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swiwi_

jacothelad wrote: »

Hep/C is treated with a weekly dose of pegylated interferon-α (IFN-α).

...back in the day...

jacothelad

stephen_n wrote: »

Is that the same interferon they use for treating hepatitis C?

Hep/C is treated with a weekly dose of pegylated interferon-α (IFN-α).

Bridge93

Surely Leinster from early 2000s to 2008

Yeah_Right

Clegg wrote: »

Is there a rugby equivalent of Manchester United? Play a great attacking brand of football when the pressure is off, but as soon as Champions League qualification/an FA Cup final place is on offer, they bottle it.

The All Blacks from 1987 till 2011?

mfceiling

Former Former wrote: »

Do their fans relentlessly overhype their players too?

If so, I think we're talking about Ulster

Roger Wilson was twice the player Heaslip was but never got picked....something, something Leinster bias.

Former Former

Clegg wrote: »

Is there a rugby equivalent of Manchester United? Play a great attacking brand of football when the pressure is off, but as soon as Champions League qualification/an FA Cup final place is on offer, they bottle it.

Do their fans relentlessly overhype their players too?

If so, I think we're talking about Ulster

[Deleted User]

In Dunnes today, I'd say 85% had masks on. Saw a lot of kids with masks on, have gotten masks for my lads also which they wear anywhere indoors in public.

Podge_irl

Invariably the problem you will have with those deciding to go ahead and take holidays is that Irish travel advice is not consistent with advice from pretty much the rest of the continent. The Italians are happy for you to go there, and they are happy for their citizens to travel abroad and return there.

Podge_irl

Clegg wrote: »

Is there a rugby equivalent of Manchester United? Play a great attacking brand of football when the pressure is off, but as soon as Champions League qualification/an FA Cup final place is on offer, they bottle it.

Leinster pre 09...

thomond2006

Clegg wrote: »

Is there a rugby equivalent of Manchester United? Play a great attacking brand of football when the pressure is off, but as soon as Champions League qualification/an FA Cup final place is on offer, they bottle it.

Clermont up until a few years ago were famous for butchering finals.

[Deleted User]

Former Former wrote: »

You are at your most infectious around the time that symptoms appear, when the virus is most concentrated in your upper respiratory tract and therefore most likely to be thrown out when you sneeze/cough/talk/shout.

As time goes on, your body either gets rid of the virus (mild case) or concentrates deeper in your lungs (not good) and so either way you're less likely to pass it on.

The advice to isolate for 14 days after your symptoms resolve is probably conservative but that's a good thing IMO.

Cheers. I realised after asking that this is definitely something I should know already.

Clegg

Is there a rugby equivalent of Manchester United? Play a great attacking brand of football when the pressure is off, but as soon as Champions League qualification/an FA Cup final place is on offer, they bottle it.

Former Former

Deleted User wrote: »

At what point are you over the virus and cannot spread it further? Do you get another test once you feel better?

You are at your most infectious around the time that symptoms appear, when the virus is most concentrated in your upper respiratory tract and therefore most likely to be thrown out when you sneeze/cough/talk/shout.

As time goes on, your body either gets rid of the virus (mild case) or concentrates deeper in your lungs (not good) and so either way you're less likely to pass it on.

The advice to isolate for 14 days after your symptoms resolve is probably conservative but that's a good thing IMO.

Buer

irishbucsfan wrote: »

If they just actually enforced the 2 weeks it would hugely cut the travel. Make it absolutely necessary and unavoidable. Im doing it right now and it’s awful

But you have us, at least.

[Deleted User]

At what point are you over the virus and cannot spread it further? Do you get another test once you feel better?

Stheno

irishbucsfan wrote: »

If they just actually enforced the 2 weeks it would hugely cut the travel. Make it absolutely necessary and unavoidable. Im doing it right now and it’s awful

I'd a friend in another country who caught the virus (their partner is a healthcare worker)

Where they live, if you test positive you have to stay home until you test negative two days in a row.

