katiek102010 wrote: » Having lived in London I can firmly say stop and search happens in high crime areas. Youths hanging around in gangs are the targets. If black youths are stopped and searched more than white, it's because black youths are hanging around in gangs more, in high crime areas, than white youths. They are not being targeted because of the colour of their skin, they are being profiled because of there actions and behaviour in specific areas. Maybe just maybe if they stopped the behaviour it wouldn't happen. Believe it or not I know plenty of black people in London who have never been stopped and searched. Reason being parents didnt let them act like scumbags
Adam9213 wrote: » You mean young people don't get stopped and searched in ballymun or what are you talking about? It probably disproportionately effects black citizens because black areas have the most crime and the biggest problems with gang violence that's just facts it doesn't mean it's racial profiling.
Bonniedog wrote: » That is not true. Of 506 police killings to end of June 105 were black people.
1800_Ladladlad wrote: » Which says more about you, attempting to justify the actions of the murdering sub-human cretins that murdered her, as if she was asking for it and that it was her fault.
Bonniedog wrote: » No he did not! Panthers were founded by Newton and Seale as a protection racket in Oakland. And Newton was not only a crack addict but a dealer. Now. You will of course produce evidence of your claim regarding MLK and the BPP.
RandomName2 wrote: » Overwhelmingly it is blacks that get killed by the police,
iamstop wrote: » If you are using the 'alllivesmatter' hashtag and don't know any better or are confused why people are mad at you let me explain it: 2. The oppressors decided that this hashtag would gather too much momentum and decided they needed to water it down and dilute it with 'alllivesmatter' to protect the racist system that they benefit from. And to some degree it's working (COINTELPRO). Every time you use that hashtag you are doing the work of the oppressor. You are being used as a pawn. You are being manipulated into diluting a movement that's main goal is end police brutality.
Carfacemandog wrote: » 1. They've raised a quarter million in under a week - https://ie.gofundme.com/f/official-memorial-fund-for-secoriea-turner 2. The George Floyd riots kicked off before there was much media attention of the case, within 24 hours of his death. It was the riots, and the police reaction of getting the tear gas etc out immediately, that truly caught people's attention. 3. George Floyd's death was a long, agonising one caught on camera in full which caused it to go viral. Turner's was not on camera, which leads to less of a reaction. 4. There was a clear 'bad guy' in Floyd's death in Derek Chauvin right off the bat. In Secoriea Turner's case there was not, and they still do not have a clear identity of who it was yet. 5. George Floyd's death, as I already discussed in the post you were responding to, came on the back of two other high profile stories of a long standing issue regarding black people being killed unnecessarily by police, and of a disgruntlement among black people over their government being openly hostile to their attempts at peaceful protest (while advocating armed protest for their own supporters). Without the building anger from Ahmaud Arbery and Breonna Taylor being in the news in the days leading up to this, I doubt this would have sparked the riots it did. Had people not been sitting around during coronavirus without much to do or jobs to go to, it also likely would not have reached the same levels.
Carfacemandog wrote: » MLK .... an early role in the founding of, the Black Panther Party who were constantly labelled as violent criminals and drug addicts. .
ELM327 wrote: » He didnt deserve to be killed, no, and chauvin deserves what's coming to him as a bent copper. But to hail Floyd as this angel really irks me, as he was a scumbag in life.
Bonniedog wrote: » I said murders were increasing in New York which they are.
So, did MLK and Hamer break into peoples house and sell drugs?
Carfacemandog wrote: » What 'fact' are they stating there that have anything to do with the discussion at hand? Because Floyd certainly is no hero of mine, but that doesn't mean he deserved to be killed for using a fake $20 bill. Do you think he should have been killed on the street for using a fake $20 bill? Do you think he should have been killed on the street for being high (if he was)? Those are not sarcastic questions by the way, because you have already called for slaughtering people for entering the home of a man who had literally invited them in. You're a bit fond of the auld violence going by your posting history, so it wouldn't surprise me much if you answered 'yes' to one or both of the above questions.
Cupatae wrote: » The reason it resonated in the US is because the media wanted it to, and there was a massive appetite for it by all these righteous virtue signallers, Think about it, why aren't these people raging over an innocent 8 yr old girl shot dead Secoriea Turner? Why is millions and millions being raised for George floyd but there isn't a peep for this child .. the reason is the media and the agenda they want to push and that is white on black hate crimes they ignore everything else because it's what the mass amount of virtue signallers want.
