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irishbucsfan

sydthebeat wrote: »

IBF, was there any notification on tuned country that you came from that you had to self isolate for 14 days on entering Ireland?

Anecdotally I hearing that tourists coming into Ireland are only hearing about this on entering the country

Yes you are emailed by Ryanair in advance and the email is explicit and includes the form if you want to fill it out in advance. I guess maybe not everyone reads their emails

Tomtom364

sydthebeat wrote: »

IBF, was there any notification on tuned country that you came from that you had to self isolate for 14 days on entering Ireland?

Anecdotally I hearing that tourists coming into Ireland are only hearing about this on entering the country

To be fair in the current Climate any tourists should be checking what the country they are entering are publishing on their own websites.
But then again any current tourists are unlikely to follow said direction anyways considering they are being pig headed enough to travel during a global pandemic anyways.

sydthebeat

IBF, was there any notification on tuned country that you came from that you had to self isolate for 14 days on entering Ireland?

Anecdotally I hearing that tourists coming into Ireland are only hearing about this on entering the country

Former Former

Deleted User wrote: »

I'm coming to the conclusion that winter is going to be pretty bad and I think we're going to be in lockdown for much of it.

Unless there is a genuine vaccine breakthrough that is an actual game changer I can't see schools staying open.

If we stick to the idea that any cough or fever means self-isolation for you and all your close contacts, the schools simply won't be able to manage.

We've been lucky that our first wave came after the flu season so there wasn't much overlapping between the two. That won't be the case come winter.

Winter cannot mean anything other than lockdown IMO.

irishbucsfan

I think the biggest issue is a massive lack of investment in giving people more outdoor recreational spaces and special licensing laws. Get people out socialising in safer outdoor surroundings. If it means closing main streets in towns and letting pubs serve to people sitting there then that’s a minuscule price to pay in comparison to the alternative.

That’s been the biggest difference I’ve noticed since I came back. Where I was in Portugal had almost no community cases bar one outbreak. That outbreak happened before they reopened at a private party. Since they reopened, just by the nature of everything being more geared to outdoor seating, the illegal parties mostly stopped and everything became safer. If you don’t give people somewhere to socialise safely, they’re far far more likely to do it dangerously than not at all.

I’d take a similar view to this green list. A complete waste of time. People will ignore the green list and they will ignore the self isolation on return. I have just returned from a country deemed not safe enough to make the green list, I have not been called once. I should have been physically checked on at random to make sure I am where I said I would be and it should be a criminal offense if I am not without good reason. They’re just losing legitimacy more and more as their approach becomes softer and softer.

[Deleted User]

I'm coming to the conclusion that winter is going to be pretty bad and I think we're going to be in lockdown for much of it.

Unless there is a genuine vaccine breakthrough that is an actual game changer I can't see schools staying open.

Dunney848

jacothelad wrote: »

Matt Handoncock, Health Scapegoat and amateur haemorrhoid was forced into making a Commons statement following Boris The Bewildered’s rather optimistic, "We'll all be home by Christmas" drivel. Pinnochio Blunder Bunter gave a Santa Claus press conference last week saying the UK would basically be back to normal in time for Christmas. Shades of 1914 as the fuhkwit's nose grows and grows with every stupid utterance. Presumably the technophobic scrote masquerading as prime minister still hasn’t got round to reading the report from the Academy of Medical Sciences that suggested the country could be facing a further 120,000 deaths over the course of the winter. It contains sentences that have more than three words in them. This throws the ruptured goat's testicle in No. 10 into blind panic until he gets the real P.M. Dominic Coming and Going to give him a happy ending by reading a chapter of Noddy and Big Ears to him just like Nanny used to do.
Matt Handjob looked defeated from the start as he tried to channel Mr Blooby's mindless optimism. The track-and-trace system was working brilliantly he lied because it had managed to track down 180,000 while missing an equal number of contacts. Realising that was the only even vaguely good news on offer, Handoncock tried to claim the early reported successes of the Oxford and Imperial vaccine trials as a triumph for the government, rather than for the scientists. “We have a plan and it is working,” he said, fooling no one but himself.

