Aegir wrote: » I doubt you decided to switch from playing for Northern Ireland to the Republic and then took to twitter to mock your former team either.
Deleted User wrote: » No...but it deos celebrate soldiers who carried out bloody sunday,so comparison is valid imo
Hamsterchops wrote: » Nobody celebrates anything on poppy day.
Remembrance Sunday is held in the United Kingdom as a day "to commemorate the contribution of British and Commonwealth military and civilian servicemen and women in the two World Wars and later conflicts"
iebamm2580 wrote: » what choice does McClean have given he is being abused for being catholic and irish. He was born that way just like mcgoldrick was born black. If you actually watch soccer you can hear large sections of stadiums booing him, that does not happen many others.
partyguinness wrote: » Sorry but that is bollocks. He is not abused because he is Irish and Catholic. If that was the case then why are the other Catholic Irish players not abused? Answer: Because it does not happen. McLean gets singled out because he has taken a stand on a very particular issue. Not saying it is right but ultimately it was his choice. Nobody forces him to write crap on Twitter. I have lived in England for the past 10 years. I have been to countless football and rugby games in countless stadia all over the county. I have been to Wembley, Millennium Stadium to Twickenham and everything in between- Premier league to League 2. I would say that every game I have attended has had an Irish player involved and I have never heard abuse against Irish players. The abuse I hear and of which there is plenty it directed toward English internationals (over the years Ashley Cole, Ashely Young, John Terry, Frank Lampard, Wayne Rooney, Gerrard). I recall a gob****e hurling abuse at Wayne Rooney a few years back calling him ‘Pikey’ this and that. Guess what? This gob****e in his mid-50s had travelled over from Roscommon. Just my bad luck I was stuck next to him. He was the only one shouting any form of abuse.
Hamsterchops wrote: » Re the Easter lily, not sure that one's religion comes into it, as most people in Ireland don't wear it anyway, and most Irish folk claim to be Roman Catholics, many Catholics in England too! Regarding any comparison between the Swastika and the poppy, or the KKK and the poppy, well I think you're just being provocative or just a bit silly?
partyguinness wrote: » McLean gets personal abuse. Is it based on race colour or creed? Does it cross the line into discrimination?Show me where he suffers discrimination. He is English speaking white, straight and male. All things considered he is privileged. Black players get abuse because of the color of their skin- not their fault. McLean can choose to keep his mouth shut and his views to himself. He chooses not to- he gets a volley of abuse for it. McGolderick etc do not have that same luxury or choice.
Deleted User wrote: » Ok mate.....whatever you need to tell yourself
iebamm2580 wrote: » Why was Colin kapernick abused more than any other black nfl players because he stuck his head up just as McCLean has done. Obviously black people face much more discrimination but its just hypocrisy from the media to barely mention it and he does have a point that he receives little to no support on the issue. Regardless of what you think he gets more abuse than any other player in England.
partyguinness wrote: » I never said he does not get abuse. I have acknowledged it in every post and likewise I have set out the reasons why. To suggest that he gets abuse is because he is Irish and Catholic is just not true. He drew it on himself with his Poppy stance and yeah sure 'fans' will spew out all sorts of bile to put him off his game and yeah sure they will no doubt bring up his nationality and religion as a stick to beat him with but that is not what started it. There is a very simple solution: Shut the fcuk up and keep your political grievances to yourself. As I mention I live in England and I am as green as anyone but I don't go around mouthing off crap. I have had to stand silent during Remembrance Day silence at work- I would rather not but making a big old song and dance about it just makes me look like an idiot. If I am that offended then I have the choice to eff off back to Ireland.
UDAWINNER wrote: » he gets booed every time because he doesn't wear the poppy. i agree with his stance.
Mongfinder General wrote: » The abuse that black players get is because, for the most part, they are black. They did not chose to be black. They cannot escape the abuse. If some idiot decides to racially abuse them then there isn't much that they can do about it.
Mongfinder General wrote: » The abuse that black players get is because, for the most part, they are black. They did not chose to be black. They cannot escape the abuse. If some idiot decides to racially abuse them then there isn't much that they can do about it. McClean chose to object to wearing a poppy and made his political allegiance very clear. This is a choice. His choice. Thousands agree with him. Hundreds of thousands disagree with him and millions couldn't give a fcuk what he thinks. If I go on social media today and declare a liking for or an allegiance to a divisive and polarising body politic, then I had best be prepared for people telling me exactly what they think of me.
irishgrover wrote: » as others have said, I think the discrimination is different. Mclean is generally discriminated against because of his actions Black players are generally discriminated against because of their existence.
Francie Barrett wrote: » This is why politics should be taken out of sport entirely. The poppy is supposed to be a personal decision, but they way it's been structured by authorities, you basically have to wear one or else you're vilified for not doing so. The same thing has happened with BLM. There must be huge pressure on players to participate on these political stunts, a failure to do so would probably cost them their livelihood because the backlash from the keyboard warriors would be immense. George Carlin is dead right, this is the road to fascism. Certain opinions are getting censored, others are promoted. People are conforming out of fear.
partyguinness wrote: » Is he refused entry into shops? Is he regularly stopped by the police and frisked? Is he struggling to get a job due to racial profiling? Do people cross the road when they see him coming? Is he stopped by bouncers outside trendy nightclubs and bars and told "Not tonight"? The above are examples of discrimination. I have not heard McLean complaining about such obstacles in his life.
partyguinness wrote: » He is singled out for particular abuse/booing due to his Poppy stance. That is not discrimination.
iebamm2580 wrote: » Ok so are you saying he should wear a poppy?
partyguinness wrote: » No. Where did I suggest that? Don't wear a Poppy and leave it at that. Never explain and never apologise. McLean's going on about at the start only brought attention to himself. That was his mistake. He has just thrown a load of red meat at the mob. I work in a small office and I am the only one that does not wear a Poppy. Nobody takes any notice and it has never come up in conversation. My readymade reponse is: "Nothing to do with me. I didn't have any relations in the British Army." You see a lot of people over here had family and relations in the Britsh Army during WWI and WWII. My own wife had a great uncle blown up at the Somme, her grandfather spent time in Athens and Egypt during WWII. Irish people need to realise that the world does not revolve around Ireland.
Nermal wrote: » Look, you're just embarrassing yourself. Saying that he could keep his views to himself is just misdirection, and rather scummy misdirection at that. You have described him as 'English speaking white, straight and male... privileged'. You clearly don't believe it is actually possible for a person like that to suffer discrimination. Watching you grope your way to a definition of the word consistent with that belief is not edifying.
smurgen wrote: » If anything your logic makes it worse. Basically a black person cannot pretend to be anything but black. But a Catholic can blend in if they so choose. You're saying it's his fault he doesn't conform his beliefs to their's?
partyguinness wrote: » He is singled out for particular abuse/booing due to his Poppy stance. That is not discrimination. Is he refused entry into shops? Is he regularly stopped by the police and frisked? Is he struggling to get a job due to racial profiling? Do people cross the road when they see him coming? Is he stopped by bouncers outside trendy nightclubs and bars and told "Not tonight"? The above are examples of discrimination. I have not heard McLean complaining about such obstacles in his life.
smurgen wrote: » You need to realize your warped view of the world has no bearing on the experiences of people suffering discrimination and threats because of their beliefs.
partyguinness wrote: » It makes you look very small and one dimensional. It could only emanate from posters living on a small white monocultural island without a clue.
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