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Allow me to explain why the 'All Live Matter' hashtag is awful.

iamstop

If you are using the 'alllivesmatter' hashtag and don't know any better or are confused why people are mad at you let me explain it:
1. The original hashtag 'BlackLivesMatter' was a reaction to a string of well documented cases of police brutality that resulted in the death of a long list of unarmed black people. On top of that there was no appropriate punishment for the police officers involved. They mostly got paid or unpaid leave until the heat died down and continued back at their jobs after that. Meanwhile the families and friends of the deceased got no justice. This sends shockwaves of trauma throughout the immediate community, the country of the US and the rest of the black population outside of the US too. This original hashtag started to really shine a light of the system wide oppression of black people in America and elsewhere.
2. The oppressors decided that this hashtag would gather too much momentum and decided they needed to water it down and dilute it with 'alllivesmatter' to protect the racist system that they benefit from. And to some degree it's working (COINTELPRO). Every time you use that hashtag you are doing the work of the oppressor. You are being used as a pawn. You are being manipulated into diluting a movement that's main goal is end police brutality.
2a. Nobody using the 'BlackLivesMatter hashtag is saying Only Black Live Matter. It is universally understood that all lives matter.
3. So, now that you are educated on the deceitful and hateful and manipulative reasons for this 'alllivesmatter' hashtag to exist you should stop doing the work of the oppressor and stop using it and stop being used.
3a. If you've read all this and understand it and still use the 'alllivesmatter' hashtag then shame on you. You are a terrible human.

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Foxtrol

2u2me wrote: »

This article from BBC would disagree, quoting Sara McLanahan,professor of sociology at Princeton University, in the US, where she has overseen the "Fragile Families and Child Wellbeing Study."

https://www.bbc.com/news/education-47057787

What does that link have to do with my point?

Mad_maxx

Foxtrol wrote: »

Correlation isn't causation.

If anything the evidence points to the opposite that you are implying. It isn't race that causes single parent households, it is poverty. Look at Dublin, where are there more single parents - Tallaght or D4?

even tallaght is far wealthier today than the vast majority of ireland was in 1970 , the percentage of single parent households in 1970 was a fraction of what it is today , in tallaght or anywhere else

2u2me

Foxtrol wrote: »

Correlation isn't causation.

If anything the evidence points to the opposite that you are implying. It isn't race that causes single parent households, it is poverty. Look at Dublin, where are there more single parents - Tallaght or D4?

This article from BBC would disagree, quoting Sara McLanahan,professor of sociology at Princeton University, in the US, where she has overseen the "Fragile Families and Child Wellbeing Study."

In this research, even allowing for economic disadvantage, Prof McLanahan said, data began to show the impact of instability on a child's life.
Those whose parents had divorced were more likely to fail to progress at school.

Children who were in what the researchers characterised as a "fragile family", where parents were cohabiting or there was a lone parent, were twice as likely not to graduate from high school.

Prof McLanahan said the data showed that even a child in a stable single-parent household was likely to do worse on some measures than a child of a married couple.

"Having two adults who co-operate to raise the child, who give time and money, means there are just more resources than one doing it," she said.

[...]
"There is still a difference between the outcomes of children born to single-parent households, versus married or cohabiting, even when you taken into account they tend to be from poorer homes."

https://www.bbc.com/news/education-47057787

Foxtrol

Eric Cartman wrote: »

Its fathers .

In the US an average of 35% of kids grow up in single parent households.

Among asians the single parent rate is 16%
Among whites its 24%

Among blacks its 67%

https://datacenter.kidscount.org/data/tables/107-children-in-single-parent-families-by-race#detailed/1/any/false/37,871,870,573,869,36,868,867,133,38/10,11,9,12,1,185,13/432,431

The single largest cultural issue that has a direct correlation to widespread poverty in communities is a lack of fathers and positive male role models for that community.

I dont know how to solve this and why black dads just aren't sticking around less than half as much as white ones Or less than 1/4 as much as asian ones but it should be the priority to solve.

Correlation isn't causation.

If anything the evidence points to the opposite that you are implying. It isn't race that causes single parent households, it is poverty. Look at Dublin, where are there more single parents - Tallaght or D4?