Matt Handjob? I think you missed your calling as tabloid headline creator. Genius

jacothelad

This has more infor on the race for a vaacine. It's interesting.

https://www.statnews.com/2020/07/20/study-provides-first-glimpse-of-efficacy-of-oxford-astrazeneca-covid-19-vaccine/?hConversionEventId=AQEAAZQF2gAmdjQwMDAwMDE3My03MWY0LWRmMTktYjQ4OS02MjE2M2VjNmE0YTbaACRlMjVjZGViMi02MWU3LTRlODgtMDAwMC0wMjFlZjNhMGJjYzbaACQ3M2U4NDAzMC1jOWNiLTRmNDUtYTM2Ny1kOWE2YjgzMmE5ZjWwReOthPUWz6heCccBsGNbWktoLU6Bl3KdgIEpwZbiMw

Clegg

Former Former wrote: »

Absolutely no chance of that and it's incredibly dangerous to think it's possible.

It's possible that there will be no new infections as a result of what we saw today. The problem is that people behaving like that won't be observing any other Covid restrictions either in any aspect of their lives. Every time someone goes out without a mask, or goes to the pub, or to a house party, the individual risk is small, but add it up for hundreds of thousands of people and suddenly the risk is huge.

We've become incredibly complacent about it and we're going to pay a price.

It would've been better to have said it's hopefully not amongst the public ilat that particular gathering. It's definitely still out there to some degree.

Former Former

Clegg wrote: »

I think you're right and I probably overreacted. AFAIK we haven't heard about any cases arising from the gatherings in Dame Lane or from the BLM protests a few months ago. Fingers crossed we've suppressed the virus to such a low level that it's not out there amongst the general population.

Absolutely no chance of that and it's incredibly dangerous to think it's possible.

It's possible that there will be no new infections as a result of what we saw today. The problem is that people behaving like that won't be observing any other Covid restrictions either in any aspect of their lives. Every time someone goes out without a mask, or goes to the pub, or to a house party, the individual risk is small, but add it up for hundreds of thousands of people and suddenly the risk is huge.

We've become incredibly complacent about it and we're going to pay a price.

sydthebeat

CatFromHue wrote: »

I think at this stage a mass gathering outside isn't much of a risk for transmission of the virus.

Indoors is a different story but outdoors not so much.

outside for say 30 mins... yeah not overtly risky....

outside with the same group for a few hours is a different story

Clegg

CatFromHue wrote: »

I think at this stage a mass gathering outside isn't much of a risk for transmission of the virus.

Indoors is a different story but outdoors not so much.

I think you're right and I probably overreacted. AFAIK we haven't heard about any cases arising from the gatherings in Dame Lane or from the BLM protests a few months ago. Fingers crossed we've suppressed the virus to such a low level that it's not out there amongst the general population.

CatFromHue

Clegg wrote: »

Hundreds (thousands?) of people have converged on the Walkinstown roundabout today for Jack Charlton's funeral. Like, he meant a lot to the people of Ireland, but have we completely forgotten about social distancing and the killer virus that's out there?

I think at this stage a mass gathering outside isn't much of a risk for transmission of the virus.

Indoors is a different story but outdoors not so much.

Former Former

Stheno wrote: »

Apparently it was one of the local pubs

Who in their right mind thought it was a good idea?

You've answered your own question there I'd say.

Stheno

thomond2006 wrote: »

Whoever organised that is a clown.

Apparently it was one of the local pubs

Who in their right mind thought it was a good idea?

Buer

thomond2006 wrote: »

Whoever organised that is a clown.

It's well attended so I think we can rule out the FAI.

kuang1

Jesus h Christ.

And yer man on the loudspeaker taunting the crowd with: "we can't hear you!".

So let's make this mass gathering of idiots shout and sing even louder to REALLY expel those droplets a good distance. Ffs.

Edit: And as we're at it. Fcuk you Tony O Donoghue for fanning the flames.

thomond2006

Whoever organised that is a clown.

