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Shannon Airport Thread [Mod Warning in First Post]

Clareman

This thread is to discuss all things Shannon Airport related.

Warning, any back biting, regional nonsense, trolling, baiting or back seat modding will lead to bans.

It's also important to remember than that this thread is in a regional forum, not the Aviation forum, if you want to get into details on Aviation, go to that forum. Finally, this is the Clare forum, there will be a bias towards Clare in here, so expect folk to want to defend their county .

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Clareman

JamesBond2010 wrote: »

Just to say the average wage quoted way off of what most employees are being paid. Thats more like what upstairs are being paid.Thats nearly double some workers yearly salary as well

Oh yeah averages are dangerous, if there's 1 person on 200k and 4 people on 25k the average salary is 60k between the 5.

nthclare

Clareman wrote: »

Oh yeah averages are dangerous, if there's 1 person on 200k and 4 people on 25k the average salary is 60k between the 5.

I'm sure that not only the airport has good averages in wage's.

I hear in other sectors of the group there's huge wage's.
No fault of the employee's as obviously in a semi state body there's an incremental scale.

So a guy there who's cleaning windows and changing bin liners could be at the top of his scale, and rightly so.

Why would someone who's happy out on that scale want to leave for a package, of course it would do the airport well financially to hit the reset button and start all over.

A big clean out and a blank canvas...

Clareman

nthclare wrote: »

I'm sure that not only the airport has good averages in wage's.

I hear in other sectors of the group there's huge wage's.
No fault of the employee's as obviously in a semi state body there's an incremental scale.

So a guy there who's cleaning windows and changing bin liners could be at the top of his scale, and rightly so.

Why would someone who's happy out on that scale want to leave for a package, of course it would do the airport well financially to hit the reset button and start all over.

A big clean out and a blank canvas...

A lot of outsourcing and contract work as well, I'd assume that the airport is very seasonal workloads so having the ability to have a lot of temp staff would be very handy, not saying 0 hour contracts but maybe have suppliers on retainers or something

nthclare

Clareman wrote: »

A lot of outsourcing and contract work as well, I'd assume that the airport is very seasonal workloads so having the ability to have a lot of temp staff would be very handy, not saying 0 hour contracts but maybe have suppliers on retainers or something

People from throughout the group should be given an option of a package similar to Dublin Airport .

Some would be delighted with that.
A friend of mine works in Heritage and they're in their 50's and I'd say they'ed be out the door if they had the chance of a reasonable package.

Clareman

nthclare wrote: »

People from throughout the group should be given an option of a package similar to Dublin Airport .

Some would be delighted with that.
A friend of mine works in Heritage and they're in their 50's and I'd say they'ed be out the door if they had the chance of a reasonable package.

Thing is if you went to every company in the country you'd get a load of people who'd take your hands off and are jealous of those that get the offer but those that are in the position of the offer don't realise how lucky they are. Could you imagine being a 59 year old working in the airport since they were 20? Outside looking it, 2 years wages, 5 grand upskilling, 9 months job seekers, with a great pension to look forward to, surely it's a no-brainer, but throw in a couple of children in college, 10 years left on a mortgage, never worked anywhere else so almost impossible to get a job somewhere else, you know something, it's not such an easy decision. BUT it's a decision, it's not being forced on them.

I got invited to a rally in Ennis to "Save Shannon Airport", in my opinion the moves that are being made at the moment are the right ones to save Shannon Airport but not the right decisions to save the status quo, anyone that goes to that rally is just hoping nothing changes and the government continues to give handouts.

AnRothar

nthclare wrote: »

People from throughout the group should be given an option of a package similar to Dublin Airport .

Aim would be to target certain sections where there is a perceived over supply. Not everyone would be "surplus".

A friend of mine works in Heritage and they're in their 50's and I'd say they'ed be out the door if they had the chance of a reasonable package.

If your friend is useful and not cheaply replaced then offering them a "deal" is counter productive.

Clareman

AnRothar wrote: »

Aim would be to target certain sections where there is a perceived over supply. Not everyone would be "surplus".

If your friend is useful and not cheaply replaced then offering them a "deal" is counter productive.

Redundancy is on the role not the person, I'd imagine in the airport they are hoping that they can adjust a lot of roles to go into 1, I worked in a company where 3 senior managers were offered redundancy as there was only 1 role available, there was a major shock when all 3 went for the redundancy rather than the job.

golfball37

It’s top heavy with overpaid management roles that aren’t needed for the level of business activity,even when the business is going well let alone the past 5 years and especially now.

nthclare

golfball37 wrote: »

It’s top heavy with overpaid management roles that aren’t needed for the level of business activity,even when the business is going well let alone the past 5 years and especially now.

It's the new thing now to have loads of manager's, and fluff jobs.

Sadly creativity and innovation was replaced with people who came from highly paid positions in sectors that have nothing to do with aviation and heritage.

Supposedly there's a lot of accountant's running the airport.

Without the interest in something, everything is a number rather than what it's supposed to be.

It's very like your typical civil service structure.

AnRothar

nthclare wrote: »

It's very like your typical civil service structure.

It is a COMMERCIAL Semi State.

It's part of the wider Public Service.

nthclare

AnRothar wrote: »

It is a COMMERCIAL Semi State.

It's part of the wider Public Service.

So I'm wondering if they're over staffed and it's a commercial semi state company.
Maybe they could offer the staff jobs in other state department's where there's a lack of people to get some impact in other areas.

There's a lot that could be done to enhance the wild Atlantic way, cleaning up areas, protecting flora and fauna.