My friend kept testing positive until 57 days later, when they had the two negative tests

57 days stuck in an apartment :eek:

I think I would have lost my mind.

irishbucsfan

If they just actually enforced the 2 weeks it would hugely cut the travel. Make it absolutely necessary and unavoidable. Im doing it right now and it’s awful

stephen_n

jacothelad wrote: »

Possibly some better news.....a vaccine that shows promise in producing antibodies. Phase one human trials of a Covid-19 vaccine being developed by researchers at the University of Oxford suggest it triggers two types of immune response. Not only does the jab trigger the production of antibodies – proteins that can bind to the virus, preventing it from entering cells and flagging it to immune cells – but it also seems to result in the production of “killer” T cells – immune cells that attack infected human cells.

What about in the mean time? Treating those before a vaccine arrives.

Trials of an experimental drug inhaled by patients have found a significant reduction in hospital patients with Covid-19 needing to be put on a ventilator or dying from the disease, according to researchers
The drug, called SNG001, is delivered via an inhaler and is based on interferon beta, a protein produced naturally in the body that plays an important role in coordinating the body’s antiviral response.
Researchers have announced the results of an initial trial which found the odds of Covid-19 patients needing ventilation, or dying, while being treated in hospital were reduced by 79% among those given SNG001 compared with those given a placebo.
What is more, the team behind the trial say those given the drug were just over twice as likely to show “no limitation of activities” or “no clinical or virological evidence of infection” during the 16-day study period – in other words, the chance of recovery was boosted. Those given the drug also showed a reduction in breathlessness.
SNG001 is not the first drug to show promise in treating coronavirus patients: a cheap steroid called dexamethasone has previously been shown to reduce deaths in those requiring help with breathing, while the antiviral drug Remdesivir cuts recovery time.
While Remdesivir was thought to be focused on coronaviruses, SNG001 has a more general effect, meaning it may also benefit patients with winter viruses such as flu.

Is that the same interferon they use for treating hepatitis C?

Buer

Former Former wrote: »

Yes, it has not been handled very well.

However, it doesn't take that long to figure out what the advice is;
1. Don't travel unless necessary
2. If travel is necessary, you must self-isolate for 14 days upon return.
3. You can only avoid self-isolation if you go to a green country.

There is absolutely and 100% a willful ignorance at play here. People who won't forego their sun holiday for one f**king year are going to do whatever the hell they want anyway. No one could possibly think that the green list is a government approved thumbs up for 2 weeks in the sun, except those who only hear what they want to hear.

You need to allow for modern society/human nature. There is absolutely willful ignorance here but don't underestimate active, genuine ignorance either. Plenty of people out there don't listen to or watch the news. They get their news from Facebook or their friends. Some people will 100% believe that it is now ok for them to travel to Greece on the lash for a week because it's on the list.

The green list is creating a vehicle for ignorance and ambiguity. Other people that know better (and fall more into the bracket you highlight above) will question whether is it really that bad to go on holiday if the government are saying you don't have to quarantine. They will interpret things differently and their own bias will influence their opinions.

Dave_The_Sheep

Former Former wrote: »

It's right there on the webpage you linked to:

However, it also has this on the top left. Spain for example is the orange "Avoid Non-Essential Travel".

People will (willfully or otherwise) assume that that means that it's OK to travel to Italy for non-essential purposes. It's mixed messages at it's finest.

Former Former

Dave_The_Sheep wrote: »

It doesn't help that they've moved all those countries from "avoid non-essential travel" to "normal precautions". Eg, Italy. Jesus wept.

No f*cking essential travel is the bare ****ing minimum at the moment, surely.

It's right there on the webpage you linked to:

Avoid non-essential travel until further notice:
The Irish Authorities advise against all non-essential travel overseas until further notice.

Dave_The_Sheep

It doesn't help that they've moved all those countries from "avoid non-essential travel" to "normal precautions". Eg, Italy. Jesus wept.

No f*cking essential travel is the bare ****ing minimum at the moment, surely.

awec

They actually aren't even advising self isolation for non-green countries from what I could see. Its reduced movement or something.

Former Former

Yes, it has not been handled very well.

However, it doesn't take that long to figure out what the advice is;
1. Don't travel unless necessary
2. If travel is necessary, you must self-isolate for 14 days upon return.
3. You can only avoid self-isolation if you go to a green country.