Buer

Morons. It looks like a significant number of people there weren't even born during Italia '90.

Clegg

Hundreds (thousands?) of people have converged on the Walkinstown roundabout today for Jack Charlton's funeral. Like, he meant a lot to the people of Ireland, but have we completely forgotten about social distancing and the killer virus that's out there?

https://twitter.com/Corktod/status/1285538182793236486?s=19

jacothelad

Former Former wrote: »

Yes, they bought up a huge chunk of it.

TBH, remdesivir is no miracle cure, it certainly won't allow us to relax Covid restrictions even if it's freely available. SNG001 has encouraging results but again, it's no wonder drug - the headline results look good but the data is very close to being statisically insignificant. This might just be a result of the small numbers of patients in the trial, and this is the problem - we need time to run large, long studies to really establish treatment efficacy and the one thing we don't have is time.

I suspect that the real good news is the discovery that Covid stops or reduces the normal production of Interferon beta-1a and replacing it is possible. Yes, there is no magic bullet for Covid, rather there is an increasing number of minor tweaks to in-hospital treatments developed across the board that have improved outcomes quite a lot. In Texas for example, their range of treatments have reduced fatalities dramatically among the most vulnerable with a claimed 96% survivor rate. These additional drugs will further help. The big problem in the USA, Brazil etc is the utter stupidity of Trump and his crooked henchonanists. They enable the eruption of the spread of the virus and the cretins in the individual states seem too stupid to understand what is happening around them. Even BloJob and Handoncock aren't as terminally daft....well maybe not...but it's a close run thing.

Former Former

mfceiling wrote: »

Is the remdesivir drug the one that American basically bought the entire world's supply?

If and it's a big IF what are the chances of a pharmaceutical company being able to get enough of it to market to provide a worldwide amount?

Yes, they bought up a huge chunk of it.

TBH, remdesivir is no miracle cure, it certainly won't allow us to relax Covid restrictions even if it's freely available. SNG001 has encouraging results but again, it's no wonder drug - the headline results look good but the data is very close to being statisically insignificant. This might just be a result of the small numbers of patients in the trial, and this is the problem - we need time to run large, long studies to really establish treatment efficacy and the one thing we don't have is time.

mfceiling

Is the remdesivir drug the one that American basically bought the entire world's supply?

If and it's a big IF what are the chances of a pharmaceutical company being able to get enough of it to market to provide a worldwide amount?

molloyjh

jacothelad wrote: »

Matt Handoncock, Health Scapegoat and amateur haemorrhoid was forced into making a Commons statement following Boris The Bewildered’s rather optimistic, "We'll all be home by Christmas" drivel. Pinnochio Blunder Bunter gave a Santa Claus press conference last week saying the UK would basically be back to normal in time for Christmas. Shades of 1914 as the fuhkwit's nose grows and grows with every stupid utterance. Presumably the technophobic scrote masquerading as prime minister still hasn’t got round to reading the report from the Academy of Medical Sciences that suggested the country could be facing a further 120,000 deaths over the course of the winter. It contains sentences that have more than three words in them. This throws the ruptured goat's testicle in No. 10 into blind panic until he gets the real P.M. Dominic Coming and Going to give him a happy ending by reading a chapter of Noddy and Big Ears to him just like Nanny used to do.
Matt Handjob looked defeated from the start as he tried to channel Mr Blooby's mindless optimism. The track-and-trace system was working brilliantly he lied because it had managed to track down 180,000 while missing an equal number of contacts. Realising that was the only even vaguely good news on offer, Handoncock tried to claim the early reported successes of the Oxford and Imperial vaccine trials as a triumph for the government, rather than for the scientists. “We have a plan and it is working,” he said, fooling no one but himself.

My favourite to date Jaco. Pinochio Blunder Bunter is genius. If I could thank that more than once I would.

jacothelad

Possibly some better news.....a vaccine that shows promise in producing antibodies. Phase one human trials of a Covid-19 vaccine being developed by researchers at the University of Oxford suggest it triggers two types of immune response. Not only does the jab trigger the production of antibodies – proteins that can bind to the virus, preventing it from entering cells and flagging it to immune cells – but it also seems to result in the production of “killer” T cells – immune cells that attack infected human cells.