Our beaches and headland's could do with rangers or people to carry out survey's and water testing etc cleaning up rubbish which is washed up.

Forest's and park's are lacking attention, there's a lot of options.

AnRothar

nthclare wrote: »

So I'm wondering if they're over staffed and it's a commercial semi state company.
Maybe they could offer the staff jobs in other state department's where there's a lack of people to get some impact in other areas.

You appear to misunderstand the role of "Commercial Semi State" operations.

They are intended to operate in a specific role/area and that's it. ESB vs Dublin Port for example are both Semi States but have almost zero overlap.

There is almost no facility to transfer from one to another not to mention move either to the general service or a local authority.

Shannon group will look to its own operations in terms of staffing numbers.

Those over and above the optimal staffing will be the ones targeted.

Each subset of the group will have different requirements so internal movement would probably be non existent too.

Morby

Are there currently flights from the US flying into Shannon these days?

Cosmo Kramer

Morby wrote: »

Are there currently flights from the US flying into Shannon these days?

No, only Dublin for the foreseeable future. Shannon will hope to get some kind of transatlantic operation back in place in 2021.

Berty

Cosmo Kramer wrote: »

No, only Dublin for the foreseeable future. Shannon will hope to get some kind of transatlantic operation back in place in 2021.

Small oversight is United still advertising on the back of Bus Eireann for Shannon.

Cookiemunster

Berty wrote: »

Small oversight is United still advertising on the back of Bus Eireann for Shannon.

I reckon that's just Bus Eireann not changing the advertising. That won't be changed until someone else pays to put their name on it.

Feria40

Cosmo Kramer wrote: »

No, only Dublin for the foreseeable future. Shannon will hope to get some kind of transatlantic operation back in place in 2021.

And so far as I can tell one cannot directly fly to/from any single green list country from Shannon.

I realise obviously that there are still flights going to your Malaga's, Lanzarote etc. but I wonder what the load factor is like and if they will continue

Berty

I'll say this about Lanzarote. If the government add it to the list then I hope it doesn't get cancelled as I've paid(in January for September), can't get a refund and would like to go. If they do cancel it, they will have to refund me so I would be content.

Remember though the Coveney did say today(Rte Radio) that you are welcome to connect in a non green country to get to/from a green country so long as you're not leaving the airport. Example I guess is don't fly to Stanstead and look to connect in Gatwick (my example not his)

No airport alone is built on people taking one or two trips a year to a holiday spot. The other travel is required, business included.

My work will require me in the UK 2-3 times a month, won't be happening anytime soon but imagine my work schedule and others similar. We've been through it on the thread, it's not just the cost of a plane ticket either that our money goes on. Parking, maybe a meal and for me always something in WHsmiths and always parking. The airports cost of corporate short term parking is very high , better if it was quarterly.

Brennans Row

IAC new painting hangar looks busy with the repainting of 747s.

Qatar Amiri B747-8Z5(bbj) A7-HHF
Air Atlanta Icelandic (Magma) 747-412F TF-AMC
Cargolux (Retro) 747-4EVF(ER) LX-NCL

Brennans Row

Fears for up to 76 jobs in Shannon (Limerick Leader)

THERE are fears for up to 76 jobs in Shannon this evening, after Lufthansa Technik Turbine confirmed plans to downsize.

Based at the World Aviation Park in the town, Lufthansa Technik Turbine specialises in the repair of components for both high pressure and low pressure turbines.

It’s a part of the engine parts and accessories repair division of Lufthansa Technik, which itself is based in Shannon Airport.

A source within the firm said it has expressed strongly that it will seek to rehire staff once the Covid-19 crisis is over.

The move comes amid a near-complete collapse in global air traffic due to the pandemic.

It’s left companies like Lufthansa Technik Turbine not having clients to service.

This is probably around a third of the workforce at this facility.

The question is when will they rehire again? 2021 ? 2022 ? 2023 ?

Brennans Row

This picture says it all.

Five Lufthansa aircraft stored in Shannon during the peak season.

Photo Leah O'Carroll.

highlydebased

BA are retiring the A318 so we won't be seeing it anymore

hobie14

highlydebased wrote: »

BA are retiring the A318 so we won't be seeing it anymore

The service or just the type of aircraft? ...

Stanford

Any takers on the possibility of Rose Hyne's term as Chairman of the Shannon Group will be further extended beyond August 2020?

JamesBond2010

Stanford wrote: »

Any takers on the possibility of Rose Hyne's term as Chairman of the Shannon Group will be further extended beyond August 2020?

you will win the bet;);)

RocketRaccoon

Stanford wrote: »

Any takers on the possibility of Rose Hyne's term as Chairman of the Shannon Group will be further extended beyond August 2020?

It 100% will be, and that will be the final nail in the coffin.

RocketRaccoon

hobie14 wrote: »

The service or just the type of aircraft? ...

The aircraft and therefore the service.

Clareman

Stanford wrote: »

Any takers on the possibility of Rose Hyne's term as Chairman of the Shannon Group will be further extended beyond August 2020?

If her role isn't extended who would take it? Fine and dandy to say she's not fit for the role but who would take it in the current circumstances?

Stanford

I never said she was not fit for the role its just that Fine Gael is not the only Govt party now

Clareman

Stanford wrote: »

I never said she was not fit for the role its just that Fine Gael is not the only Govt party now

Fair enough, but she's on a bit of a hiding to nothing here, if she decides to let her contract run out in August then she has no interest in the airport and was just in it for the money, once it got tough she ran out the door, if she decides to ask for a renewal, she's not worth her spot and is only in it because of who she knows.