Cupatae

mrkiscool2 wrote: »

Thats nonsense. Why are these high crime communities mostly black? Why are the relatively safe Chicago neighbourhoods mostly white? Its because of everything I mentioned above. The lack of access to good primary and secondary education. The lack of good social programmes or hell, even a good social safety net. The lack of culture and the dilapidated placed they live because they or their families can't afford to live anywhere else. All of that is enough for gangs to entice young men to become gang members and either be murdered or jail for the promise of riches they will probably never see.

Crime doesn't just happen..it takes massive inaction for it to happen at that scale.

Utter nonsense

ELM327

AbusesToilets wrote: »

Democrat too. There's a strong trend of urban areas with high crime rates being in majority Democrat districts.

Folks like to criticize white communities for seeking to avoid or escape from Integrated neighborhoods, but fail to grasp that when your wealth is directly tied to property value, they are being put in a position where their financial interests are being threatened. Tied to that, you have school districts which are funded from property taxes, and it's a recipe for disaster. Who would want to stay in a situation where you're losing money because new neighbours moved in?

Of course it is.
The democrats are routinely on the wrong side of history. Be it as the propagators of slavery, the killers of Lincoln, segregation in the south, etc.
And they will be shown to be on the wrong side of this too, when the history is written

Cordell

Eric Cartman wrote: »

I dont know how to solve this and why black dads just aren't sticking around less than half as much as white ones Or less than 1/4 as much as asian ones but it should be the priority to solve.

First step will be to acknowledge it as being a more serious problem than systemic racism and police brutality. Good luck with that.

AbusesToilets

DelaneyIn wrote: »

It’s a majority black ran and populated city. Hard to blame whitey on all its issues.

The majority of Chicago’s politicians, police and residents are black.

Democrat too. There's a strong trend of urban areas with high crime rates being in majority Democrat districts.

Folks like to criticize white communities for seeking to avoid or escape from Integrated neighborhoods, but fail to grasp that when your wealth is directly tied to property value, they are being put in a position where their financial interests are being threatened. Tied to that, you have school districts which are funded from property taxes, and it's a recipe for disaster. Who would want to stay in a situation where you're losing money because new neighbours moved in?

BattleCorp

Danzy wrote: »

One of the biggest legacies of BLM will be the wiping out of a generation of black owned businesses and service providers in black communities.

The economic damage of that will take 20 years to recover from.

And in 20 years the place will be an even bigger sh1t hole.

Danzy

BattleCorp wrote: »

Ah yeah, that'll happen if you keep rioting and burning down the place.

One of the biggest legacies of BLM will be the wiping out of a generation of black owned businesses and service providers in black communities.

The economic damage of that will take 20 years to recover from.

kildare lad

Danzy wrote: »

Chicago has problems but the key difference is that the culture and values of the African American community are so toxic and self destructive.

.

You'd wonder wats the excuse they have, for a lot of the black teenagers running amok in certain parts of Ireland over the last few years ? They're the only race I know of that glorifies drug dealing , crime, pimping , violence , bitches in their music . And yet they'll blame whitey for all their problems

BattleCorp

mrkiscool2 wrote: »

Parts of Chicago are so neglected they genuinely look like parts of war torn countries.

Ah yeah, that'll happen if you keep rioting and burning down the place.

[Deleted User]

Eric Cartman wrote: »

I dont know how to solve this and why black dads just aren't sticking around less than half as much as white ones Or less than 1/4 as much as asian ones but it should be the priority to solve.

It would be interesting to see such research broken down further with Black and AA groups being separated.. I did some searches but all the research i found lumped them together.

As for how to resolve it, I dunno either although I suspect the lack of respect shown each other is a major part of it. A lot of America Black culture is quite.... expressive in gestures and language, with people behaving in a more energetic manner than many other racial groups (yup, I'm trying to word it nicely). In many areas of Black culture, the idea of playing around is held in high esteem.

I'd say if they really wanted to lower the rates of single mothers/fathers, then they would be considering how to respect each other more... Not calling each other b*t*h, or N*gg** would likely be a good step... although there are many other behavioral norms which could be altered to encourage better relationships.

"During the 1960-2016 period, the percentage of children living with only their mother nearly tripled from 8 to 23 percent and the percentage of children living with only their father increased from 1 to 4 percent. "

Eric Cartman

Danzy wrote: »

Poverty is not confined to one group, urban mismanagement, failed educational systems etc also.

