why are Irish people here trying to use ALM or WLM if they don't care about white lives?

Overheal

Yellow_Fern wrote: »

Cheap tactics. Look over there at my wild allegation.

So you say?

But now video has surfaced of Ngo smiling and laughing with members of the far-right group Patriot Prayer shortly before they allegedly orchestrated an attack on a group of antifascists at a leftist bar in a separate incident in May. A female bar patron was knocked unconscious and said she suffered a fractured vertebrae.

In his coverage, Ngo framed the incident as an “antifa brawl” and did not mention that he was with members of Patriot Prayer as they donned body armor, helmets, and weapons before launching their alleged attack.

To Ngo’s critics, the footage confirms what they’ve argued all along: that far from a victim of political violence in Portland, he’s a willing participant. He’s been repeatedly accused of selectively editing videos from protests in a manner that absolves far-right activists of responsibility and skews blame towards antifa.

https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/d3apyv/super-awkward-for-right-wing-blogger-andy-ngo-to-make-a-cameo-in-video-of-plot-against-antifa

In the video, about a dozen Patriot Prayer members discuss their plan of attack and assess the wind direction so that they don’t pepper-spray themselves.

“We’re the ones with the weapons here!” someone says.

“There’s a hundred of them there,” someone else says. “I’ll take the first three.”

Multiple people mention that Patriot Prayer leader Joey Gibson is on his way with “back-up.” “Hope they got 10 big dudes with them,” someone says. “That’d be nice.”

Ngo is standing with them while they prepare to enter the bar, Cider Riot, with his phone in his hand. But he doesn’t film anything, and he didn’t tweet or write about anything he saw or heard.

2u2me

iamstop wrote: »

Exactly.

"2. The oppressors decided that this hashtag would gather too much momentum and decided they needed to water it down and dilute it with 'alllivesmatter' to protect the racist system that they benefit from. And to some degree it's working (COINTELPRO)."

Another major part of COINTELPRO is to discredit the individual and/or organization. EXACTLY what is being done here and most people on this thread are eating it up. History repeating.

Weren't you banned for trolling the thread? Didn't you admit you were trolling this thread? I had a search for the post but now it's gone.

These boards don't mean much anymore with the amount of things being deleted left right and centre.

Cupatae

2u2me wrote: »

Weren't you banned for trolling the thread? Didn't you admit you were trolling this thread? I had a search for the post but now it's gone.

These boards don't mean much anymore with the amount of things being deleted left right and centre.

Conspiracy Theories Mod... why am i not surprised

2u2me

Cupatae wrote: »

Conspiracy Theories Mod... why am i not surprised :D

I may be mistaken, but I was pretty sure it was that poster.

I remember there was a post by hunky monster calling them out.

Has all this stuff been deleted? Am I the only one who saw that?

Tokyo

2u2me wrote: »

Weren't you banned for trolling the thread? Didn't you admit you were trolling this thread? I had a search for the post but now it's gone.

These boards don't mean much anymore with the amount of things being deleted left right and centre.

Mod: We're not handing out junior mod badges this week. Drop it.

1800_Ladladlad

Cecilia Loving, FDNY chief of diversity and inclusion, who made the decision to kick Lt. Daniel McWilliams who was one of the three firefighters who raised the U.S flag at Ground Zero on 9/11, iconic photo, ensuring that the procession would be made up of only black people. Talk about utter racism right here and what a total lack of respect to Lt. Mcwilliams.

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Loving testified at a state Division of Human Rights trial on McWilliam’s complaint that he was the victim of racial bias. McWilliam’s lawyer, Keith Sullivan asked Loving in the trial if a request for an all-black color guard was discriminatory? “No, it isn’t,” Loving replied. Loving said it’s okay to replace a white member with an African-American to “uplift our identities and our separate ethnicities in order to instill a sense of pride and community and support for one another.” ...... eh

Sullivan called out the double standards in the FDNY “If you’re black and you discriminate against a white person in the workplace, you get a slap on the wrist at best,” he wrote. A white person who discriminates gets “heavy-handed discipline and punishment"

Loving has received “one hour of counseling” as discipline for her treatment of McWilliams. :rolleyes: The is on going. And of course there was retaliation agasint McWilliam’s by the mob

Its not about justice. It about revenge with the BLM.

https://nypost.com/2020/07/25/fdny-official-defends-excluding-famed-9-11-officer-from-procession/