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Eamon Ryan had to be woken up today during a Dail session.

https://amp.independent.ie/videos/irish-news/green-party-leader-eamon-ryan-caught-sleeping-during-dail-vote-39374326.html?__twitter_impression=true

Farce or a serious reflection on this new minister?

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James Brown

They get a lot of side votes because we think they mean well. Then they get in as a junior and fall asleep only waking to vote down discussion on a livable wage and a right to collective bargaining.
They will deservedly be wiped out next election with a bit of luck, sadly bringing any genuine climate change policies with them.

ronivek

Bowie wrote: »

They get a lot of side votes because we think they mean well. Then they get in as a junior and fall asleep only waking to vote down discussion on a livable wage and a right to collective bargaining.

You could at least put a little effort into trying to be factual:

He didn't 'vote down discussion'; the debate on this motion was the day before.
The Government's amendment, which Eamon Ryan voted in favour of, contains the following commitment to a living wage: "endorses the commitment within the Programme for Government to move to a living wage over the lifetime of the Government as part of the development of a new social contract between citizens and the State"
In terms of collective bargaining I assume you're talking about the High Court decision on the Industrial Relations (Amendment) Act 2015; on which the Government reiterated: "the Tánaiste and Minister for Business, Enterprise and Innovation is appealing the High Court ruling that Chapter Three of the Industrial Relations (Amendment) Act 2015 is unconstitutional"

I mean if you just have a problem with anyone falling asleep at any time during their scheduled working hours for any reason then simply say so; you shouldn't need to lie to try and somehow make your point seem more valid.

Mysterypunter

Bowie wrote: »

They get a lot of side votes because we think they mean well. Then they get in as a junior and fall asleep only waking to vote down discussion on a livable wage and a right to collective bargaining.
They will deservedly be wiped out next election with a bit of luck, sadly bringing any genuine climate change policies with them.

They don't have many genuine policies, mon is a bandwaggoner, he wants to increase the use of bicycles because he flogs them for a living

James Brown

ronivek wrote: »

You could at least put a little effort into trying to be factual:
He didn't 'vote down discussion'; the debate on this motion was the day before.

The Government's amendment, which Eamon Ryan voted in favour of, contains the following commitment to a living wage: "endorses the commitment within the Programme for Government to move to a living wage over the lifetime of the Government as part of the development of a new social contract between citizens and the State"

In terms of collective bargaining I assume you're talking about the High Court decision on the Industrial Relations (Amendment) Act 2015; on which the Government reiterated: "the Tánaiste and Minister for Business, Enterprise and Innovation is appealing the High Court ruling that Chapter Three of the Industrial Relations (Amendment) Act 2015 is unconstitutional"

I mean if you just have a problem with anyone falling asleep at any time during their scheduled working hours for any reason then simply say so; you shouldn't need to lie to try and somehow make your point seem more valid.

That's what I read about it. You went into more spin. They didn't push for it did they? 'Vote down discussion' 'kick the can down the road' take your pick. Also how would Eamo know? He was asleep.

Soc Dem TD Gary Gannon hit out at Ryan and the government for their position.

"This was a missed opportunity by the Government to lay down a marker for how it intends to treat workers in Ireland during its term in office. The Government amendment to our motion only paid lip service to workers’ rights and made no reference to specific issues such as collective bargaining or the right to representation," Gannon said.
https://www.joe.ie/politics/eamon-ryan-appears-fall-asleep-dail-vote-woken-700211

I've a problem with the leader of a party in a coalition government barely a wet week in office falling asleep while the issue is discussed and then waking long enough to vote. If it was pointless what was he voting for? Again, don't ask Eamo, he was asleep.
So I don't have an issue with 'anyone' falling asleep, I have an issue with Eamo. It's likely far from the worst that we can expect but it's a pretty low bar to try pass it off as nothing or incidental.

Shefwedfan

Bowie wrote: »

That's what I read about it. You went into more spin. They didn't push for it did they? 'Vote down discussion' 'kick the can down the road' take your pick. Also how would Eamo know? He was asleep.

I've a problem with the leader of a party in a coalition government barely a wet week in office falling asleep while the issue is discussed and then waking long enough to vote. If it was pointless what was he voting for? Again, don't ask Eamo, he was asleep.
So I don't have an issue with 'anyone' falling asleep, I have an issue with Eamo. It's likely far from the worst that we can expect but it's a pretty low bar to try pass it off as nothing or incidental.

If you had the same standard for all politicians your points might be worth responding to but you don’t. It’s a case of SF = good , FF/FGGreens = terrible, everyone else bad

You spent your life on here complaining about how terrible the politicians are but then ignore any discussion about SF.

So your posts are irrelevant. As I said before many many moons ago, show me a balanced post from yourself, yet to see a single one.

Even on the Apple case, the one ruling SF based on their policies around Europe should support, they don’t, of course your spinning the same story.

You ever going to give us your opinion or continue with spin from SF in every single post?