Its fathers .

In the US an average of 35% of kids grow up in single parent households.

Among asians the single parent rate is 16%
Among whites its 24%

Among blacks its 67%

https://datacenter.kidscount.org/data/tables/107-children-in-single-parent-families-by-race#detailed/1/any/false/37,871,870,573,869,36,868,867,133,38/10,11,9,12,1,185,13/432,431

The single largest cultural issue that has a direct correlation to widespread poverty in communities is a lack of fathers and positive male role models for that community.

I dont know how to solve this and why black dads just aren't sticking around less than half as much as white ones Or less than 1/4 as much as asian ones but it should be the priority to solve.

Yellow_Fern

mrkiscool2 wrote: »

Thats nonsense. Why are these high crime communities mostly black? Why are the relatively safe Chicago neighbourhoods mostly white? Its because of everything I mentioned above. The lack of access to good primary and secondary education. The lack of good social programmes or hell, even a good social safety net. The lack of culture and the dilapidated placed they live because they or their families can't afford to live anywhere else. All of that is enough for gangs to entice young men to become gang members and either be murdered or jail for the promise of riches they will probably never see.

Crime doesn't just happen..it takes massive inaction for it to happen at that scale.

There is some evidence that social outreach programmes make things worse. eg. the Cambridge-Somerville Youth Study. Not sure to be honest.

Quantum Erasure

1800_Ladladlad wrote: »

Im sorry, but how can anyone have faith in Mayor Lightfoot after this sh*te. the urban metropolis of Chicago is hardly well known for its cowboys or culture....

Gotham wasn't known for its bat-men, until it was...

Yamanoto

mrkiscool2 wrote: »

Thats nonsense. Why are these high crime communities mostly black? Why are the relatively safe Chicago neighbourhoods mostly white? Its because of everything I mentioned above. The lack of access to good primary and secondary education. The lack of good social programmes or hell, even a good social safety net. The lack of culture and the dilapidated placed they live because they or their families can't afford to live anywhere else. All of that is enough for gangs to entice young men to become gang members and either be murdered or jail for the promise of riches they will probably never see.

Crime doesn't just happen..it takes massive inaction for it to happen at that scale.

There's also an incontrovertible link between African American family structures, poor educational outcomes and crime.

Chronic neglect at an official level is often highlighted by academics, NGO's and media (rightly so). What you don't tend to hear is the fact that cultural aspects particular to the Black community serve to compound their problems and render the fix inordinately more complex than throwing money into Sunday schools and community boxing clubs.

Danzy

mrkiscool2 wrote: »

Thats nonsense. Why are these high crime communities mostly black? Why are the relatively safe Chicago neighbourhoods mostly white? Its because of everything I mentioned above. The lack of access to good primary and secondary education. The lack of good social programmes or hell, even a good social safety net. The lack of culture and the dilapidated placed they live because they or their families can't afford to live anywhere else. All of that is enough for gangs to entice young men to become gang members and either be murdered or jail for the promise of riches they will probably never see.

Crime doesn't just happen..it takes massive inaction for it to happen at that scale.

Poverty is not confined to one group, urban mismanagement, failed educational systems etc also.

mrkiscool2

Danzy wrote: »

Chicago has problems but the key difference is that the culture and values of the African American community are so toxic and self destructive.

Thats nonsense. Why are these high crime communities mostly black? Why are the relatively safe Chicago neighbourhoods mostly white? Its because of everything I mentioned above. The lack of access to good primary and secondary education. The lack of good social programmes or hell, even a good social safety net. The lack of culture and the dilapidated placed they live because they or their families can't afford to live anywhere else. All of that is enough for gangs to entice young men to become gang members and either be murdered or jail for the promise of riches they will probably never see.

Crime doesn't just happen..it takes massive inaction for it to happen at that scale.

Danzy

mrkiscool2 wrote: »

Ah, yes. Because Chicago is a bastion of good social programs, good education, culture and amazing urban renewal. Parts of Chicago are so neglected they genuinely look like parts of war torn countries. What.a lot of activists are looking for in addition to less force by police officers are better education systems, a fairer spread of taxpayer money towards education, social programs and rejuvenation of the "ghettos" of the city.

Chicago has problems but the key difference is that the culture and values of the African American community are so toxic and self destructive.

