Ten of Swords wrote: » A significant number of posts have been deleted, this is the second (and final) reminder that this thread concerns the gender recognition legislation for children under 18. Any more posts conflating trans with pedophilia or mental illness, traveller rights, transgender prisoners, crime from people of a migrant background or any other off topic posting will earn an immediate card and threadban.
For those persons affected with this condition, and in particular those who have undergone gender reassignment surgery, there seems to be a burning desire to have their new sexual identity recognised, not only socially but also legally. This urge to have that identity fully and in all respects accepted by the law is at the core of the transsexuals plight. This explains why so many, often after painful surgical procedures, are still driven to publicly embark on a fight for legal identity which frequently is humiliating and unsuccessful. Those at the forefront of such a quest many years ago, faced a public and a legal system which was much less sympathetic and must less understanding than hopefully what it is today. Everyone as a member of society has the right to human dignity, and with individual personalities, has the right to develop his being as he sees fit; subject only to the most minimal of State interference being essential for the convergence of the common good. Together with human freedom, a person, subject to the acquired rights of others, should be free to shape his personality in the way best suited to his person and to his life.
Eric Cartman wrote: » so it turns out being sacked for a minor transgression in the past and a lacklustre apology for such is now the done thing with Barry Cowen gone. So when is Eamon Ryan going to pull the plug on OGorman ?
Snake Plisken wrote: » Sooner the better give him agriculture as he would be a better fit there
ronivek wrote: » I only detailed the recent legislative history of the Gender Recognition Act; it has its true origins in the European Convention of Human Rights which was signed in 1950 by the Council of Europe of which Ireland was a founding member.
.... in particular those who have undergone gender reassignment surgery ... often after painful surgical procedures ....
Eric Cartman wrote: » You can't give the Green Party agriculture unless you want a load of slurry tankers patrolling Kildare street spraying Leinster house.
iebamm2580 wrote: » some crazy tweets he has put out and nothing about it in the meida, in one he replies "if you see her again, break her legs and call me".
Eric Cartman wrote: » more of this please ? any screenshots.
Acosta wrote: » Maybe they'll organise another rally at the weekend. Justin could put in a call to Germany and get some of his mates in the NDP to come over and help bolster the numbers
iebamm2580 wrote: » think we all agree justin barrett is a racist fruit loop.
Eric Cartman wrote: » and most of us can agree that Justin Barrett being a racist fruitloop does not make concerns about the childrens minister , past associations and his continued support for radical hate groups like BLM, his pushing of change of gender for kids legislation any less valid. "Justin barrett is a racist" is the most whataboutery defence of O'Gorman possible.
Deleted User wrote: » Thing is, the vast majority of Irish people don't hold your view on blm. The legislation around changing gender comes from the previous government. The picture with Tatchell amounted to a storm in a teacup. They can go on about indefinitely but O'Gorman isn't remotely damaged by the story cause it was tenuous.
Snake Plisken wrote: » Barrett shouldn't have been invited to that protest much like Gemma as it just gave the Antifa/Government media shills something to latch onto. But it was great to see the little Antifa protest backfire on them as the headline I saw around international commentators was Antifa cointer-demo an anti pedo demonstration. Well-done Leah Doherty Well-done
Acosta wrote: » Anti fascists, the government and the Irish media don't need to worry about some moronic, brainwashed Trump support on twitter give their hot take that the video on Saturday was actually demonstrators protesting an anti peodophile rally, because anyone with half a brain can see it was a group of loutish homophobic fascist thugs attack a peaceful counter protest of 4 people.
VillageIdiot71 wrote: » And that material is interesting, too, because it does indeed explain these issues have been developing over a long period, and are not just a particular interest of a particular new Minister. I think it still leaves a gap where a debate might have been necessary. For me, the part that stands out in that material isThe judge makes his decision, in a situation where he sees "in particular" people who have "often" taken painful steps to express an identity. We then, seamlessly as far as public deliberation is concern, slide towards a situation where such steps are only taken by a minority. Which, inevitably, causes quite a few to say "wtf"? And reopens the question. I can utterly appreciate that folk who undergo surgery to alter their bodies are struggling with something deep. But do we say to women who want FGM "off you go"? Or do we just prohibit the practice because we feel, whatever a person says, that's not a rational choice? I see, to some extent, the practical steps that took us to this point. The coherence still eludes me, I'm afraid.
Snake Plisken wrote: » Sickener you lost the deposit on that sweet Speaker system.
Eric Cartman wrote: » I would say the majority of Irish people have no idea who BLM are , of those that do know theres a small number who wilfully and ignorantly support their violent actions, theres a larger proportion that abhor their violent actions and then theres the portion who go along with it because its popular on the internet or the others who would like to pretend its about equal rights and sunshine and rainbows. that last category is the one I suspect O'Gorman has fallen into, can't see the wood for the trees, but I think he should know better or atleast have an advisor say to him "ehh they are looting and damaging everything and their supporters are anti white racists, maybe you shouldn't retweet that"
paw patrol wrote: » Opposing it , makes you look like a peado apologist or worse.
Joeytheparrot wrote: » So you are supporting fascist violence now?
Snake Plisken wrote: » Anti Peado equals fascist now Joey does it? What about your sister in arms Leah Doherty and her laced milk shakes or the Antifa violence that took place in the free speech demo you were at? Btw only some lads speakers took an auld kick there at the weekend #SpeakersLivesMatter
paw patrol wrote: » i don't get people like you. Who cares who shows up? Id march arm in arm with Hitler and Stalin on an anti-peado march. I've been on marches with the far left - who I really don't like on the basis we'd a common aim. Opposing it , makes you look like a peado apologist or worse. The notion that petty right/left political spectrum rows supercede the safety of kids. That would be funny if it's wasn't so tragic.
TomTomTim wrote: » You people are such hypocrites. You bang the drum of taking Antifas names literally, which of course is idiotic. Yet when another group use a similar tactic, you reject a literal interpretation. You can't keep applying different standards to different groups, it leaves the world in a confused mess.
Joeytheparrot wrote: » You cant seriously be comparing FGM with SRS? Entirely different issues, practices that have absolutely nothing to do with each other. Its just off the wall comparison.
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