[Deleted User]

So many angry people on the internet these days , is it because of Covid frustration or something??

Really , just step back and look at yourselves , get perspective, you will look back on these posts in 6 months and cringe. Is life really all about this now ? Throwing insults, raging, fuming, being outraged .........because a man fell asleep for a few minutes ?

Nobody died here. He fell asleep on the most humid day of the year so far, he didn’t do it deliberately. It’s called being human.

If you don’t agree with Green policies that’s a different issue. And a different argument. Eamonn Ryan didn’t hurt anyone, he didn’t offend anyone .
I’d say his day starts before 6am , so does mine. Many days, especially in this last week I’ve almost fallen asleep in work by early afternoon , only I don’t have a comfy chair !

If you think it’s a disgrace and you could all do better and solve all the issues in this country right now, including huge environmental penalties (Green issues) coming down the tracks , then put yourself forward for local election next time. See how easy it is then . (And make sure to donate half your salary and your expenses to charity !!)

seligehgit

Deleted User wrote: »

So many angry people on the internet these days , is it because of Covid frustration or something??

Really , just step back and look at yourselves , get perspective, you will look back on these posts in 6 months and cringe. Is life really all about this now ? Throwing insults, raging, fuming, being outraged .........because a man fell asleep for a few minutes ?

Nobody died here. He fell asleep on the most humid day of the year so far, he didn’t do it deliberately. It’s called being human.

If you don’t agree with Green policies that’s a different issue. And a different argument. Eamonn Ryan didn’t hurt anyone, he didn’t offend anyone .
I’d say his day starts before 6am , so does mine. Many days, especially in this last week I’ve almost fallen asleep in work by early afternoon , only I don’t have a comfy chair !

If you think it’s a disgrace and you could all do better and solve all the issues in this country right now, including huge environmental penalties (Green issues). coming down the tracks , then out yourself forward for local election next time. See how easy it is then . (And make sure to donate half your salary and your expenses to charity !!)

Well said.As I said initially the optics were'nt great but it's hardly a hanging offence.

Eamon Ryan has always struck me as an inherently decent man and I say that as somebody for whom large parts of the Green party agenda are the anathema to me.

This episode will be a negligible factor in the leadership contest which I think he will still win.

Shefwedfan

Mysterypunter wrote: »

See them 2 ****ing gombeens today, it's like a comedy sketch, not a funny one though. Pubs pubs pubs, only coz they own half of Kerry and are losing money, wouldn't you think the hungry bastards have enough.

To be fair to them they just put themselves forward

Its the people voting them in that need to answer questions

Ush1

Bowie wrote: »

I hope someone pokes him to tell him.

No worries, many of these low paid workers are on welfare too, (subsidised rent and the like). The magic money tree of the tax payer picks up the slack so these people can pay lower wages and make more profit. Grand sure.

This is some odd logic, private businesses pay tax so the government can give out subsidies. Even if what you were saying was true, that's yet another example of government intervention having a negative outcome. Nothing to do with "more profits".

Shefwedfan

Ush1 wrote: »

This is some odd logic, private businesses pay tax so the government can give out subsidies. Even if what you were saying was true, that's yet another example of government intervention having a negative outcome. Nothing to do with "more profits".

It’s not true, it’s more SF lies

Rodney Bathgate

It is amusing to see a rabid SF supporter talk about a ‘magic money tree’, given that it is the foundation for many of SFs policies.

Rodney Bathgate

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Its a fair ould money tree that we can appoint 30 odd ministers/junior ministers

Any party/person running on a platform of wanting to limit these under law will have my vote next time.....country going down tubes and 1 in 3 government TDs a minister,in no world is this right

Any party? Even the Irish Freedom party?

Ush1

[Deleted User] wrote: »

What deos family income supplement amount to,only a subsidy due to sh1t wages?

This is somewhat relevent since eamonn ryan had to woken so he could vote down a bill on living wages??

Green party = anti living wage??

I don't understand what you're saying. A blanket minimum wage serves inflation. It's a big reason why things become more expensive and people require income supplements.

gifted

There's a good chance that Ryan isn't losing too much sleep over his dail sleep.

padser

[Deleted User] wrote: »

1 in 3 government TDs being ministers,is too much and not one politian has raised this issue for what it is,gouging taxpayers on expenses and pensions,esp since a reshuffle written in to programme for government to occur

Just so I'm sure you realise this.

TDs who are ministers actually run the country, department by department - decision by decision, day in day out.

TDs who are not ministers are essentially glorified commentators. They spend most of their time trying to get onto local radio to raise their profile.

If you want to save money on governement I'd be all for it - but cutting the number of TDs who are ministers seems like a p1ss poor way to do it.

Off the top of my head - here are 3 initiatives that would save much more and achieve more

- abolish the Seanad
- cap TDs pay at their average pay for the last 5 yrs before they became a TD (so that it's not a pay jump for anyone)
- abolish all assistant / constituency allowances for anyone who isnt a minister

Reducing the number of ministers would save very little and actually reduce the number of productive TDs

Rodney Bathgate

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Why not slash all their pay to the average wage aswell?

