blueshark2 wrote: » Replacing a small proportion of the car parking spaces with new cycling infrastructure IS incentivising cycling. Ideally it would be done with no loss of parking but there's limited space and something has to give.
fergiesfolly wrote: » Another Galway Traffic thread that meanders down a side street... Salthill, no more than any other part of the city cannot be seen as a single issue, but as part of a bigger picture. Changing attitudes and structures throughout the city to affect the transportation of people throughout the city is the only way to succeed. A Park and Ride in conjunction with upgraded bus services, cycle lanes and inner city pedestrianisation will benefit everyone in the city and visitors coming here. But God only knows when the city leaders will recognise this.
CowboyTed wrote: » But cycle lanes are unused... Just look around the city and you see empty cycle lanes... More Cycle lanes does seem to mean more cyclists... Sorry we have built kms of cycle lanes in the last 20 years and we have barely increased participation by 2%(if that)... Definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result... So how about some ideas on increasing cycling...
CowboyTed wrote: » Lets see... I am all on for trials (4 weeks) with temporary Bus lanes to see if it works... The last P&R was unsuccessful because we are told there wasn't dedicated bus lanes... We have built kms of cycle lanes and participation hasn't had any significant improvement. "inner city pedestrianisation" - definitely worth a look at and could be broken up into Winter and Summer months. We should be trialing more of this...I am big on trialing stuff and learning before putting it in place if possible... Learn by trial and error... Loose the fear of making a mistake...
xckjoo wrote: » That's not very good engineering though. You want to do your research first, identify the optimal solution, throw that out and find what's as close to optimal as you can achieve and then implement it as best you possibly can. Tweaks are fine but if you don't instantly arrive at the outcome you want, you don't panic and throw it all away. 4 weeks is far too short an amount of time to trial anything. Why not a year or more? There's tonnes of research out there on this kind of thing. It would be lunacy to disregard it and start the trial-and-error process from the ground up.
Statement on Galway City Council proposal for Covid-19 Temporary/Pop-Up Cycle lane in Salthill In May 2020, a transport led City Mobility Team was set up in Galway City Council (GCCMT) for the purposes of considering and agreeing short/medium term temporary mobility interventions in the city. This was done in the context of the Government’s response to COVID-19 which resulted in changed travel patterns and a requirement for safe social distancing in public spaces. To facilitate this, local authorities were charged with reallocating some road space specifically for walking and cycling purposes. An extensive public engagement exercise was undertaken on-line from the outset by the GCCMT, which resulted in over 1400 submissions being received. There was over-whelming support for the provision of dedicated cycling infrastructure with over 200 submissions alone specifically requesting the installation of a temporary ‘pop-up’ cycle lane in Salthill. The GCCMT agreed that the delivery of this temporary facility would benefit a significant number of users so its progression was agreed as a priority in the Phase 1 Implementation Plan. An in-house team was established to design the temporary cycle lane in full consultation with the Gardai. A Safety Audit was completed and funding was committed by the National Transport Authority under their special Covid-19 Interim Mobility Measures Fund. The dedicated cycle lane was proposed on both sides of the road from the Grattan Road junction near the Galway Business School to Sea Point and onwards to Blackrock. Cycle specific traffic calming measures, signage and road markings were also proposed from Grattan Road to Wolfe Tone Bridge to give greater priority to cyclists sharing this road with vehicles. Following extensive engagement with businesses in the Salthill area, who were not in favour of the temporary cycle lane proposals as advanced, Galway City Council at a Council Meeting that took place on the 13th July, 2020, rejected these proposals. The Chief Executive has indicated that the City Council can still implement this cycle lane as designed if consensus can be achieved, subject to funding still being available in accordance with the provisions of the roads act. The Chief Executive also indicated that the 2016 Preliminary Report on the Proposed Barna Greenway can no longer be implemented as was proposed at that time. Work on a new design for this project will take place as part of the proposed flood defence scheme (CFRAM) for Salthill as well as a revised traffic management plan for the area including an upgraded public transport route. Due to the complexity of the several legislative processes involved in delivering these cross cutting infrastructural projects in an environmentally sensitive area, it will take several years to significantly advance progress the formal planning of these projects including the delivery of the proposed Greenway towards Barna which will also have to link to the proposed new Dublin to Galway Greenway as part of the cross city element of this.
