elefant wrote: » And this is exactly what would happen. A huge percentage of our university graduates would leave the country.
El Tarangu wrote: » As far as I know, recruitment into the Defence Forces is over-subscribed, so there does not seem much point in having conscription, in that case. I think that compulsory military service would be a great way to encourage our most successful graduates to leave the country in droves, much in the same way that military service in Greece has* *I don't have any figures for this, but live in a country with a large Greek population; most of the young men I know (whom Greece has spent a lot of money educating to a high level) are living abroad at so that they won't have to do their military service.
jonnny68 wrote: » Absolutely this should happen, a large percentage of youths nowadays have no respect for anything or anyone, dragged up scumbags who think they are entitled to anything with no morals or values, a stint in the army would instil manners into them,.
YellowBucket wrote: » Hmm, yeah teach the young hooligans to use guns. That’ll solve everything! The army isn’t a national baby sitting service for angsty teenagers and it’s already badly funded. It’s the proportionally the smallest in the EU and OECD. I think it’s insulting to the defence forces to ask them to do this. Why don’t you take them into your workplace for a year and provide them with on the job training?!
king_of_mayo wrote: » Fine, there's plenty who'll take their place from other countries. You'll ahve to do this before uni too. Don't want people skiving from the state, then running off when they have to do something for other people. If you go abroad to dodge it, you can never return without imprisonment.
LawBoy2018 wrote: » We don't need soldiers, hence why the reserves are paid peanuts. That's harsh but it's the reality.
elefant wrote: » Okay, as a thought experiment, let's just take all that as a given for now.Everyone with a solid career ahead of them and a good education behind them is incentivised to leave Ireland. Do you honestly still think this seems like a good idea?
MarkR wrote: » I think it's a great idea. Everyone should have to do something. Military would be good for discipline, but it should be spread out to roles in the community. Should be linked to some form of accreditation so that they have something tangible at the end.
OU812 wrote: » So, let me get this straight... You want to take the scumbags we have (a small proportion of the population, but they're there), toughen them up even more, arm them and train them how to use weapons more effectively???
pgj2015 wrote: » what you dont seem to understand is the army can change the young hooligans into disciplined men.
pgj2015 wrote: » why would they leave? is 1 year in the Irish army going to be so bad? its not like they are being trained as gladiators and have to fight each other to the death each week.
pgj2015 wrote: » that is like saying we don't need riot police because we hardly ever have riots, lets just get rid of them. all countries should have soldiers.
elefant wrote: » Okay, as a thought experiment, let's just take all that as a given for now. Everyone with a solid career ahead of them and a good education behind them is incentivised to leave Ireland. Do you honestly still think this seems like a good idea? And the idea of joining the army to 'do something for other people'? What a joke.
Strumms wrote: » Yes I don’t think that in a democracy, it’s very democratic if a percentage of its population is forced for a year of their lives into a job / situation that isn’t of their liking or choosing....
king_of_mayo wrote: » 1) It'll be some service to the state. General work, or hsopital or army. 2) Frankly I think if someone at age 17/18, wants to forgo their life here then fine. The rules are the rules. We could do with getting rid of the wasters. 3) We're giving a huge leg up to the young people. Think of all you'd learn in 3 years, then uni and life. Or you might find your calling and do a trade or whatever. You'll be housed, fed, paid and learn something. It's win win.
LawBoy2018 wrote: » No actually, it's not, at all. The very fact that there may be a riot is reason enough to have riot police. Why on earth would we ever need soldiers? To fight in all of those wars we're involved in? Lol.
Sardonicat wrote: » We could just pay our soldiers better. Make it an attractive career option that attracts the kind of person that doesn't require 'sorting out'. Why would you want gougers in our army?
elefant wrote: » People don't owe anything to the state.
pgj2015 wrote: » Look, we are lucky were were born in such a great country, Ireland is one of the best countries in the world to live in. if they cant give 1 year back then there is something wrong, also its not like they will be breaking rocks all day, they will be taught valuable life skills, discipline etc.
elefant wrote: » Why do people keep talking about national service like Irish people owe something to the state? What are you 'giving 1 year back' for?
king_of_mayo wrote: » With rights (benefits safety net, the protections of the law etc etc) come responsibility (do your service). Wasters have plenty of other countries to slink off to if they so want.
pgj2015 wrote: » free educations, child benefit, all the sports grounds, social welfare etc free houses. things like that maybe.
