SouthWesterly wrote: » Couldn't remember who posted it and hadn't time to scroll back looking. As for wandering in. Ive been doing so since fairly early in the thread. Honestly , it's the same old rhetoric rehashed. I'm not sure if it has a purpose without the Christians wandering in. No one here can disprove God and always put it back on the believer to prove Him. I have my experience of Him. You don't and therefore He's not real to you or any other atheist. Lack of experience is not proof of non existence, it's just lack of experience. Same can be said for pink unicorns, though I'm not sure anyone here has experienced them so not sure what the fascination is with them. As for not replying to your post. There are other posts I didn't reply to either. Ive limited time so you're not special in not being responded to.
one world order wrote: » The bible warns us this world is controlled by the devil and there is a spiritual realm that we can’t see or physically touch, which is why we need God’s word to protect us from the devil and his demons. In today’s world we see that it is controlled by the Devil and we have been programmed by media and film since we were born that God does not exist. A lot of people are too caught up with the world and don’t realise they are being deceived and lead astray. Those that control the Bank of International Settlements and privately owned US Federal Reserve are part of the luciferian worshipping illuminati that control this world. We see the misery they inflict on the world and their roots extend out to large media corporations, financial institutions, governments, Hollywood and the music industry. For atheists this is a hard pill to swallow. Their perception of reality since they were born is based on a lie. They scream conspiracy, hate Jesus Christ and try to ban people that speak the truth. This is why the bible is so important. It is God’s word and allows Christians to be in the world but not of the world.
Bannasidhe wrote: » An afterlife would be nice. Winning the lotto would also be nice. I'm not gambling on either.
smacl wrote: » I love the richness and complexity of different traditions, belief systems and mythologies but also believe that there's more to something being possibly true than wanting it to be true. A bit sad maybe, but there you go. I find that the notion of an afterlife leads some people to waste the one life they definitely do have. They live like they're playing a game of space invaders with more lives left if they wipe out without realising they're already on their last guy
karlitob wrote: » So you’re agnostic about - Haile Selassie, the Emperor of Ethiopia between 1930 and 1974, as the Second Coming of Christ (Rastafarianism) - wanka tankan - Zeus - xenu - Odin - Bacchus
jaxxx wrote: » F*ck that sideways and backwards. Living once is enough tyvm! A bible that was written by people men with agendas.. .. .. Sure, you cling onto "god's word" when god had sweet f*ck all to do with it.
karlitob wrote: » How dare you! I’m a fervent believer in pink unicorns. If you have never experienced the love and wonder of a relationship with Pinky - the overlord of the pink unicorns - then I pity you. But don’t you dare tell me that my belief in pink unicorns is less than your belief in your god just because you’re not sure others have experienced them. I don’t need you to validate my faith in the existence of the one true god - pinky. All hail pinky. Fun fact. Pinky is the product of a Virgin birth of red unicorn and white unicorn.
nthclare wrote: » I hear you and I think similarly. But I love the idea of moving on to another existence, because I love life, different experiences and cultures. Love the land,ocean and cosmos and I like the fantasy of different realms and dimensions and the sidhe Fairy Folk etc I suppose God's to me are archetypes rather than real and I see how they've evolved in people's psyche and consciences... It's very interesting, even the DC and Marvel characters are like god's in their own right. Who's to say God's weren't superheroes of the old ? Some had a sad ending others had a more heroic ending... I can see how religion and mythology is so interesting, and to this day it's still popular.
nthclare wrote: » I'm an agnostic, and no I'm not a God.
karlitob wrote: » Why do you find atheism so hard to understand. YOU are an atheist - you don’t believe in the existence of other gods. You’ve yet to acknowledge this point. It shouldn’t be too difficult to grasp that atheist just don’t believe in the existence of one more god than you.
nthclare wrote: » Ah come on now, it wasn't so long ago when Atheism Ireland were trying to get together on a Sunday and have a secular gathering. In a day of the Sabbath too. Atheism seems to get mixed up in education, politics, sexuality debates, scientific evidence of whether there's a diety or dietys etc Maybe someday science will catch up with how people claim there's more to life than this realm. Until then it's in limbo. We've been programmed to think that there's more to life than this plane of existence. Ye are welcome to plagiarise scientists or send on links to provide evidence that there's nothing but the here and now.
smacl wrote: » I don't believe in the tooth fairy, the healing powers of crystals or Jedi mind force either. In fact there's a massive volume of superstitious, supernatural and nonsensical stuff that some people believe in that I don't and I'm guessing you don't either. This isn't a 'tenet of atheism', were such a thing to exist, it is a consequence of not believing wildly absurd assertions that are entirely unsupported by any sound evidence. At the same time I have many strongly held philosophical, political and personal leanings, but these have nothing to do with atheism. For example, as a secularist I believe in freedom of and from religious expression. I also believe we should promote and expand human rights both locally and internationally. Politically, according to a questionnaire on boards some years back, I'm a left leaning liberal. None of these are 'tenets of atheism' as they are not commonly held by all atheists. The only thing all atheists have in common is that they don't believe in a god or gods. As already stated to you by numerous posters here, a lack of a belief is not a tenet.
smacl wrote: » The only thing all atheists have in common is that they don't believe in a god or gods. As already stated to you by numerous posters here, a lack of a belief is not a tenet.