DelaneyIn

mrkiscool2 wrote: »

Ah, yes. Because Chicago is a bastion of good social programs, good education, culture and amazing urban renewal. Parts of Chicago are so neglected they genuinely look like parts of war torn countries. What.a lot of activists are looking for in addition to less force by police officers are better education systems, a fairer spread of taxpayer money towards education, social programs and rejuvenation of the "ghettos" of the city.

It’s a majority black ran and populated city. Hard to blame whitey on all its issues.

The majority of Chicago’s politicians, police and residents are black.

mrkiscool2

Danzy wrote: »

Known world wide for its gun fights.

It's often pointed out but not appreciated by all how violent Black Chicagoans communities are.

Near same rate of population as Cork County but heading for 700 shot dead this year and near 5000 Injured by shots.

It's at such a scale that their should be armed National Guards in every corner block.

It would save countless lives but in the very nice suburbs where the activists live the outrage would be enormous.

Ah, yes. Because Chicago is a bastion of good social programs, good education, culture and amazing urban renewal. Parts of Chicago are so neglected they genuinely look like parts of war torn countries. What.a lot of activists are looking for in addition to less force by police officers are better education systems, a fairer spread of taxpayer money towards education, social programs and rejuvenation of the "ghettos" of the city.

Danzy

1800_Ladladlad wrote: »

Im sorry, but how can anyone have faith in Mayor Lightfoot after this sh*te. the urban metropolis of Chicago is hardly well known for its cowboys or culture. It's hardly a shout out to their slaughter yards which makes no sense. and where the f*ck is batman, when is that batman going appear ......

https://twitter.com/BethLynch2020/status/1282782087666438144

Known world wide for its gun fights.

It's often pointed out but not appreciated by all how violent Black Chicagoans communities are.

Near same rate of population as Cork County but heading for 700 shot dead this year and near 5000 Injured by shots.

It's at such a scale that their should be armed National Guards in every corner block.

It would save countless lives but in the very nice suburbs where the activists live the outrage would be enormous.

Eric Cartman

BarbBrooklyn wrote: »

While I can't explain it as eloquently as others have, here's a simpler one... when you hear someone say "Save the rainforest", do you think they mean "**** all of the other trees"? When you see a bumper sticker that says "watch for motorcycles", do you think they mean "ignore everything else on the road"?

yeah...except the people claiming 'save the rainforest' rarely go around burning flowerbeds or stealing Christmas trees to make their point.

BarbBrooklyn

While I can't explain it as eloquently as others have, here's a simpler one... when you hear someone say "Save the rainforest", do you think they mean "**** all of the other trees"? When you see a bumper sticker that says "watch for motorcycles", do you think they mean "ignore everything else on the road"?

1800_Ladladlad

Im sorry, but how can anyone have faith in Mayor Lightfoot after this sh*te. the urban metropolis of Chicago is hardly well known for its cowboys or culture. It's hardly a shout out to their slaughter yards which makes no sense. and where the f*ck is batman, when is that batman going appear ......

https://twitter.com/BethLynch2020/status/1282782087666438144

1800_Ladladlad

iamstop wrote: »

Cornelius Fredericks.

Black Live Matter.

It's disturbing that a 16 y/o life can be snuffed out and be treated in the way he was for throwing a sandwich. Dirtbag.

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Heather Newton McLogan, 48: charged with one count of involuntary manslaughter and one count of second-degree child abuse. & Michael Joshua Mosley, 47: charged with one count of involuntary manslaughter and two counts of second-degree child abuse.

Zachary Solis: charged with involuntary manslaughter and child abuse charges

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Source & Source

iamstop

Cornelius Fredericks.

Black Live Matter.

[Deleted User]

I had the same experience when I was in California a couple of months before Trump was elected. Everyone would ask what were people on this side of the water thinking about it all. I said we all thought it was hilarious that he was running

I did ask was there others they could vote for and was told there was but it would be a wasted vote. Don’t they realise that change doesn’t happen overnight? It’s a strange setup that’s for sure.

mick087

All Live Matter would be a more real statement to be making about racism, equality in jobs education health and social injustices. Making the case for one particular race will only make a bigger issue.
All people of all races and religions need to stand together then you will get equality.
The oldest trick in the book is to have brother fighting brother.