What about in the mean time? Treating those before a vaccine arrives.

Trials of an experimental drug inhaled by patients have found a significant reduction in hospital patients with Covid-19 needing to be put on a ventilator or dying from the disease, according to researchers
The drug, called SNG001, is delivered via an inhaler and is based on interferon beta, a protein produced naturally in the body that plays an important role in coordinating the body’s antiviral response.
Researchers have announced the results of an initial trial which found the odds of Covid-19 patients needing ventilation, or dying, while being treated in hospital were reduced by 79% among those given SNG001 compared with those given a placebo.
What is more, the team behind the trial say those given the drug were just over twice as likely to show “no limitation of activities” or “no clinical or virological evidence of infection” during the 16-day study period – in other words, the chance of recovery was boosted. Those given the drug also showed a reduction in breathlessness.
SNG001 is not the first drug to show promise in treating coronavirus patients: a cheap steroid called dexamethasone has previously been shown to reduce deaths in those requiring help with breathing, while the antiviral drug Remdesivir cuts recovery time.
While Remdesivir was thought to be focused on coronaviruses, SNG001 has a more general effect, meaning it may also benefit patients with winter viruses such as flu.

jacothelad

Former Former wrote: »

Panorama doing a show on the UK response in the early days of Covid. Absolutely terrifying, even in hindsight.

Matt Handoncock, Health Scapegoat and amateur haemorrhoid was forced into making a Commons statement following Boris The Bewildered’s rather optimistic, "We'll all be home by Christmas" drivel. Pinnochio Blunder Bunter gave a Santa Claus press conference last week saying the UK would basically be back to normal in time for Christmas. Shades of 1914 as the fuhkwit's nose grows and grows with every stupid utterance. Presumably the technophobic scrote masquerading as prime minister still hasn’t got round to reading the report from the Academy of Medical Sciences that suggested the country could be facing a further 120,000 deaths over the course of the winter. It contains sentences that have more than three words in them. This throws the ruptured goat's testicle in No. 10 into blind panic until he gets the real P.M. Dominic Coming and Going to give him a happy ending by reading a chapter of Noddy and Big Ears to him just like Nanny used to do.
Matt Handjob looked defeated from the start as he tried to channel Mr Blooby's mindless optimism. The track-and-trace system was working brilliantly he lied because it had managed to track down 180,000 while missing an equal number of contacts. Realising that was the only even vaguely good news on offer, Handoncock tried to claim the early reported successes of the Oxford and Imperial vaccine trials as a triumph for the government, rather than for the scientists. “We have a plan and it is working,” he said, fooling no one but himself.

jacothelad

Zzippy wrote: »

Mine is open, just sayin' . I also enjoy your increasingly inventive descriptions of your favourite politicians

Bazzo wrote: »

I also would be interested in subscribing to jaco news

Stheno wrote: »

Same here

Great but it isn't tender and loving.......:D:D

jacothelad

Former Former wrote: »

Panorama doing a show on the UK response in the early days of Covid. Absolutely terrifying, even in hindsight.

It will all be whitewashed by a poisonous, self-serving bunch of crooks backed up by millions of mouth breathers with the intellectual capacity of a ruptured maggot.

Neil3030

[Deleted User] wrote: »

He doesn't strike me as being in reality anymore. You can see he only tolerates good news from his handlers. Watching that clip reminded me of an old Twilight Zone episode where a six year old has godlike powers and can mind read and the entire world has to obey him. Anyone who stands up to him in anyway gets removed from existence. The Simpsons copied the episode for one of their Halloween episodes.

Trump is the six year old without the powers. He has over 6000 nuclear warheads however.

The nukes are thankfully not a major concern, since he has surely lost all credibility with high ranking Pentagon officials who would need to enact his orders. Look at the misfits he needed to round up to even go into Portland.

Former Former

Panorama doing a show on the UK response in the early days of Covid. Absolutely terrifying, even in hindsight.