SouthWesterly wrote: » A tenet according to Cambridge is the principles on which a belief or theory is based: You don't believe in God, fine. You have a reason for that I assume, a belief upon which that's based. To say you have none of the above is baloney.
nozzferrahhtoo wrote: » Assuming for a small moment you are talking about me (apologies if you are not, but since you decided to simply ignore my post to you it is hard to tell), you have made a disingenuous misrepresentation of what I asked. I did not ask "Why do theists wander in here" I asked "Why do theists wander in here and do X". There is a huge difference between asking why theists wander in to do a particular thing..... and asking why they wander in AT ALL. I did the former. For good reason. You are pretending I did the latter. And I never would because theists are VERY welcome here in my view. By your fruits you shall know them indeed. If this is how Christians act, you can keep your religion thanks.
SouthWesterly wrote: » Someone asked why the theists wander in here. The same could be asked why the atheists wander into the Christianity forum.
smacl wrote: » Which tenets are you talking about here? That atheists don't believe in a god or gods is not a tenet, it is no more nor less than the dictionary definition of the word atheist. That there are degrees of atheism and theism is also obvious and hardly construes a tenet of belief. If you ask someone if they believe in god, you'll gets as many saying 'kind of', 'sometimes' and 'not really' as yes or no. Been done to death on this forum already over many years, I suggest having a gander at the origin of specious nonsense thread is you'd like to review the numerous arguments and counter arguments. Alternatively, nip over to Wikipedia and see what they say about Intelligent Design. Without wanting to spoil it for you too much, suffice to say that unlike the theory of evolution, ID is pseudo-scientific bunk.
SouthWesterly wrote: » I have to say, I'm very impressed that you have the tenets of your belief system so well mapped out. Where do you fall into this?
There enough evidence to support intelligent design for those who are happy to believe that evidence. Those who don't believe we evolved from a primordial soup. Ive yet to see the evidence to support it. It's all hypothesis and supposition. Indeed much supports the nonsense of evolution but thats another thread. Evolution/ atheism is as much a religion as creationism / theism and requires s certain amount of faith.
nthclare wrote: » We've been programmed to think that there's more to life than this plane of existence.
Agent detection is the inclination for animals, including humans, to presume the purposeful intervention of a sentient or intelligent agent in situations that may or may not involve one.
SouthWesterly wrote: » I have to say, I'm very impressed that you have the tenets of your belief system so well mapped out. Where do you fall into this? There enough evidence to support intelligent design for those who are happy to believe that evidence. Those who don't believe we evolved from a primordial soup. Ive yet to see the evidence to support it. It's all hypothesis and supposition. Indeed much supports the nonsense of evolution but thats another thread. Evolution/ atheism is as much a religion as creationism / theism and requires s certain amount of faith.
smacl wrote: » Sorry, but that is flawed logic. If I say that "I don't believe God exists" what that means is that I have no reason to believe that god exists, there being no substantive or strong evidence to support such an assertion, but in the highly unlikely case that such evidence presents itself I will change my position. Note that you can substitute any piece of mythology, pseudoscience or random unevidenced fantasy for God in this argument and it remains the same. The difference between saying "I don't believe God exists" and "I believe God doesn't exist" is more than just semantic. The former is not a statement of belief, the latter is. For following well worn chart illustrates this, where my position above is one of moderate atheism
Hotblack Desiato wrote: » It's very reminiscent of the posters who try to prove that atheism is really just another religion, or that atheists are just believers in denial or going through a very extended teenage rebellious phase... :rolleyes: or will convert if they find themselves in a foxhole, or on their deathbed :rolleyes::rolleyes: Needless to say, all of this has been heard here before hundreds of times, and is still as entirely unconvincing as it ever was... but theists do say "God loves a trier"...!
Bannasidhe wrote: » What exactly are you trying to achieve with this frankly schoolyard tactic of word twisting and semantics crushing? Do you think this is some amazing Gotcha moment and people here will think gosh, I never thought of it like that - my lack of belief is a belief therefore I believe and if I believe I must believe in the existence of God? It isn't.
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