Aside from some socialist ideology, why would anyone want this? It is a ridiculous suggestion.

[Deleted User]

Rodney Bathgate wrote: »

Aside from some socialist ideology, why would anyone want this? It is a ridiculous suggestion.

Because, at least in theory, you'd attract better intentioned people. It'd weed out the chancers and gombeens doing it for the handsome pay/pension and other perks.

Shefwedfan

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Why not slash all their pay to the average wage aswell?

1 in 3 government TDs being a minister is too high a figure for me to be comfortable with and anyone running on platform to reduce it under law,will have my support (aswell as proposals yous have outlined)

More important job = more money

Not sure why your confused by the concept

Shefwedfan

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Because, at least in theory, you'd attract better intentioned people. It'd weed out the chancers and gombeens doing it for the handsome pay/pension and other perks.

Anyone can apply to be a politician, the people vote them in

So that makes zero sense

Zebra3

But there's no magic money tree for these overpaid politicians and their obscene pensions.

Why do we allow these socialist policies of the state bankrolling these people unnecessarily?

Shefwedfan

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Cant be that elite a job,if 1 in 3 government TDs are doing it

Indeed we have a minster for mental health,who is againest abortion,even for cases where suicide is a risk??

Whole thing is a scam imo

How many people live in Ireland? How many are TD?

[Deleted User]

Shefwedfan wrote: »

Anyone can apply to be a politician, the people vote them in

So that makes zero sense

Re-read what I wrote.

Shefwedfan

[Deleted User] wrote: »

160 TDs

This really is basic stuff lad

So 160 out of 5 million and you say it’s not elite

:-)

Shefwedfan

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Re-read what I wrote.

No need
Reducing the wages just means you get the bottom of barrels

The voting system is supposed to weed out the chancers

Shefwedfan

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Indeed where as 35 out of 85 TDs in government made minister

Making it a 41% rate......seems kinda celtic tiger levels of gravy train tbh.......isnt this a similar rate of managerment in the HSE??

At some stage you will make a relevant point, I don’t have the time to wait for that decade

jmayo

hotmail.com wrote: »

Eamon Ryan had to be woken up today during a Dail session.

https://amp.independent.ie/videos/irish-news/green-party-leader-eamon-ryan-caught-sleeping-during-dail-vote-39374326.html?__twitter_impression=true

Farce or a serious reflection on this new minister?

I am forever saying he is a dozy bollo***.

splinter65 wrote: »

Jesus everything is an outrage and a sackable offence now. Dozed off while they were droning on and on there. The Dail must be one of the most boring parliaments in the world.

I think most people would get a boll**king if they were caught asleep on the job.
Of course it would be sackable for things like drivers, pilots, etc.

BTW the last one is interesting, time to worry you folks flying off on your hols.

Anonymous research in the US has shown that pilots admit they often fall asleep. There have even been crashes they believe and one set of pilots overflew their destination by nearly 100 miles and only realised when flight attendant woke them up because she thought they should have been getting ready for landing.
They got fired after they claimed they were so engrossed on their laptops doing their schedules they forgot.

KaneToad

jmayo wrote: »

I am forever saying he is a dozy bollo***.

I think most people would get a boll**king if they were caught asleep on the job.
Of course it would be sackable for things like drivers, pilots, etc.

I think the first question from most reasonable employers would be: are you ok? Bollocking doesn't come into it.

Ryan could have been unwell
He might have a family member unwell (he has an autistic child)
He might have been drunk
He might have been high
He might have up all night working

If it becomes a habit, it would be a problem. He's a 56 year old male - these things happen sometimes.

Edgware

bmc58 wrote: »

Matty McGrath took a nap too.Where's the hullaballo about him?

McGrath is more effective when he is asleep.

Galwayguy35

seligehgit wrote: »

Well said.As I said initially the optics were'nt great but it's hardly a hanging offence.

Eamon Ryan has always struck me as an inherently decent man and I say that as somebody for whom large parts of the Green party agenda are the anathema to me.

This episode will be a negligible factor in the leadership contest which I think he will still win.

I don't think anyone is saying he isn't a decent person but he's shown himself to be kinda clueless about things over the years.

Remember when he told us all to buy diesels and now we are being hammered for doing just that.

Or saying rural people should leave the car at home and just take the (non existent) bus.

Yes he put himself up for election and I'm sure he does long hours but he is a Minister on a huge salary and expenses so its not a good look nodding off on the job when those of us on a minimum wage would get our arse handed to us if we did the same thing.

Edgware

Shefwedfan wrote: »

So 160 out of 5 million and you say it’s not elite

:-)

Its not elite. We have had many fine T.D.s across all parties and none who came from ordinary backgrounds. They worked hard at local level, community politics, trade unions etc and impressed people enough to get elected.
If they don't measure up we dump them at the next election