There is absolutely and 100% a willful ignorance at play here. People who won't forego their sun holiday for one f**king year are going to do whatever the hell they want anyway. No one could possibly think that the green list is a government approved thumbs up for 2 weeks in the sun, except those who only hear what they want to hear.

I agree with the above observation that personal responsibility won't work because we have too many people in this country who don't give a shyte about the common good, and who think the rules only apply to other people. The people getting onto packed planes to sit beside a crowded pool and drink in crowded bars are exactly the same ones who'll be bitching when the schools can't re-open.

Buer

Yup. The mixed messages of the whole green list is BS. You cannot tell people they should not travel abroad and simultaneously give them a list of countries deemed safe to travel to. There's no logic in it whatsoever.

Not only will people continue on with their holidays to Spain and Portugal, you can be certain that bookings for trips to Greece, Malta and Italy are seeing a huge jump since the announcement that they're now "safe". The lines will get blurred very quickly between going to safe places and restricted places.

Dave_The_Sheep

Buer wrote: »

Yup, I've colleagues who had holidays booked and have gone very quiet on the topic in recent weeks. Their annual leave bookings remain in place and it's clear they'll be off on those weeks and back in work the following Monday.

I imagine a significant number of people will lose their money if they choose not to go on these trips. I don't see too many people putting the greater good ahead of their own financial loss. Even for those who won't miss out financially, I don't see them putting the greater good ahead of their own holiday.

The thing is, they know themselves that they shouldn't be going, but are going anyway. Even those who I know have followed the guidelines and rules stringently and take it as a point of pride they did are going on holiday to the continent (including places going through a second wave).

While personal responsibility is absolutely a thing, I primarily blame the "softly softly" approach of the government on this. It's all "people should not", instead of making it impossible for people to do it. It's that there "might be" or "could be" restrictions on travel instead of actually going ahead and doing it.

I recognise there's a tightrope to walk as regards public health, the reopening economy and the needs of airlines and refunds, etc. I just wish they'd stop with the wishy washy bull**** and actually enforce things.

kuang1

Buer wrote: »

Yup, I've colleagues who had holidays booked and have gone very quiet on the topic in recent weeks. Their annual leave bookings remain in place and it's clear they'll be off on those weeks and back in work the following Monday.

I imagine a significant number of people will lose their money if they choose not to go on these trips. I don't see too many people putting the greater good ahead of their own financial loss. Even for those who won't miss out financially, I don't see them putting the greater good ahead of their own holiday.

So does the opposite of a spray-tan exist?
If not there's a business opportunity right there.

Imagine the shame of showing up in work after 2 weeks off all bronzed up?!

Buer

irishbucsfan wrote: »

Again the flight I was in was 100% full on a Monday. People are travelling in numbers and I heard multiple discussions about people not putting it on social media lest they be “judged”

I’ve multiple friends who run restaurants and bars down there. Theyre serving Irish tourists every night.

Yup, I've colleagues who had holidays booked and have gone very quiet on the topic in recent weeks. Their annual leave bookings remain in place and it's clear they'll be off on those weeks and back in work the following Monday.

I imagine a significant number of people will lose their money if they choose not to go on these trips. I don't see too many people putting the greater good ahead of their own financial loss. Even for those who won't miss out financially, I don't see them putting the greater good ahead of their own holiday.

irishbucsfan

Tomtom364 wrote: »

To be fair in the current Climate any tourists should be checking what the country they are entering are publishing on their own websites.
But then again any current tourists are unlikely to follow said direction anyways considering they are being pig headed enough to travel during a global pandemic anyways.

Again the flight I was in was 100% full on a Monday. People are travelling in numbers and I heard multiple discussions about people not putting it on social media lest they be “judged”

I’ve multiple friends who run restaurants and bars down there. Theyre serving Irish tourists every night.

irishbucsfan

sydthebeat wrote: »

IBF, was there any notification on tuned country that you came from that you had to self isolate for 14 days on entering Ireland?

Anecdotally I hearing that tourists coming into Ireland are only hearing about this on entering the country

Yes you are emailed by Ryanair in advance and the email is explicit and includes the form if you want to fill it out in advance. I guess maybe not everyone reads their emails