Carfacemandog wrote: » I see you're eager to change the subject from your clearly lost argument on broken windows, to questioning why people had an issue with a guy being murdered by police for using a fake $20 bill. The reason it resonated with people in the US is because it could easily have been them - Floyd did some horrible stuff in the past, but he wasn't here. He was literally smoking a cigarette in a car that he had used a fake $20 bill to pay for, and it cost him his life. He could just as easily have been a teenager eating a packet of skittles down the road from his dads house and had the killer be let walk away from the scene and get off scott free. He could just as easily have been a 26 year old nurse enjoying a good night's sleep in Kentucky in between shifts of trying to help tackle the covid crisis on the front line, only be shot dead and have her partner charged with attempted murder for the incident. He could just as easily have been some random guy selling individual cigarettes on a New York street corner, acting in no way violent and just completely senselessly choked to death by police. He could just as easily have been going for a jog through rural Atlanta only to be hunted down like a dog (or "n*gger" to use their words) by an ex-cop and DA's office worker with it nearly swept nicely under the carpet and no charges filed or arrests made until public outcry caused it to go viral. He could just as easily have been a school nutritionist, killed for having his legally held gun kept legally in the glove compartment. He could just as easily have been a woman murdered by police for playing video games with her nephew in her own home. He could just as easily have been a 14 year old kid playing with his sister and a toy gun then shot and then left to die as they were too busy arresting her after. He could literally have even been at home, eating ice cream and had a drunk cop storm in and murder him. He could have been killed for walking down the stairs in his apartment building. The fact that some of these cases came so close to each other - particularly Breonna Taylor and Ahmaud Arbery which were all over the news throughout May leading up to Floyd's murder at the hands of police - all came together, was enough spark to set it all off on the back of people already being frustrated at the state of their nation and a president who takes advise from outed white supremacists like Stephen Miller. Of course, had the response from the government and law enforcement been less awful, they may have been able to get this under control quicker. But they didn't. --- I do love when people bring up MLK and peaceful protesting though, because black people had tried what is often called an 'MLK style' peaceful protest already back in 2016, and were labeled as scum and traitors for it. They received death threats, and careers like Colin Kaepernick's were ruined due to blacklisting for daring to peacefully protest. Leading those threats and insults was of all the people, the same president of the United States who has white supremacists for advisers, claiming it was disrespectful to the troops and flag... while also mocking dying American war heroes, calling all his generals idiots, insulting the families of people who lost their loved ones in combat... and outright supporting police brutality. In other words, it had nothing to do with 'the troops and flag' and almost everything to do with wanting those 'uppity negroes' to shut up know their place. That group of people simply didn't want to hear it. Funny enough, once protesters took it to the next level, people started listening pretty quickly and now many have back peddled a lot on the stances they took in 2016. But if you actually had paid attention to MLK (who the FBI considered the most dangerous man in the country), you would have heeded that warning from over half a century ago:"A riot is the language of the unheard."- Martin Luther King. Hey, how about another MLK quote while we're at it, because he was not the outright pacifist-above-all-else type that some seem to think. Not by a long shot. Going by the below, he would largely approve of these protests, including the rioting and looting."Urban riots must now be recognized as durable social phenomena. They may be deplored, but they are there and should be understood. Urban riots are a special form of violence. They are not insurrections. The rioters are not seeking to seize territory or to attain control of institutions. They are mainly intended to shock the white community. They are a distorted form of social protest. The looting which is their principal feature serves many functions. It enables the most enraged and deprived Negro to take hold of consumer goods with the ease the white man does by using his purse. Often the Negro does not even want what he takes; he wants the experience of taking.”- Martin Luther King And here is a quote from one of MLK's closest colleagues: “I keep a shotgun in every corner of my bedroom and the first cracker even look like he wants to throw some dynamite on my porch won’t write his mama again.” - Fannie Lou Hamer Make no bones about it, many people like you would have been ardently against MLK at the time (as many were) and thrown many of the very same labels as you and others are so fond of are this thread, in MLK's direction for his criminal record, his views on rioting and looting, and his associations at times with people unafraid to use violence, so there's really no point in invoking him now. And the majority of those who have such strong issues with these protests/riots, and claim to just want peaceful protest (while always super eager to invoke MLK), are the same ones who absolutely abhorred peaceful protest when Colin Kaepernick was spearheading it 4 years ago. And that is what led the situation to escalate to where it is today - that's as per the same MLK you wanted to invoke by me, not me. Maybe people should have listened in 2016 and let them know they were being heard, rather than shouting them down as they did.
Bonniedog wrote: » Why are BLM's heroes all of the same cloth? Criminals. Black civil rights movement had real heroes like Rosa Parks and MLK and the people who died fighting for their constitutional rights. Not burglars and junkies and muggers who make up the BLM pantheon. Indeed the contagion started in 60s when BLM and antifa antecedents laughed at King and the freedom riders as Uncle Toms and made heroes of scum like the Panthers and George Jackson.
1800_Ladladlad wrote: » Isaiah Martin a BLM activist claimed in a tweet, which went viral, that racist messages were left on his car. There are videos showing that he placed them there himself. He is refusing to cooperate w/police. Probably afraid for his life. Police are not pressing charges. Hast tag Black privilege. His tweets were to stir up hate under the guise of victimhood. As Dj Khalid would say; Another one.img The demand for racism exceeds the supply.
"The word "racism" is like ketchup. It can be put on practically anything — and demanding evidence makes you a "racist." - Thomas Sowell
Deleted User wrote: » Explain to me how saying privileged white man is any less presumptive and prejudiced than saying stupid black man when discussing people we have don't know. Especially as the term stupid can and is addressed to anyone, yet privilege is almost exclusively attributed to white people (especially men)
sid waddell wrote: » It's always very funny to see the same people who will perform Olympic standard mental gymnastics to deny white racism be so intent on mendaciously branding anything identified with "left" politics as "racist". Fake white victimhood is a bizarre, creepy cult.
mrkiscool2 wrote: » But when you consider that this doesn't happen to white people in the States then it is aboit race.
Carfacemandog wrote: » Because Floyd certainly is no hero of mine, but that doesn't mean he deserved to be killed for using a fake $20 bill. .
ELM327 wrote: » +1 Considering BLM is a racist and black supremacist movement supporting these thugs and looters, they are one and the same.
Cupatae wrote: » Well id be of the same opinion as you, to me it was a man murdered by a cop, race had nothing to do with it till BLM injected it into the situation..his crimes kinda do matter in the grand scheme of things and what led him to his interaction with the police in the first place but we could go back and forth on that alll day.
ELM327 wrote: » Never let the facts get in the way of a good old leftist anti-white rant
Bonniedog wrote: » Floyd was a lifelong violent criminal who held a gun against a pregnant black woman during a house invasion. He was out of his bin on meth and various opiods when he died. But he's probably one of your heroes?
