Deleted User wrote: » You've no interest in how other countries behave, but expect Ireland to be "better". Which is why we're going to make the same mistakes as other countries who have embraced multiculturalism and your 'charitable' views on immigration....
Deleted User wrote: » No, you stated that it was either all or nothing... I've reread your post three times now and each time I understand it the same way.
Deleted User wrote: » It doesn't matter. I understand where you're coming from, and I find it to be extremely short sighted considering the state of the world and where it's heading in terms of instability. But then, that's hardly new with the pro-immigration crowd.
smurgen wrote: » Loyalists not a fan of multiculturalism it seems.. ..https://twitter.com/christineomg5/status/1282030584743813122?s=19
Slowyourrole wrote: » I literally said in the post you quoted we can learn from others. The point I was making was that our policies shouldn't be based on a reciprocal policy.
No, I said most anti-immigration people seem to believe that.
What's causing the instability? People wanting to be treated equally or the people already at the top of the pile trying to stop them? Instability in the West isn't being caused by human rights campaigners, it's caused by people like Trump and Johnson being voted in to resist change, whether it be positive or negative.
They'd fit in well here
mr_fegelien wrote: » AFAIK, the only migration that Ireland benefits from is supranational migration from EU countries where the same race of people and similar cultures ensures these people can integrate relatively easy. Then Indians and Chinese should be allowed. That's it. No other groups because you just look at their unemployment rate. It's said Africans and Muslims fare worse than all other immigrants.
Deleted User wrote: » Why not? Shouldn't our citizens going to other countries, have the same rights & protections, as migrants coming to this country?
Deleted User wrote: » Sure. Some do. There's a lot of people on this thread who are not anti-immigration (myself included) but would be lumped in with them, because we don't fully accept the pro-immigration attitudes.
Deleted User wrote: » Now you're shifting goalposts. We were talking about the instability in the world, which was increasing the numbers of migrants who would seek access to Europe. But you want that to be about something else entirely. Instability in non-western countries (or some recently joined EU countries) is driving migration patterns due to economic issues, political instability, religious division, etc. This has nothing to do with the US.... This is about Ireland & Europe.
Deleted User wrote: » Why? Because everyone who doesn't agree with your pov should be all lumped in together?
Slowyourrole wrote: » Sure. But we can only control our own policies, not those of other countries. We should treat immigrants the same way we would like to be treated in other countries.
And most of that world instability is caused by religious or ethnic intolerance.
Because the views they express can be seen here too.
Slowyourrole wrote: » And most of that world instability is caused by religious or ethnic intolerance.
DelaneyIn wrote: » Why would you wish to import these issues?
olestoepoke wrote: » Just read that there will be a muslim gathering in Croke Park called the sacrifice. They slaughter live animals for this religious festival. I've no problem with any religious gathering but will they actually be slaughtering live animals?
Deleted User wrote: » Actually, I think there's some arrogance involved. For the most part, religion has been relegated to the shadows in Europe, with the rise of alternative faiths. I suspect people think that because Catholicism failed in Europe, then other organised religions will too... or simply they have no real understanding of what Islam is actually like. Few people have made the effort to go to a Islamic country such as in the M.East, so their perceptions are watered down. You see, I've traveled through the M.East. I admired the architecture, the carpets, the stunning women (when I could see them, and just their eyes when I couldn't), and stood shivering listening to the call to prayer. It's another world, which I don't think many here really appreciate.. and it's all based on their religion. Their religion is the core part of their cultural identity depending on which heritage they fall under. Which is not an attack on Islam or Muslims BTW. I have no issue with such happening in their own countries... although I am very very nervous about it's presence in the West.. not as a minority, but when numbers are pretty high, like what happened in London. Just as when I traveled through Western Africa, I heard account upon account of violence occurring because various tribes hated each other. Sure, the British and other colonial powers mixed them up, but the tribes are the ones continuing the violence towards each other. There's an arrogance in the West, that suggests that migrants will simply stop whatever behavior they were doing in their own countries, and be someone else when they're here. Traditional hatreds spanning hundreds of years will simply disappear because migrants are so happy to be in Europe. Nor will they want to change Europe to be more like their own countries or cultures, because , well, Europe is wonderful. We're successful. Yay. All the while, the same people cries against any suggestion of national pride. National pride for white people is white supremacy and leads to the dark side (although I suppose we should be saying leads to the white side now). We're no longer supposed to feel pride about any aspect of western culture that essentially made Europe one of the most successful areas in history... Why do people want to import these problems? Because they're superior to everyone else. They've got their high morals and values... and they're different from others because they're enlightened. Reality doesn't matter because they seek to reshape reality to something else entirely. From what I can gather, they genuinely believe that they won't be affected except in positive ways by this new reality. Oddly enough, I'd imagine it's like tripping on shrooms. Sorry. Was in the mood for a soapbox speech.
