FrancieBrady wrote: » Like I say...claim and counter claim. An organisation 'riddled' with informers doesn't tally with an organisation that was able to negotiate while still fully armed or one that was able to mount attacks in the heart of Britain to nudge them towards a deal. It will be many years before we know the truth. It will be immaterial then as it is now, the IRA are pursuing purely political avenues and that is a good thing.
Junkyard Tom wrote: » The PIRA were assassinating RUC/BA and blowing up British business districts well into the 1990's, somehow the informers couldn't get that info to their handlers.[in the 1990's] it was revealed, reportedly by Sir John Wilsey, the Army’s General Officer Commanding in Northern Ireland that “the PIRA is better equipped, better resourced, better led, bolder and more secure against our penetration than at any time before Journal International Journal of Intelligence and CounterIntelligence Volume 23, 2010 - Issue 1
Edgware wrote: » Then why did all these lads turn turk in the 80s when the Provos were riddled with informers. They realised that they had been led up the garden path by Adams and co and were destined to rot in Kesh for 20 years
Junkyard Tom wrote: » Yes, they were lured to the IRA with glossy brochures and promises of adventure and not by seeing their neighbours being beaten and murdered by the security forces. People who joined the Provos were told to expect death or jail, older Republicans often say they never expected to reach old age.
Edgware wrote: » You could say the same thing about the gullible young men and women who wasted years in Long Kesh and Armagh only to see Freddie, Donaldson and the rest live the good life paid for by MI5
FrancieBrady wrote: » I met many a squaddie going through checkpoints here, invariably decent young men but to a man, they were nervous, suspicious and hadn't a clue who to trust or what they were dropped into. With everyone of them you got the distinct impression they would rather be anywhere else on the planet than were they were. Any former members of the IRA I have met do not share the above traits and gullible would not be a word I would associate with them. They all knew very definitely what they were involved in and where they were. I would imagine the same could be said of loyalist recruits.
Junkyard Tom wrote: » Rob, don't fool yourself into believing that these people were your allies, they weren't. They would have spilled the blood of every soldier ye could have sent and spent every last sovereign in Her Majesty's Treasury to keep their rotten little sectarian statelet. I have a fair bit of sympathy for the regular British soldier, young working class lads sent to the north to fight a dirty war for that crowd, I'm sure if they'd known all the facts they'd have been wondering why they were sent there at all.
RobMc59 wrote: » Tom,the only marching I've ever done was military marching and whist is a card game.
downcow wrote: » Is that yes. Or is that another question?
Junkyard Tom wrote: » Sure. What for exactly?
downcow wrote: » Here junkyard, now you are back with us. Tell me. Do you support Northern Ireland’s right to self-determination?
Fionn1952 wrote: » Wait until someone tells Rob that sometimes words can have more than one meaning.
Junkyard Tom wrote: » Jaysus Rob has marching season gotten to you or what?
RobMc59 wrote: » I don`t play whist
BonnieSituation wrote: » Well, I never said any of those things. But you DID say that the crowd in Croke Park we're legitimate targets and that you condoned their killing. So maybe whist a bit before coming in here talking nonsense about my apparent "trolling".
RobMc59 wrote: » You`ve some front as it was you amongst others who thought it fine to murder innocent civilians who were working legitimately for the Crown.To say some deaths are worse than others is sickening and the epitome of hypocrisy.
BonnieSituation wrote: » What anti British threads are these? The Brexit thread? The UK response to Covid thread? The United Ireland thread? How are they anti British? How am I trolling? It's a bit rich for you to be accusing me of trolling when you had the audacity to come in here and condone State sanctioned murder of innocent people in Croke Park and give us the "woe is me" when called out on it. Not to mention your little strop yesterday with Fionn which all stemmed from you bring called out for your hypocrisy. You're some man.
BonnieSituation wrote: » No idea why I got dragged into this self determination strawman, but I guess to clear matters up for DC so he can move the goalposts again I probably should engage.
RobMc59 wrote: » You seem to flit in and out of the mainly anti British threads,with flippant one liners and your low level trolling,even getting mentioned by name for it...well done!...
BonnieSituation wrote: » In a shocking turn of events, Rob seems to get it.
FrancieBrady wrote: » Could somebody explain what it is downcow is getting at? Because he isn't doing a great job of it himself.
downcow wrote: » I had told fionn some time ago that I thought some would come on to rescue him with a carefully chosen form of words but not exactly what he was saying