CowboyTed wrote: » I am not anti cycling, I just don't see results... The travel plan in 2008 (I think) had cycling at 4.6% and a plan to have it at 20% by 2014. Today it is at about 5.5%... This is after a good increase in cycle lanes like Westside... So empty cycle lanes isn't because they are moving fast, r... Sorry. by the Galway has the highest outside Dublin. Taking lanes for bus lanes and bollards for streets, I don't think this takes much effort... My main issue is what is yielding the best results. Public Transport which had a target of 20% on that plan is actually at 8%. So also a failure but less so... These would not be considered successes in engineering sense either. While the car has some major problems it is still carrying 60% and you can clearly see it on Westside any evening... The major elephant in the room is the population density of Galway (1,400 per Kmsq), this is low, Galway has generally bad weather and hills... Find a town in the world that has that has the same characteristics and let's see there approach. We obviously need a bypass and the the city can breath... We have 4 times the cars on the road since the last bridge and we are talking about taking one out... People need to be able to cross the city without coming in to the center...
Deleted User wrote: » Statement from Galway County Council regarding the cycle lanes on the Prom .............
CowboyTed wrote: » "inner city pedestrianisation" - definitely worth a look at and could be broken up into Winter and Summer months. We should be trialing more of this...
jammiedodgers wrote: » So over-whelming support from the general public for a cycle lane but businesses kick up a fuss and it's scrapped. That sounds very democratic.
Jazmin Harsh Gold wrote: » I wouldn't say overwhelming support, only 1400 people declared an interest. You can be sure most people didn't even know it was happening and its vested interested that went looking for it and found it. Im sure you could find 10's of thousands against it quite easily.
Mrs OBumble wrote: » Quite apart from the noise pollution which follows pedestrianisation, in a post-covid world we do NOT need more places where large groups of pedestrians can gather. Cars have many faults, but they are great at enforcing social distancing.
Mrs OBumble wrote: » in a post-covid world we do NOT need more places where large groups of pedestrians can gather. Cars have many faults, but they are great at enforcing social distancing.
Geuze wrote: » Business pay rates. Rates income greatly exceeds LPT income.
serfboard wrote: » Fair enough. Let's send the cars back down Shop St, will we?
?Cee?view wrote: » Would that be such a bad thing? Back to one way down Shop Street with plenty of room for segregated bike lanes and footpaths. It would ease traffic around the Square, Francis Street and University Road considerably. Galway City Centre before pedestrianisation was a far nicer and characterful place than the mess it is now. Now it’s pretty much the same as any UK High Street; dominated by international multiples and phone shops.
xckjoo wrote: » Ah the good old days when there was ceile dances on every corner and we all wore Aran sweaters and Paddy caps.... Or is it the days when nobody had any money, we had to farm to eat, work the bog to heat the house and almost nobody owned a car you're pining for? If we went back to 80's levels of car ownership we would indeed solve the traffic problems.
?Cee?view wrote: » Galway City Centre before pedestrianisation was a far nicer and characterful place than the mess it is now. Now it’s pretty much the same as any UK High Street; dominated by international multiples and phone shops.
serfboard wrote: » And that wouldn't have happened if we had kept the cars going down it?
[Deleted User] wrote: » Meanwhile in Dun Laoghairehttps://twitter.com/dlrcc/status/1283084430584754178?s=19
?Cee?view wrote: » Possibly not in some cases. There were hardware shops, white good retailers, television and hifi shops. They closed up shortly afterwards.
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