Mr. Karate wrote: » The whole point of EID is to sacrifice animals to appeal to Allah. If this was just prayers this could easily be done in their mosques [And Lord knows there's plenty in Dublin]
This treason on the Govt and GAA 's part and a sign that they have already conquered us on the Muslim's part.
jmreire wrote: » This is the whole crux of the matter. A muslim's whole life is completely lived around Islam....and as you mentioned Klaz...unless you have lived ( and I mean lived, not just visited or for holidays ) amongst them, you cannot understand the mindset of Muslims, and how dedicated they are to their religion. Its the most important thing in their Lives. If all the pro-multicultural supporters lived for few months in an Islamic Country, they would have quite a different viewpoint.
jmreire wrote: » If all the pro-multicultural supporters lived for few months in an Islamic Country, they would have quite a different viewpoint.
Deleted User wrote: » Haha... well.. I spent three weeks living with a Muslim family in Iran. Wonderful people. Incredible English and very well educated (their whole family were all University lecturers). I knew their son from teaching in China. We had many talks about Iranian culture, religion, etc. and.... while I was, once, a very devout Christian, I still didn't have a clue as to the connection they had with their religion. Oh, it's beautiful in many ways.... and scary, in others, when you see highly intelligent/educated people bow to religious authority on subjects. Still, it's not that different to the Chinese on many political issues. Islam is everything to them. Oh, I've known young Muslim guys who live abroad, party, screw around, drink, do drugs etc... and then, they approach 30, and they're instantly a perfect Muslim. It's incredible. You can see the previous person in their eyes, but in reality, that person is dead. It's... an experience when you see it happen to someone you admired. Really wacky. I love other cultures. It's my thing.... but Islam while often very beautiful in how it manifests in culture, also manifests in other ways. I've seen a lot of these other aspects, which have made me very nervous. It's not about individuals. We got a taste of mob rule with the recent BLM movement in the US... well, Islam is a mob religion. Very very powerful. You look at the individual, and then Islam can seem very reasonable. You look at the mob, and it's anything but reasonable. And that's the problem.... in small numbers Islam isn't an issue.. but once numbers increase dramatically..... I don't think people realise that Islam isn't just in the M.East. It's very popular throughout Africa and Asia too... So, many migrants will be Muslim, even if they're not from a nationality we normally associate with Islam. Wanted to answer this point separately. I genuinely don't think they would think differently. There's still that arrogance about Western culture, while also, at the same time, hatred of western culture. There's a kind of insanity affecting western nations now. This need to tear ourselves apart for... reasons. It's destructive, but people do it anyway. It's utterly retarded, but they do it anyway. Many expats I know live abroad because we're expecting to see western nations implode. There's just too many agendas being pushed around.
jmreire wrote: » From hearing about Islam and Muslims, to actually living with them in their own Country, how did it affect your perception of Islam?
Because, its not everyone who has the chance to do this, in the best case, people will have Muslim colleagues and friends here in Ireland, but that's not a true sampel of Islam.
For the rest, their experience of Islam is gleaned from TV, newspapers and hearsay. You are right about the state of Western Nations ( and not only the west either) giving cause for worry..... there seems to be no strong central point to anchor ourselves around to bring stability.
Deleted User wrote: » Ahh no... Actually, it's a pretty minor gesture to give them.
Clarence Boddiker wrote: » Ireland’s population has diversified over the past decade. Just 82% of the population identifies as white Irish in the 2016 Census, compared to 94% in 2011. 12% shift in only 5 years, absolutely insane. Is there any other country on Earth that has experienced such a rapid demographic shift?https://www.noteworthy.ie/proposal/racism-work-ireland-107-Jun2020
This shift to multiculturalism is not necessarily reflected equally in employment statistics. While 15% of the workforce in Ireland identifies as being of migrant descent, the upper tiers of management in the public and private sectors remain predominantly white Irish. In 2018, the Economic and Social Research Institute (ESRI) reported that black non-Irish people are five times more likely than white Irish people to experience discrimination when seeking employment. And when it comes to racist incidents in the workplace, Ireland ranked last year as one of the worst Europe-wide with a rate of 33%, compared to an EU average of 22%.
excludedbin wrote: » But I'm sure that won't stop the usual names from promoting hysteria about the Saracen hordes coming to "take us over".
In 2018, the Economic and Social Research Institute (ESRI) reported that black non-Irish people are five times more likely than white Irish people to experience discrimination when seeking employment. And when it comes to racist incidents in the workplace, Ireland ranked last year as one of the worst Europe-wide with a rate of 33%, compared to an EU average of 22%.
excludedbin wrote: » It'll be "taking over" to me once there's even a shred of evidence for this "taking over". Immigration, no matter how much you stamp your feet, is not "taking over", "invading", or whatever you want to call it. There's a lot of conspiracy theory stuff but as usual, little to no facts.
To feel or even think that the white race is inferior in every conceivable way is natural given its history and current actions. Let the western race of the white race perish in blood and suffering. Long live the multicultural, racially mixed and classless ecological society! Long live the anarchist!
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